Until recently, I used to think that a wargaming community provided an incredibly valuable source of insight into the military aspects of the current political debate in this country, but I've seen in several forums that wargamers are just as prone to mis-information, wishful thinking, and blind idealogical bias as the general populace.
Yea, wiser heads are right... leave the politics out of wargaming forums!
(Or at least until it's all in the past and we can dissect what went wrong and debate alternative strategies that might have changed history).
I am just SO GLAD that it's almost over... I'm a political junkie but I'm just so sick of the charges and countercharges and lies and misrepresentations and maneuvering and registration fraud and vote suppression efforts and fears about rigged electronic voting and....
God, let it just end on election day!
And with malice towards none and charity for all, let us bind up the nation's wounds...
Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections?
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rhondabrwn
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RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections?
Love & Peace,
Far Dareis Mai
My old Piczo site seems to be gone, so no more Navajo Nation pics
Far Dareis Mai
My old Piczo site seems to be gone, so no more Navajo Nation pics
RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections?
ORIGINAL: fbastos
Therefore I second the motion to stick to wargame issues in this forum.
Only if that includes changing your ketchup brand!
F.
Can we add Texan and Saudi oil industries, Haliburton etc.?
Let's stop this, with or without smiley attachments, ok?
Don't fight a battle if you don't gain anything by winning. (Rommel)
RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections?
ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn
.... let it just end on election day!
And with malice towards none and charity for all, let us bind up the nation's wounds...
[&o] Yep. And then on to international wounds and to global problems screaming to be addressed openminded, multilaterally and with civilized means. But not in this forum anymore please.
Don't fight a battle if you don't gain anything by winning. (Rommel)
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MadmanRick
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RE: Way of topic for a wargame forum.
Probably not. But I can't let an attack on Bush without support go by. now..
Your zenophobia and right-wing manifesto have NO place in this forum, in support of your crusader or not. Refrain from espousing your brand of Fox News inspired history, for the good of us all? This is a forum for War In The Pacific, if you need an outlet for your anger/hate/ignorance, a google search for O'Reilly/Coulter/Limbaugh will lead you to the promised land. Thank you,
Rick
"Our lives begin to end the moment we become silent about things that matter". Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
RE: Way of topic for a wargame forum.
Matrix,
Please get the patch out! I am in a so called "battleground state" and I get enough of this from the radio and TV. I don't need it from a gaming forum! So, please get the patch out so my fellow gamers will be too busy playing to talk politics!
Please get the patch out! I am in a so called "battleground state" and I get enough of this from the radio and TV. I don't need it from a gaming forum! So, please get the patch out so my fellow gamers will be too busy playing to talk politics!
"You go over there and attract their attention while I . . . "
Member Henchmen and Sidekicks Local 272
Member Henchmen and Sidekicks Local 272
RE: Way of topic for a wargame forum.
ORIGINAL: MadmanRick
Probably not. But I can't let an attack on Bush without support go by. now..
Your zenophobia and right-wing manifesto have NO place in this forum, in support of your crusader or not. Refrain from espousing your brand of Fox News inspired history, for the good of us all? This is a forum for War In The Pacific, if you need an outlet for your anger/hate/ignorance, a google search for O'Reilly/Coulter/Limbaugh will lead you to the promised land. Thank you,
Rick
Your CNN Pink slip is showing... And if you are going to call one source biased, recognize that your own sources are even more biased and have been for about four decades, please. The Media are 80% liberal in voter registration as it is according to the latest data. Don't make the typical leftist remark about someone being biased just because they don't buy the leftist propaganda machine's pompous pandering.
Oh, by the way, your remark about anger/hate/ignorance is really insulting to those of us who actually have functioning brain cells and happen to think that the democrat party has slipped so far away from the main stream of politics in the US that it has to resort to such trash as that kind of remark. That is sort of like Hillary's blaming the truth about Bill's tryst in the White House on a "vast right-wing conspiracy." I wish the dems would argue issues rather than chivy votes with manufactured headlines and/or personal attacks - like calling a conservative .xenophobic!
