Xargun and Rob my side of the map

dr. smith · Post by **dr. smith** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 8:45 pm

Burma: I think with the new Zones of Control, Rangoon is indefensible. It becomes another Singapore since any IJA units come via the railroad directly north of Rangoon, leaving you no where to retreat to (unless its the river surrounded hex to the NW). In any case, do like the Tommies did, evacuate, its a deathtrap.

rroberson · Post by **rroberson** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:00 pm

So what would you guys consider a good criteria for committing naval air assets? Raids are out of the question, but what would be on the table?

Also to defend rangoon or not...that seems to be the question. i can commit a massive amount of transports to the area to evacue the oil and fall back, but all the way to mandalay - akyab?

Still waiting for dec 7 to arrive...when it does Ill post screenies.

Ron Saueracker · Post by **Ron Saueracker** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:45 pm

ORIGINAL: rroberson

So what would you guys consider a good criteria for committing naval air assets? Raids are out of the question, but what would be on the table?

Also to defend rangoon or not...that seems to be the question. i can commit a massive amount of transports to the area to evacue the oil and fall back, but all the way to mandalay - akyab?

Still waiting for dec 7 to arrive...when it does Ill post screenies.

Rangoon is bad news. I always lose units trying to defend it. Akyab/Mandalay all the way is the best stance. Don't let him see your CVs, period. (Does not mean you park them on the West Coast) That way you force him into being more conservative as he does not know if he will get his fingers slapped if Japan reaches too far. If you lose them, you are SCREWED, as you well know. Once you have the big five, DO NOT go on the offensive, none of this "Well, Kwajalein looks juicy," stuff. You are still at a disadvantage unless he comes after you on your turf.

Rob322 · Post by **Rob322** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:46 pm

I'd spend the time to build up Mandalay over Akyab. Oil is in Mandalay and once it falls the Japanese have a straight run at the Burma Rd. Akyab is closer to your major Indian bases but gets there via trail and so he'll move slowly that way. I like to fight over Mandalay and then crawl back to Imphal, which you should be making (along with Kohima to the NE) impregnable. I typically leave the AVG in place at Mandalay for that reason and let her stay there until the hex is in danger.

Oh yes, totally agree with Ron S. NO Allied Sub doctrine, all you have in a bunch of subs that come home low and gas but loaded up with torpedoes. [:-] Certainly you need to spend some time weeding out weak commanders from the US Sub force but turning off that doctrine does most of the trick. Your torps suck but you will score some kills. The only drawback is that your subs will get shot at more often but as Japanese ASW is not the most fearsome force on the planet, let those guys earn their commands.

Speaking of commanders, the British have some simply awful commanders, especially at HQ level. III Corps in Dehli has a guy rated L:26 I:11 (or very close to that). SE Asia starts with Pownall who's 40/40. There are better choices out there and spend some time and PP's fixing those guys. You may not do much better than history but improving the leadership can help you out. Ghormeley in the South Pacific is another early candidate for reassignment to an AK making the SF to Pago Pago run.

Raverdave · Post by **Raverdave** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:10 pm

Yes drop Rangoon.........send the supplies/fuel that you pull out to Akyab and the oil to India. By making a stand at Akyab to will force him to divert forces to suppress/invade, which in turn will help in tghe defence of Mandalay. he can not take one without dealing with the other. Send all of the dutch minelaying ships to the Bay of Bengal from the get-go and sow mines.

rroberson · Post by **rroberson** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:13 pm

ORIGINAL: Raverdave

Yes drop Rangoon.........send the supplies/fuel that you pull out to Akyab and the oil to India. By making a stand at Akyab to will force him to divert forces to suppress/invade, which in turn will help in tghe defence of Mandalay. he can not take one without dealing with the other. Send all of the dutch minelaying ships to the Bay of Bengal from the get-go and sow mines.

That guarantees their loss to enemy air, worth it?

tanker4145 · Post by **tanker4145** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:42 am

I think the AVG should start by covering Rangoon while the supplies and fuel and forces are pulled out. Then I recommend sending part of them to China and surprising a raid or two of bombers. Then, it depends on your enemy. If he is pushing hard towards Mandalay you may need to commit them there to harras bombers. If he is using a good amount of zeros in the theater though I say move them to India and rest them. The Zero bonus is too good in the begining to try and stand up to.

