Ok...
It is a great game....
Great Map...
Great System....
BUT....And this really baffles me....
Why is there no full Landing to Falaise scenario included.
I dont object to the price so much but considering the amount of flak Matrix have received over it this Full scenario SHOULD have been in there...I even saw a post or something official from matrix saying that they "expected" that a user somewhere out there would create one (quite a bizarre statement in my view)...I'm sorry guys but this scenario SHOULD have been a given for the price you charged for this....
Sorry ... but I feel I'm playing half a game with the scenarios included.
Is there somelimitaion on the game system that prevented this ?
Great game but very disapointed with matrix
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RE: Great game but very disapointed with matrix
The gaming r5 community has made over a dozen add ons for the predisecor to BIN, available free of charge. I expect the "full" battle is high on the list of user made scens, along with many more....
fyi Matrix is the publisher, SSG is the designer and the game came from these folks /
as well as Bin user made you will see a lot of the Korson scenarios, including the user ones "ported" to Go BIN.. hope that helps...
fyi Matrix is the publisher, SSG is the designer and the game came from these folks /
as well as Bin user made you will see a lot of the Korson scenarios, including the user ones "ported" to Go BIN.. hope that helps...
"Tanks forward"
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e_barkmann
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RE: Great game but very disapointed with matrix
note that the name of the game is Battles in Normandy
not
what if's in Normandy
[:)]
not
what if's in Normandy
[:)]
RE: Great game but very disapointed with matrix
ORIGINAL: DBeves
Ok...
It is a great game....
Great Map...
Great System....
BUT....And this really baffles me....
Why is there no full Landing to Falaise scenario included.
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Sorry ... but I feel I'm playing half a game with the scenarios included.
Is there somelimitaion on the game system that prevented this ?
DBeves,
That type of mega-monster campaign was never advertised to the best of my knowledge. The following is from the SSG website:
"Two monster campaign scenarios, D-Day to Cobra and Cobra to Failaise plus eight smaller scenarios will cover every important aspect of this critical campaign."
In terms of scenario size the two campaigns are about as big as most people will want to play. I have yet to finish a PBEM game that's over 32 turns. The original TAO monster campaign at 64 turns was simply too long. Games were always decided by turn 32. Same has held true when playing 48 turn KP monster campaign.
As Freeboy noted above having the Mega-monster campaign done by Run5 is a very reasonable discussion. Rob and Scott make battles that are of the highest quality; a number of other players are making great scenarios too. I would take a crack at this but already have 4 battles and two scenarios underway. Next up for me is Market Garden.
JSS
RE: Great game but very disapointed with matrix
Yes I am well aware of the fact that the full campaign was not advertised - I still bought it (probably in the hope that the were joking).
I am also well aware of the Run5 community and have played a couple of the excellent scenarios - and I certainly hope that the full one is high on the list as thats the one I want and hoped would be in this game.
I am also aware of the fact that Matrix is a publisher of this game not developer - does that mean they are doing this for nothing then ? and did not take a part of my money so its not legitimate for me to complain about this to them.
As far as the statement that SSG concluded that the included scenarios are about as big as anyone wants to play goes then I simply don't agree. Why then contradict yourself by saying that the Run5 Community will provide one ? If know one wants to play this why would they do it. Personally I don't consider a 70 turn game anything like a "monster" as you put it. (try the 750 turn HPS D-Day full scenario).
What disapoints me is that for the money I would have expected a full history scenario - not have to hope a user community provides me with one.
Seems to me SSG had all the info there just that they couldn't be bothered to include the full one by way of a sense of completeness and for a £50 game by way of a sense of value for money to their customers.
And I say again I would beg to differ that a 72 turn full campaign scenario is NOT something people would have wanted.
I am also well aware of the Run5 community and have played a couple of the excellent scenarios - and I certainly hope that the full one is high on the list as thats the one I want and hoped would be in this game.
I am also aware of the fact that Matrix is a publisher of this game not developer - does that mean they are doing this for nothing then ? and did not take a part of my money so its not legitimate for me to complain about this to them.
As far as the statement that SSG concluded that the included scenarios are about as big as anyone wants to play goes then I simply don't agree. Why then contradict yourself by saying that the Run5 Community will provide one ? If know one wants to play this why would they do it. Personally I don't consider a 70 turn game anything like a "monster" as you put it. (try the 750 turn HPS D-Day full scenario).
What disapoints me is that for the money I would have expected a full history scenario - not have to hope a user community provides me with one.
Seems to me SSG had all the info there just that they couldn't be bothered to include the full one by way of a sense of completeness and for a £50 game by way of a sense of value for money to their customers.
And I say again I would beg to differ that a 72 turn full campaign scenario is NOT something people would have wanted.
RE: Great game but very disapointed with matrix
I thought the game cost £39?
Thats the price of a fair few games Ive seen out and about.
Thats the price of a fair few games Ive seen out and about.
