Reduced Ammo vs. Limited Ammo

richmonder · Post by **richmonder** » Sat Jan 12, 2002 6:58 am

I've noticed that on both the first two MC's, the recommendation is to use Limited Ammo. I am curious as to why?

I like using Reduced Ammo and thought that was what most people used who were going for the 'gritty realism' thing. Is there a problem with Reduced Ammo?

In a related vein, I am playing the STALINGRAD campaign and am in the first battle. I notice one of my AUX StuGs has 91 rounds of AP!!! Also, the AUX Pz-IVf2's all have 75 rounds of AP each. What gives? Then there are my measly core panzers with, like, 15-20 rounds with the Reduced Ammo setting...

BryanMelvin · Post by **BryanMelvin** » Sat Jan 12, 2002 9:39 am

Originally posted by richmonder:
I've noticed that on both the first two MC's, the recommendation is to use Limited Ammo. I am curious as to why?

I like using Reduced Ammo and thought that was what most people used who were going for the 'gritty realism' thing. Is there a problem with Reduced Ammo?

In a related vein, I am playing the STALINGRAD campaign and am in the first battle. I notice one of my AUX StuGs has 91 rounds of AP!!! Also, the AUX Pz-IVf2's all have 75 rounds of AP each. What gives? Then there are my measly core panzers with, like, 15-20 rounds with the Reduced Ammo setting...

There is no problem with reduced ammo except that you run out so fast! As for Stalingrad Campaign, what you see is a design technique to help the game system out. I set several ammo loads high so that if a Player chose Reduced Ammo On - He/She would have enough ammo to complete a mission with a few units while the rest runs out. Also, these help take on USSR Tanks! Several Times I had to up APCR rounds and HE rounds to help the player take out USSR strong points to be encountered in the game. The trick is balance when designing these things and using the Game system to do the balancing takes playing around with ammo loads etc..

I hope to have an update to Stalingrad Campaign in the near future. This Uopdate would add several new battles as well as improve game play.

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Alby · Post by **Alby** » Sat Jan 12, 2002 10:14 am

Reduced Ammo also does not work in online games in case you play any of those.
its either limited on or limited off.

richmonder · Post by **richmonder** » Sat Jan 12, 2002 5:54 pm

ALBY: Thanks, I didn't know that.

MARAUDER: Well, I understand your point. Did you consider a few ammo trucks instead? I like to use them because it causes my forces to have to cycle from the front lines to the rear or to wait for final deployment while they stock up, and you can only afford to have but so many units out of action temporarily. Others might not like this, but I think it's cool. I especially like using Reduced Ammo as the Germans because they didn't have the USA's capacity on ammo - it's a good realistic game option.

By the way, really looking forward to your expanded update!

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Charles2222 · Post by **Charles2222** » Sat Jan 12, 2002 8:06 pm

Just as a sidenote for those who do not know, the core force WILL NOT be limited in regular campaigns, from the 2nd battle onwards. The setting that gives your ammo between 50%-100% rate instead will ALWAYS give them 100% (it was this way in V6.1 anyway, and I have no reason to believe it's been corrected in the latest version.

BryanMelvin · Post by **BryanMelvin** » Sat Jan 12, 2002 9:15 pm

Originally posted by richmonder:
ALBY: Thanks, I didn't know that.

MARAUDER: Well, I understand your point. Did you consider a few ammo trucks instead? I like to use them because it causes my forces to have to cycle from the front lines to the rear or to wait for final deployment while they stock up, and you can only afford to have but so many units out of action temporarily. Others might not like this, but I think it's cool. I especially like using Reduced Ammo as the Germans because they didn't have the USA's capacity on ammo - it's a good realistic game option.

By the way, really looking forward to your expanded update!

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BryanMelvin · Post by **BryanMelvin** » Sat Jan 12, 2002 9:19 pm

Sorry Hit the send button before I could respond.

Concerning the Ammo Trucks, I left that up to Core Unit Purchase for players to decide. In Campaigns, I try to have atleast one Ammo Truck in core for any Mortars and Artillery units. In the Stalingrad Update, I may add a few ammo trucks.

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Frank W. · Post by **Frank W.** » Sun Jan 13, 2002 12:16 am

Originally posted by BryanMelvin:
Sorry Hit the send button before I could respond.

Concerning the Ammo Trucks, I left that up to Core Unit Purchase for players to decide. In Campaigns, I try to have atleast one Ammo Truck in core for any Mortars and Artillery units. In the Stalingrad Update, I may add a few ammo trucks.

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hey bryan.

nice to hear that you plan a stalingrad update.
can you give more info on this point?

as i plan to play this camp. after finishing
the "long road..",can you say how long would it
take till you have the update available??

thanx

frank

richmonder · Post by **richmonder** » Sun Jan 13, 2002 2:23 am

Sir Charles,

Are you saying that when playing a designed campaign, that the Reduced Ammo selection works in the first scenario, but defaults to Limited Ammo in the following scenarios?

panda124c · Post by **panda124c** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 11:01 pm

Originally posted by Alby:
Reduced Ammo also does not work in online games in case you play any of those.
its either limited on or limited off.

The same is true for WWII Campain games except for the first game a new unit is purchased.

Rover · Post by **Rover** » Wed Jan 16, 2002 3:52 am

I've also seen both the issues around first round limited ammo but after that full loads. Don't know how hard it would be to fix with resources clearly focusing newer games and all but this would be really cool to resolve.

Rover · Post by **Rover** » Wed Jan 16, 2002 3:54 am

sorry... when I said limited ammo I meant reduced ammo in the previous post...

Charles2222 · Post by **Charles2222** » Wed Jan 16, 2002 7:00 pm

richmonder: Sorry, I don't remember what the specific terms 'limited' and 'reduced' mean anymore. What I describe is the setting that will put a unit between 50-100% of their ammo capacity for weapons, at the start of each battle. The problem is, the WWII campaign doesn't function with that setting past the first battle. I would suspect the MCs are just as broke.

I know there's a setting where every unit starts off with full capacity and stays there throughout the battle. There's also another that starts out full at the beginning of every battle and the ammo gets used during the battle. There's also one that's supposed to start off every battle with 50-100% ammo load and get depleted as it's used, and that's the setting I'm talking about. Perhaps that is what is called the reduced setting?

richmonder · Post by **richmonder** » Thu Jan 17, 2002 3:09 am

You are correct, sir - arrgh! It is Reduced Ammo (50-100%)

BryanMelvin · Post by **BryanMelvin** » Thu Jan 17, 2002 6:35 am

Originally posted by Frank W.:

hey bryan.

nice to hear that you plan a stalingrad update.
can you give more info on this point?

as i plan to play this camp. after finishing
the "long road..",can you say how long would it
take till you have the update available??

thanx

frank

Should be a month or two -

richmonder · Post by **richmonder** » Sun Jan 20, 2002 6:41 pm

Would advise to wait for upgrading until v7.1 patch has come out. Alot of units have been replaced with others - I just noticed this yesterday while playing with my beta and playing the first scenario.