Sorry guys.
First, stalingrad is a very small thing for a whole megacampaign, may be something like leningrad would be better suited.
Second : trying to have matrix doing a mega camp on the eastern front when they are on the process of creating a brand new game, successor of SPWAW who'll be dealing first hand with that part of the war....
That seems to me a bit of wishful thinking.
Just ask for italy or france, even if I am not overconfident to see another megacamp for SPWAW (sigh).
Oh well, we'll just try to ask nicely Master Bill.
Consensus On a Stalingrad Mega Campaign
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Fundementally speaking.......
Just how many Mega Campaigns period end of story should we expect?
Considering all the fuss flack and division over this that or the other version. That coupled with Matrix fully expecting to release Combat Leader some day (which will essentially be doing all this Mega Campaign stuff aaaaaaaall over again).
Is there any wisdom expecting any Mega Campaigns post release of Combat Leader at all?
Me I want to see more more more (like everyone else). I want to see CL too I guess. And if I get CL; if its better; whats the point of pursuing SPWaW beyond fondness for an old game thats had its day (I dont play basic Squad Leader, nor pursue any materials devoted to it for a reason after all).
Hard questions I guess. If the community and Matrix refuses to let it go (SPWaW), I guess we will see more MC get released. But each effort not in pursuit of CL will just take from its potential as a respectable successor.
Glad I wont be making the choices I guess. I would liklely buy more Mega Campaigns with or without CL if they are worthy. But money doesnt fall out of the sky like rain.
Where would our duty to Matrix be? To buy generously of Mega campaigns and expend are potential to purchase CL?
Just how many Mega Campaigns period end of story should we expect?
Considering all the fuss flack and division over this that or the other version. That coupled with Matrix fully expecting to release Combat Leader some day (which will essentially be doing all this Mega Campaign stuff aaaaaaaall over again).
Is there any wisdom expecting any Mega Campaigns post release of Combat Leader at all?
Me I want to see more more more (like everyone else). I want to see CL too I guess. And if I get CL; if its better; whats the point of pursuing SPWaW beyond fondness for an old game thats had its day (I dont play basic Squad Leader, nor pursue any materials devoted to it for a reason after all).
Hard questions I guess. If the community and Matrix refuses to let it go (SPWaW), I guess we will see more MC get released. But each effort not in pursuit of CL will just take from its potential as a respectable successor.
Glad I wont be making the choices I guess. I would liklely buy more Mega Campaigns with or without CL if they are worthy. But money doesnt fall out of the sky like rain.
Where would our duty to Matrix be? To buy generously of Mega campaigns and expend are potential to purchase CL?
I LIKE that my life bothers them,
Why should I be the only one bothered by it eh.
Why should I be the only one bothered by it eh.
Food for thought:
If German side, why not do 13th Panzer Division? Meaning the Don Basin to the Manych River to the Caucausus (mountainizer op) then the long retreat back barely making it through Rostov or maybe defending against Russian amphib landings in the Kuban...
If Russian side, the Drive to the Dnieper post-Zitadelle would be awesome - starting Aug 3rd near Kharkov - can you liberate Kiev despite Manstein's best efforts?
By the way, we have about 18 battles in a campaign game format starting in July 1942 and going through December 1942 outside of Rostov - over half are built and tested and the rest are in various states of design or test - they are designed for a Russian multi-company core and re-use many of the Stalingrad maps...these are part of 35+ battle campaign game that started last year and is headed towards releasing 8 battles at a time every couple of months with a goal of 24 battles by June 22. We welcome help to get this completed. The first four battles are available as a beta product now.
If German side, why not do 13th Panzer Division? Meaning the Don Basin to the Manych River to the Caucausus (mountainizer op) then the long retreat back barely making it through Rostov or maybe defending against Russian amphib landings in the Kuban...