RE: Great game but very disapointed with matrix
Not piling on here, but I also hope for a complete single campaign from D day to and including Falaise and as one of the many who just play the AI and hardly consider a 32 turn/ day compaign long.
Oh, and when you add in the cost in ink cartriges/paper of printing out the 110 page manual - tutorial your looking at $100+ for the Game.
Oh, and when you add in the cost in ink cartriges/paper of printing out the 110 page manual - tutorial your looking at $100+ for the Game.
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PresbyterJohn
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RE: Great game but very disapointed with matrix
ORIGINAL: Black Cat
Not piling on here, but I also hope for a complete single campaign from D day to and including Falaise and as one of the many who just play the AI and hardly consider a 32 turn/ day compaign long.
Oh, and when you add in the cost in ink cartriges/paper of printing out the 110 page manual - tutorial your looking at $100+ for the Game.
Whoever is doing your printing must love you. I have a vision of Chico Marx in his shop totting up the price for the 57 colour pages and you leaving without a shirt.
RE: Great game but very disapointed with matrix
ORIGINAL: Prester John
ORIGINAL: Black Cat
Not piling on here, but I also hope for a complete single campaign from D day to and including Falaise and as one of the many who just play the AI and hardly consider a 32 turn/ day compaign long.
Oh, and when you add in the cost in ink cartriges/paper of printing out the 110 page manual - tutorial your looking at $100+ for the Game.
Whoever is doing your printing must love you. I have a vision of Chico Marx in his shop totting up the price for the 57 colour pages and you leaving without a shirt.
Yes , I do love myself since that`s who printed it, BTW the manual and tutorial come to 116 color pages.
I have a vision of you failing 3rd. grade math.
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RobertRasmussen
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RE: Great game but very disapointed with matrix
It seems strange to me too that SSG didn't include a full campaign. I suppose they have their reasons and I'm kind of curious to hear them.
I can't see why a 70 turn game would be too long. At least not for us playing against the AI or against ourselves. And if PBEM players preferred shorter games they could pick the 32 turns sceanrios. I suppose the problem could be play balance. Or perhaps the full campaign will be released as an add-on kinda like Across the Dnepr [:)]
Robert
I can't see why a 70 turn game would be too long. At least not for us playing against the AI or against ourselves. And if PBEM players preferred shorter games they could pick the 32 turns sceanrios. I suppose the problem could be play balance. Or perhaps the full campaign will be released as an add-on kinda like Across the Dnepr [:)]
Robert
RE: Great game but very disapointed with matrix
Alrighty......knock off the personal shots. Got it?
The infantry doesn't change. We're the only arm of the military where the weapon is the man himself.
C. T. Shortis
C. T. Shortis
RE: Great game but very disapointed with matrix
Yes well - I certainly hope they don't make it like ATD - although that one was worth it - if they charge me another 14 quid for a scenario that should have been in the original game that really would be taking the P***.
I connection to my original post ... Does anyone know if someone IS working in a full campaign scenario and when its likely to appear ?
I connection to my original post ... Does anyone know if someone IS working in a full campaign scenario and when its likely to appear ?
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RE: Great game but very disapointed with matrix
ORIGINAL: DBeves
Yes well - I certainly hope they don't make it like ATD - although that one was worth it - if they charge me another 14 quid for a scenario that should have been in the original game that really would be taking the P***.
Why should the ATD addon been part of Korsun Pocket? KP is about the battle of the Cherkassy couldron 1944. Not the german advance towards Moscow in 1941.
RE: Great game but very disapointed with matrix
I think that the game is great as delivered. Personally I get put off by the Extra Large scenario's, so the selection is OK for me. I also know that Run 5 will contribute some very good scenario's to the cause.
I originally was put off by the price and was going to pass on this, even though I liked KP quite a bit. But I caught the fever and couldn't help myself. I even spent three hours downloading the wrong program (thanks Digital River).
The scenario's available were listed, so people were not buying a pig in a poke. There were plenty of AAR's, so there was a lot of feedback and questions answered before the release.
But everyone is different. That's why they make Ford's and Chevy's.
I originally was put off by the price and was going to pass on this, even though I liked KP quite a bit. But I caught the fever and couldn't help myself. I even spent three hours downloading the wrong program (thanks Digital River).
The scenario's available were listed, so people were not buying a pig in a poke. There were plenty of AAR's, so there was a lot of feedback and questions answered before the release.
But everyone is different. That's why they make Ford's and Chevy's.
Tony
RE: Great game but very disapointed with matrix
Somewhere on the Run5 site was the simple explanation--it takes a very long time to try to even remotely play balance something with that many turns. I guess they could throw together the OOB and the historical weather and say go to it, but would you complain if it was drastically unbalanced one way or the other?
Playing a game for that long to try and see how many VPs you need, WHAT the VPs should be for the cities AND the units becomes a monumental task. Would it be neat to have? Sure. But I'd also like it to be a GAME, and that means it should be reasonably fair.
