Consensus On a Stalingrad Mega Campaign

BryanMelvin · Post by **BryanMelvin** » Sat Jan 26, 2002 9:40 pm

This is just a poll to see if there support for a Stalingrad Mega Campaign out there and if so would you like to see one?

Remember this is just an idea and not set in stone <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

bobaloo000 · Post by **bobaloo000** » Sat Jan 26, 2002 10:57 pm

From which side? From Soviets, yes. Germans I'm not so sure.

asgrrr · Post by **asgrrr** » Sat Jan 26, 2002 11:31 pm

Soviet yes, german no.

Scharfschütze · Post by **Scharfschütze** » Sun Jan 27, 2002 12:09 am

I always considered Stalingrad the Mother of all Battles.

I´d also like to see it from the soviet perspective. Defeat, desperation, sacrifice ... and finally triumph.

Go for it!

RolandRahn_MatrixForum · Sun Jan 27, 2002 12:54 am

Also I hate to be the troublemaker....
I'm against another eastern front MC for SPWAW.
The first CL Module will cover the eastern front.
Will there be Mega Campaigns for CL?
If so, the first MC for CL would have to cover the eastern front.
That would be the right place for a Stalingrad MC.

In other words:
Imagine that one day, you receive a parcel from Matrixgames including two CDs:
One with a SPWAW-MC: Stalinggrad and one with CL:eastern front.
Wouldn't that be a little frustrating?

Kind regards,
Roland

Alexandra · Post by **Alexandra** » Sun Jan 27, 2002 1:32 am

I don't think S-Grad would make a good MC. Here's why:

If you make it from the German side, in the end, you'll lose. Kinda depressing, huh <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

If you make if from the Soviet side, though, how do you code the early battles - where the Russians lost? After all, they were driven a long, long, way back before winning. But, can the engine support the history? I don't think so.

I think Kursk would make a better MC from the Sov PoV, and, for the Germans, Operation Mars would be way cool.

Alex

Viriato · Post by **Viriato** » Sun Jan 27, 2002 3:51 am

hello all ...
mc-Stalingrad ...yes , german side .

MC - crete ????? wouldn't it be cool ??? <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

RockinHarry · Post by **RockinHarry** » Sun Jan 27, 2002 9:00 pm

I also would say that it´s a better idea to support non-german played mega cams for the next time!

I would love to see Bryans updated V7.1 Stalingrad campaign though! <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

__________
Harry

ruxius · Post by **ruxius** » Sun Jan 27, 2002 9:24 pm

I think that Stalingrad should be MUST especially if you think you started a path with LV . Stalingrad could be the natural sequel to players who completed LV
I recommend to design it from a German side
I better explain why later...

This new Megacd should cover the battles starting from where LV ends and going on ahead till Kursk.
Stop at this point now there should be place for a third Megacampaign this time played from a Soviet side : the counterattack !

I would remember that now Megacamp are opened to two human players..the forum is a good place where to find good opponents !

This new feature of the MEGACamps would perfectly reflect the active role of the player..

German side where germans had the initiative (that is untill Kursk )

and Soviet side from that point back to the Battle of Berlin..

That best fits with the dual role (active/passive ) role of the megacamps !

RolandRahn posted a good point though...
If ever CL works with Eastern Front only as a question of context and no long campaign is provided there I vote for the natural sequels of the LV campaigns

but if a long campaign will be designed in CL then it's obvious that another Megacampaign there seem to look like an opportunity we lost to see new theatres

Bye

Gen.Hoepner · Post by **Gen.Hoepner** » Sun Jan 27, 2002 9:29 pm

I agree with Alexandra:Kursk would be defenetly better:tons of different kind of operations,tons of tank battles,bunkers,arty and air support.......in a word:cool!!!
but what about something like a 11th army Crimea MC in 41/42?would be cool to siege Sevastopol with its Bunkers complexs...but few tanks for Mainstein.....And Charkov in 43?not that bad.......but probably something not german would be more fair,considering that there are already 2 MC on germman side's view.I think an Italian Campaign 43/44 from the allied side would be the best.Montecassino,Salerno,Anzio,the Gotic line,etc etc......

scimitar · Post by **scimitar** » Sun Jan 27, 2002 10:34 pm

Originally posted by RolandRahn:
Also I hate to be the troublemaker....
I'm against another eastern front MC for SPWAW.
The first CL Module will cover the eastern front.
Will there be Mega Campaigns for CL?
If so, the first MC for CL would have to cover the eastern front.
That would be the right place for a Stalingrad MC.