If Russian side, the Drive to the Dnieper post-Zitadelle would be awesome - starting Aug 3rd near Kharkov - can you liberate Kiev despite Manstein's best efforts?
By the way, we have about 18 battles in a campaign game format starting in July 1942 and going through December 1942 outside of Rostov - over half are built and tested and the rest are in various states of design or test - they are designed for a Russian multi-company core and re-use many of the Stalingrad maps...these are part of 35+ battle campaign game that started last year and is headed towards releasing 8 battles at a time every couple of months with a goal of 24 battles by June 22. We welcome help to get this completed. The first four battles are available as a beta product now.
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agreed!!!Originally posted by voyrep:
Stalingrad was a meatgrinder
I don´t think it sounds very exciting to have
a megacampaign take place in Stalingrad
-You have your command almost wiped out to take a block of ruins and a few days later when you have received replacments you make an effort to take another block etc etc
No room to maneuver cause if do maneuver you run into the friendly troops on your flanks and that is a big nono in urban combat: there would LOTS of friendly fire
Unable to maneuver you throw your troops straight into the meatgrinder.
Where´s the fun in that?
Mobile campaigns is the way to go
Voyrep
stalingrad was a crime - the ****in´idea of 2 madmen.
Very interested in another MC. Not interested in Stalingrad. Tired of playing the German side.
Would like to see someone new, preferably with Finns, UK, or Canadians. Megacampaign Winter War?
Or, if it had to be from a German perspective, do a 1939-40 theme. Race around through Poland, Belgium, France, etc. Drop in on the Danes for brunch and the Norwegians for lunch. The variety and early war weapons might make that very fun. Call it MegaCampaign Blitzkrieg - Europe in Flames.
Would like to see someone new, preferably with Finns, UK, or Canadians. Megacampaign Winter War?
Or, if it had to be from a German perspective, do a 1939-40 theme. Race around through Poland, Belgium, France, etc. Drop in on the Danes for brunch and the Norwegians for lunch. The variety and early war weapons might make that very fun. Call it MegaCampaign Blitzkrieg - Europe in Flames.
Squatting in the bush and marking it on a map.
Personally, I would love to see more megacampaigns. It this is a way to keep SPWAW vital for a bit longer, I am all for pretty much any megacampaign that comes (provided of course that they keep the same high standard or variety, challenge, etc.)
However, as others have said, the German side on the Eastern front I think has been covered fairly well already, though I wouldn't rule it out in the future.
I would really like to see an Ardennes MC from the American side, say from the perspective of a small unit in the US 2nd Division, or 7th, 9th, maybe even 4th Armored Division. There are a huge number of possibilities here.
There are other good theaters and perspectives to be seen in potential MCs that I think could be interesting: 1939 USSR vs Japan in Manchuria, Japan in China (also early war), the Chindits in Burma, USSR in Berlin or in Operation Bagration, perhaps even a fictional campaign.
Thoughts?
Matt
However, as others have said, the German side on the Eastern front I think has been covered fairly well already, though I wouldn't rule it out in the future.
I would really like to see an Ardennes MC from the American side, say from the perspective of a small unit in the US 2nd Division, or 7th, 9th, maybe even 4th Armored Division. There are a huge number of possibilities here.
There are other good theaters and perspectives to be seen in potential MCs that I think could be interesting: 1939 USSR vs Japan in Manchuria, Japan in China (also early war), the Chindits in Burma, USSR in Berlin or in Operation Bagration, perhaps even a fictional campaign.
Thoughts?
Matt
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There were alot of battles in and around Stalingrad that had nothing to do with streetfighting. It would be interesting to introduce some of these to gamers who only see block to block, hand to hand as the only battles which took placed in Stalingrad.
That said, I would still elect to see the Italian campaign next, starting with Salerno. Core unit could be U.S., but mixed in with ranger, commando and British missions.
Whatever the final decision Matrix makes,we all win.