Would you have wanted to wait another couple of months [:@] to get this with the purchase of the game? Especially when it's likely to be done by someone for free? [:D]
Playing a game for that long to try and see how many VPs you need, WHAT the VPs should be for the cities AND the units becomes a monumental task. Would it be neat to have? Sure. But I'd also like it to be a GAME, and that means it should be reasonably fair.
Would you have wanted to wait another couple of months [:@] to get this with the purchase of the game? Especially when it's likely to be done by someone for free? [:D]
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Hartford688
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RE: Great game but very disapointed with matrix
ORIGINAL: DBeves
Yes I am well aware of the fact that the full campaign was not advertised - I still bought it
RE: Great game but very disapointed with matrix
Dbeves
I know both Rob, run 5 and myself have expressed interest in this, it is high on the list but to do this correctly takes time, give it till end of OPctober for a beta to get rteleased.. and remember all these extra are free, I geuss I just do not get the reasonning for the "big deal"
this is a great engine, and many many user scens will be created !!!!
among the "hjot topic" lists are a market garden varient, my own flavor of the Rommel attacks scenario, Husky and Anzio, although it looks as if these may be an add on from the end game advrt splash, Kursk is in Beta.. thanks manny, I expect wolf alsoi to " Go BIN"
On the distant horizon expecting to see a multiday, BIN turns are one day, france '40 and '44, using divs and corps. KArkov, Stalengrad... so why complain about the fact that SSG spent there time on play balence rather than more neat stuff? it already has lots, with more to come...
I do realize you are expressing a valid desire to see the longer "campiegn, but please be patient and you will be rewarded [:D]
I know both Rob, run 5 and myself have expressed interest in this, it is high on the list but to do this correctly takes time, give it till end of OPctober for a beta to get rteleased.. and remember all these extra are free, I geuss I just do not get the reasonning for the "big deal"
this is a great engine, and many many user scens will be created !!!!
among the "hjot topic" lists are a market garden varient, my own flavor of the Rommel attacks scenario, Husky and Anzio, although it looks as if these may be an add on from the end game advrt splash, Kursk is in Beta.. thanks manny, I expect wolf alsoi to " Go BIN"
On the distant horizon expecting to see a multiday, BIN turns are one day, france '40 and '44, using divs and corps. KArkov, Stalengrad... so why complain about the fact that SSG spent there time on play balence rather than more neat stuff? it already has lots, with more to come...
I do realize you are expressing a valid desire to see the longer "campiegn, but please be patient and you will be rewarded [:D]
"Tanks forward"
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jungelsj_slith
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RE: Great game but very disapointed with matrix
ORIGINAL: freeboy
The gaming r5 community has made over a dozen add ons for the predisecor to BIN, available free of charge. I expect the "full" battle is high on the list of user made scens, along with many more....
fyi Matrix is the publisher, SSG is the designer and the game came from these folks /
as well as Bin user made you will see a lot of the Korson scenarios, including the user ones "ported" to Go BIN.. hope that helps...
Somehow I think you missed his point
RE: Great game but very disapointed with matrix
his point is he is dissappointed no full campeign, my responses are simply wait, it will come shortly
I am not speakingfor SSG but they could have released this sooner, but thankfully spent the summer adjusting the ia and play balance.. time not spent doing this larger scenario,
Wouldn't you rather have a game like this that is so awesome, really? than a lesser great game with this one scenario that will be made by the user community anyway? Some of the best pre BIN scens are argueably those made by the R5 community, these folks, thanks Rob and all, kept the origonal game alive tao and helpsed us enjoy the Ardennes for years for free!!!
I am not speakingfor SSG but they could have released this sooner, but thankfully spent the summer adjusting the ia and play balance.. time not spent doing this larger scenario,
Wouldn't you rather have a game like this that is so awesome, really? than a lesser great game with this one scenario that will be made by the user community anyway? Some of the best pre BIN scens are argueably those made by the R5 community, these folks, thanks Rob and all, kept the origonal game alive tao and helpsed us enjoy the Ardennes for years for free!!!
"Tanks forward"
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jungelsj_slith
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RE: Great game but very disapointed with matrix
ORIGINAL: freeboy
his point is he is dissappointed no full campeign, my responses are simply wait, it will come shortly
I am not speakingfor SSG but they could have released this sooner, but thankfully spent the summer adjusting the ia and play balance.. time not spent doing this larger scenario,
Wouldn't you rather have a game like this that is so awesome, really? than a lesser great game with this one scenario that will be made by the user community anyway? Some of the best pre BIN scens are argueably those made by the R5 community, these folks, thanks Rob and all, kept the origonal game alive tao and helpsed us enjoy the Ardennes for years for free!!!
I think part of his dissapointment is that SSG/Matrix is perceived to have expected the community to "finish" their game for them.