"Action springs not from thought, but from a readiness for responsibility.” ― Dietrich Bonhoeffer
RE: Way of topic for a wargame forum.
well...this may sound harsh, but if people do not want to read this, do not click on this link....with that said, i don't like it either. but this appears to be allowed so i will bite. it is funny to me how Kerry supporters will throw out personal insults when someone does not support their point of view. case in point, Tankerace's post was, in my opinion, a well though out and presented arguement. someone might dispute the facts, but as Homer Simpson said, "you can use facts to prove anything even remotely true" then in forranger's reponse, he acually has 4 insults in his first sentence:
"Boy have you been brainwashed by Bush's spin doctors....... Ever been taught to use your own brain? I've never seen such a poor piece of propaganda."
then alot of the remainder of his arguement is the same, and some even inaccurate. and some just does not even attempt to make a point:
"Yeah, we see how stable the situation in Iraq is. Brilliant remark."
quote:
ORIGINAL: Tankerace
Thanks to Bush, a nuclear missile defense system will now further protect America from terrorist attack, or attacks by other nations.
Buddy, terrorists don't ever attack with ballistic missiles...... If there's a terrorist attack with a nuclear device it's gonna be a bomb placed in a car or a piece of baggage.....
I've got some news for you, the terrorists are not going to build their own bomb, they are going to buy/steal it. They could just as easily get a ballistic missle has any other type. the was even stated by Kerry in the debate, and it will prob be easier since they do not have to get one in the U.S. border. also, many people consider N. Korea a terrorist state
here is somemore:
"I'm amazed at the Lemming mentality of most Bush followers"
"There's no other news organisation with a comparable size of audience with such a terrible bias in politics"
eerrr, CNN, CBS? MSNBC is not too bad, Fox has does conservative shows (which i do not really like) but the news itself is not too bad...i watch all of them and figure that the true is somewhere in between.
I do support Bush, and this is why, I don't give a crap about Kerry's Vietnam record, i really don't care about what he said about the war, The thing that influenced me was his senate record over the last 20 so years. what has he supported, what has he not supported. i find that i do not agree with many of his views.
TO EVERYONE; do not take other's word for fact. look for yourself. BOTH sides only show the "facts" that support them. anyone can go to Boortz or moveon, but do you really think your going to get an unbias'd point of view?
"Boy have you been brainwashed by Bush's spin doctors....... Ever been taught to use your own brain? I've never seen such a poor piece of propaganda."
then alot of the remainder of his arguement is the same, and some even inaccurate. and some just does not even attempt to make a point:
"Yeah, we see how stable the situation in Iraq is. Brilliant remark."
quote:
ORIGINAL: Tankerace
Thanks to Bush, a nuclear missile defense system will now further protect America from terrorist attack, or attacks by other nations.
Buddy, terrorists don't ever attack with ballistic missiles...... If there's a terrorist attack with a nuclear device it's gonna be a bomb placed in a car or a piece of baggage.....
I've got some news for you, the terrorists are not going to build their own bomb, they are going to buy/steal it. They could just as easily get a ballistic missle has any other type. the was even stated by Kerry in the debate, and it will prob be easier since they do not have to get one in the U.S. border. also, many people consider N. Korea a terrorist state
here is somemore:
"I'm amazed at the Lemming mentality of most Bush followers"
"There's no other news organisation with a comparable size of audience with such a terrible bias in politics"
eerrr, CNN, CBS? MSNBC is not too bad, Fox has does conservative shows (which i do not really like) but the news itself is not too bad...i watch all of them and figure that the true is somewhere in between.
I do support Bush, and this is why, I don't give a crap about Kerry's Vietnam record, i really don't care about what he said about the war, The thing that influenced me was his senate record over the last 20 so years. what has he supported, what has he not supported. i find that i do not agree with many of his views.
TO EVERYONE; do not take other's word for fact. look for yourself. BOTH sides only show the "facts" that support them. anyone can go to Boortz or moveon, but do you really think your going to get an unbias'd point of view?
Quote from one of my drill sergeants, "remember, except for the extreme heat, intense radiation, and powerful blast wave, a nuclear explosion is just like any other explosion"
RE: Way of topic for a wargame forum.