I'm more than willing to abandon Mandalay because it's close to his supply and plays into his hands. I can defend better closer to Inida. But it really depends on what your opponent is doing.

Raverdave · Post by **Raverdave** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 4:24 am

Well in the two games that I have tried it I have lost 90% in one game and 25% in another. It all depends on which direction you choose to send your ships, then run them out of Diamond Harbour.

rroberson · Post by **rroberson** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:42 pm

Pearl

rroberson · Post by **rroberson** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:44 pm

Battleship Row, mostly the heavies, lots of destroyers and cruisers undamaged, how long does KB stay this time?

Ron Saueracker · Post by **Ron Saueracker** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:09 pm

ORIGINAL: rroberson

ORIGINAL: Raverdave

Yes drop Rangoon.........send the supplies/fuel that you pull out to Akyab and the oil to India. By making a stand at Akyab to will force him to divert forces to suppress/invade, which in turn will help in tghe defence of Mandalay. he can not take one without dealing with the other. Send all of the dutch minelaying ships to the Bay of Bengal from the get-go and sow mines.

That guarantees their loss to enemy air, worth it?

Use Dutch Minelaying subs O19 and O20 in Bay of Bengal, operating outof Diamond Harbor. Close to where the action is.

Oznoyng · Post by **Oznoyng** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:30 pm

Hmmm...Did Tennessee and Pennsylvania already sink, or did they get away unscathed? Was this after a single day of attacks under version 1.3?

rroberson · Post by **rroberson** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:38 pm

West Coast

Experience with Xargun is he literally fills the normal routes between Pearl and the West Coast with submarines. Most of them out of my air range. This game all my shipping will route around his sub zones with the exception of destroyers which will hopefully keep him occupied. It adds a few days to the trip, but i have found coming up on the southeast side of Pearl is the safest route. This turn I will flood the one hex line along the west coast to clear out any enemy submarines that might be there. After that I will constantly keep my destroyers at work clearing this area.

rroberson · Post by **rroberson** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:41 pm

ORIGINAL: Oznoyng

Hmmm...Did Tennessee and Pennsylvania already sink, or did they get away unscathed? Was this after a single day of attacks under version 1.3?

Not quite

rroberson · Post by **rroberson** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:46 pm

I was rather surprised at the day 1 landings very light.

rroberson · Post by **rroberson** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:53 pm

Light landings in the Malaya can only mean one thing... a major effort somewhere else...in this case the Philippines. This could be trouble as there are already 44 thousand Xargunite combat troops on the ground there.

rroberson · Post by **rroberson** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:59 pm

The dutch were also struck day one, I imagine he will make these air bases to interdicting shipping and to prevent rescue efforts.

Oznoyng · Post by **Oznoyng** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:02 pm

That was a pretty good PH for him. Most of my test attacks haven't looked that good after two days of attacks. Every BB you have is either in the red for sys damage or sunk. I usually have 1 to 4 BB's in the green after Day 1. If he sticks around for a second day, it looks like he could probably put a couple more BB's under waves.

That SS makes me wish you could set target priorities. After hitting the BB's that hard, I would love to be able to set priorities so that subsequent attacks did not hit previously damaged ships.

rroberson · Post by **rroberson** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:02 pm

He also grabbed Tarawa, before he is done I expect him to grab these other islands...

rroberson · Post by **rroberson** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:03 pm

ORIGINAL: Oznoyng

That was a pretty good PH for him. Most of my test attacks haven't looked that good after two days of attacks. Every BB you have is either in the red for sys damage or sunk. I usually have 1 to 4 BB's in the green after Day 1. If he sticks around for a second day, it looks like he could probably put a couple more BB's under waves.

That SS makes me wish you could set target priorities. After hitting the BB's that hard, I would love to be able to set priorities so that subsequent attacks did not hit previously damaged ships.

Yeah I agree, I expect him to go after repair facilities if he sticks around for a day two and day three strikes....I also expect him to divide his carriers after that and attempt to interdicting friendly shipping between the west coast and pearl. Naturally there will be none to interdict

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