Magresh
That said, I would still elect to see the Italian campaign next, starting with Salerno. Core unit could be U.S., but mixed in with ranger, commando and British missions.
Whatever the final decision Matrix makes,we all win.
Magresh
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I just would like to thank each of you for the great responses to this thread.
If another Mega Campaign on Stalingrad comes about, it would be more on the lines of Operations Blau, Burnswick, and Winter Storm.
Other Ideas involve Kursk as well as western front ideas such as the Normandy campaign.
If there is a great interest in Mega Camapigns then please let David Heath, Wild Bill, Paul Vebber, and all the Matrix staff know.
After working on these mega campaigns, I have learned much about the potential for design these offer. I hope that another Mega Campaign can come about in the near future. Whatever the Front is or the battle depicted will it will be a winner <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">
Happy and joyous gaming fun to you all <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
If another Mega Campaign on Stalingrad comes about, it would be more on the lines of Operations Blau, Burnswick, and Winter Storm.
Other Ideas involve Kursk as well as western front ideas such as the Normandy campaign.
If there is a great interest in Mega Camapigns then please let David Heath, Wild Bill, Paul Vebber, and all the Matrix staff know.
After working on these mega campaigns, I have learned much about the potential for design these offer. I hope that another Mega Campaign can come about in the near future. Whatever the Front is or the battle depicted will it will be a winner <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">
Happy and joyous gaming fun to you all <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
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This is the best idea yet, the one I would go for in a big, big way. Germans seem to dominate the WW2 gaming idea pool. Our airborne - eithr division, really - was the equal of any leg troopers in WW2. Even grumpy Max Hastings has to admit how good they were.Originally posted by Kuroshio Apocal:
How about instead of tying it down to one area and time in the war, doing an MC on a certain unit? IE. MegaCampaign: All-American, the 82nd Airborne in WW2. Sicily, Salerno, Normandy, and Holland. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">
I would add to Kuroshios's fine idea: Allow an equivalent of the "Victors" option, the Allies continue the fight after the 1945 victory, against the Soviet Union. New and better weapons could be introduced, including but certainly not limited to jet aircraft.
Count my vote for a MC centered on my beloved "Devils in Baggy Pants".
Bing
"For Those That Fought For It, Freedom Has a Taste And A Meaning The Protected Will Never Know. " -
From the 101st Airborne Division Association Website
From the 101st Airborne Division Association Website
I´d rather see the east-front efforts going into Combat Leader than another MC...
Currently about halfway trough Desert Fox and while it´s very enjoyable most of the time and the scenarios are diverse, the setting and equipment can get a bit tired after a while. Most dunes look the same and the fact that I now know the armour thickness and slopes of every British ´41 tank by heart by now isn´t necessarily a good thing.
I think the idea of following a unit through the war is a good idea. What i´d really like to see though, is themed MC´s in this vein -
MC: "Airborne"
A Collection of 2 shorter MC´s follow Airborne units from US (82nd is a great option)and Germany (from Norway, Belgium and Crete to the ending as an elite mechanized unit on the west front). The more ´epic´ scope would allow for a great diversity in both missions and equipment and an opportunity to participate in several of the wars most spectacular and bloody battles <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">
Currently about halfway trough Desert Fox and while it´s very enjoyable most of the time and the scenarios are diverse, the setting and equipment can get a bit tired after a while. Most dunes look the same and the fact that I now know the armour thickness and slopes of every British ´41 tank by heart by now isn´t necessarily a good thing.
I think the idea of following a unit through the war is a good idea. What i´d really like to see though, is themed MC´s in this vein -
MC: "Airborne"
A Collection of 2 shorter MC´s follow Airborne units from US (82nd is a great option)and Germany (from Norway, Belgium and Crete to the ending as an elite mechanized unit on the west front). The more ´epic´ scope would allow for a great diversity in both missions and equipment and an opportunity to participate in several of the wars most spectacular and bloody battles <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">