This was a humor thread ... keep the politics out of it. [:'(]
RE: Way of topic for a wargame forum.
ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag
This was a humor thread ... keep the politics out of it. [:'(]
but isn't politics humorous? my father always said that used car salesmen were politicans who didn't make it because they were too honest. (for any used car salesmen who were offended, i'm sorry. I acually have a good friend that paid his way through collage, and he is the most honest person I know)
that acually also reminds me of a funny story with him, but i'll spare you and my fingers because it would take a hour to write
Quote from one of my drill sergeants, "remember, except for the extreme heat, intense radiation, and powerful blast wave, a nuclear explosion is just like any other explosion"
RE: Way of topic for a wargame forum.
but isn't politics humorous?
It generally is until people take a side and start preaching what everyone already knows. It is safe to assume that anyone with enough of an IQ to play a game like WitP also has enough to figure out who to vote for based on some form of credible reasoning. It does not mean they are right, but at least they are informed votes. For the non-Yanks, most of us don't really care.
RE: Way of topic for a wargame forum.
very true. Lets get back to a safer topic.
Canadians.
Evil Canadians.......
[:'(]
Canadians.
Evil Canadians.......
[:'(]
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ElvisDaKing
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RE: Way of topic for a wargame forum.
ORIGINAL: Nikademus
very true. Lets get back to a safer topic.
Canadians.
Evil Canadians.......
[:'(]
Vive le Quebec Libre !!! [:D]
'To my point, in war, there s just one attractive thing : the victory Parade... What sucks, it s all the things before.... We should get the enlist payroll and do the parade right away, before that it get totally screwed up'
Un Taxi pour Tobrouk
Un Taxi pour Tobrouk
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Clipper1968
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RE: Way of topic for a wargame forum.
Yikes!!!
Evil French Canadians!!!!!
Evil French Canadians!!!!!
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ElvisDaKing
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RE: Way of topic for a wargame forum.
ORIGINAL: Nikademus
Yikes!!!
Evil French Canadians!!!!!
[:D][:D][:D]
'To my point, in war, there s just one attractive thing : the victory Parade... What sucks, it s all the things before.... We should get the enlist payroll and do the parade right away, before that it get totally screwed up'
Un Taxi pour Tobrouk
Un Taxi pour Tobrouk
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Clipper1968
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RE: Way of topic for a wargame forum.
ORIGINAL: Nikademus
Yikes!!!
Evil French Canadians!!!!!
I am not Canadian!!![:D][:D][:D]
"s'instruire pour vaincre"
RE: Way of topic for a wargame forum.
but your from France!
yeek!!!
RUN AWAY!!!! [:'(]
yeek!!!
RUN AWAY!!!! [:'(]
RE: Way of topic for a wargame forum.
Yes but,canadians and frenchmen speak french.......enough said.[;)]
Finnish the flippin patch so we can drop this before war breaksout!
Is it too early to ask whats in 1.4?
Finnish the flippin patch so we can drop this before war breaksout!
Is it too early to ask whats in 1.4?
RE: Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections?
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ORIGINAL: fbastos
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Therefore I second the motion to stick to wargame issues in this forum.
Only if that includes changing your ketchup brand!
F.
Can we add Texan and Saudi oil industries, Haliburton etc.?
Let's stop this, with or without smiley attachments, ok?
Ah, but there is no fun on making fun of Halibutt-on. Specially of Dick Cheney; these are OLD jokes...
Know what Bush told Kerry?
"Katch up!"
F.
PS: Relax, I have a nearly-full bottle of Heinz Tomato Ketchup in my fridge.
I'm running out of jokes...
RE: Way of topic for a wargame forum.
ORIGINAL: Pumba1968
ORIGINAL: Nikademus
Yikes!!!
Evil French Canadians!!!!!
I am not Canadian!!![:D][:D][:D]
Yeah, yeah, and Dick Nixon "was not a crook"!! [:'(]
Which brings up the question, will the new patch make it easier for us to bomb Cambodia? Please discuss!! (OK, I admit it. Without the patch, I am still bored. But at least I have kept some pride, and not managed to start a new "I'd like to discuss ASW code" thread. ) [;)][;)][;)]