In other words:
Imagine that one day, you receive a parcel from Matrixgames including two CDs:
One with a SPWAW-MC: Stalinggrad and one with CL:eastern front.
Wouldn't that be a little frustrating?

Kind regards,
Roland

I agree with you, Roland. You clearly exprimed my point of view. I think the next megacampaign for SPWAW would be a France 1944 campaign (or larger: from D-Day to Berlin...)

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Sun Jan 27, 2002 10:55 pm

I have no trouble with a "Stalingrad" offering either side. Although it might be a bit rough getting armour in there. But Stalingrad is the biggie of down and dirty street scraps (even if there were other nasty city fights).

Kursk, well that is definitely an armour intensive environment to be sure.

Sadly both of the above are Eastern Front. But I dont call that a negative.

Some great battles that are out there might be:

Battle of the Bulge should please the American player fans.

Us Canucks would like to see Ortona perhaps, not sure if it can be modelled on the same scope though. Cassino has multi nationality promise also.

Market Garden pleases the American Player and the British player in one go and a very nice way to master airdrops.

Cant comment on the Desert as I dont know much of Desert Fox. Hopefully Alamein, Tobruk, Kasserine all get modelled well eventually.

Not sure how the Pacific might be expanded. Bataan, Tarawa, New Guinea, Okinawa are all fairly unique to each other in style I think (although the Pacific gives me the willies).

Sure all of my notions are cliche', but like I tell all my friends, "a cliche' is a cliche' for a reason eh".
I havent yet played a Mega Campaign, (its still in the mail for me), so all of this is just off the top of my head eh.

Frank W. · Post by **Frank W.** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 1:24 am

i want the ardennes!

Phil Buster · Post by **Phil Buster** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 1:24 am

I agree with Stalingrad campaign, either side, but I also consider, as Alexandra says, that a Kursk one would be the most. Either side too, maybe the soviets deserve to have one megacampaign and it could be interesting to command then in Kursk. Apart from there I would like to see an italian campaign MC. Either side too.

Jackk · Post by **Jackk** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 2:33 am

Originally posted by BryanMelvin:
This is just a poll to see if there support for a Stalingrad Mega Campaign out there and if so would you like to see one?

Remember this is just an idea and not set in stone <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

Naw, I have LV and am looking towards some WF action in the next MC.

Supervisor · Post by **Supervisor** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 3:11 am

My vote is for Stalingrad also, unless someone wants to tackle Operation Sealion. I know somebody out there is in progress of making a campaign for it.

swamp fox · Post by **swamp fox** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 7:38 am

I think a lot depends on how many MCs Matrix is planning. If we only have one more East Front MC, I think it should be Kursk from the Soviet side. If there are going to be several, by all means do Stalingrad, either side is fine.

scimitar · Post by **scimitar** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 11:25 am

Originally posted by gmenfan:
My vote is for Stalingrad also, unless someone wants to tackle Operation Sealion. I know somebody out there is in progress of making a campaign for it.

Could you say us just a little bit more?

ZoomBoy27 · Post by **ZoomBoy27** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 11:26 am

One MC on the Western Front would have to be the liberation of Holland by Canada(1st Canadian Army)
The clearing of the Scheldt.
Race for the Dike controls
Steady advances
Terrain of marsh, dykes, and high points
Funnies
Polish and Candian forces
City Fighting

ZoomBoy

voyrep · Post by **voyrep** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 2:42 pm

Stalingrad was a meatgrinder
I don´t think it sounds very exciting to have
a megacampaign take place in Stalingrad
-You have your command almost wiped out to take a block of ruins and a few days later when you have received replacments you make an effort to take another block etc etc
No room to maneuver cause if do maneuver you run into the friendly troops on your flanks and that is a big nono in urban combat: there would LOTS of friendly fire
Unable to maneuver you throw your troops straight into the meatgrinder.
Where´s the fun in that?

Mobile campaigns is the way to go

Voyrep