Veterans Day and my Dad's Flag

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My Father, M/Sgt Albert C. Bowen, served in the Pacific with the U.S. Army during the second half of World War II. Not a hero – just a soldier. And a rear-area soldier at that.

Already 33 years old when war broke out and holding an administrative position with a defense contractor, he was initially exempt from the draft. But by 1943 the manpower needs were so great that Dad was finally drafted. In one of those processes that must really piss-off drill instructors, he was promoted from Private to Master Sergeant on the day he completed boot camp and was assigned to the Quartermaster Corps (based on his civilian experience).

He was part of the U.S. 6th Army when it invaded the Philippines in 1945. Once ashore in Luzon, Dad’s unit was assigned the job of re-equipping and re-arming the Filipino Guerilla fighters that had done so much with so little. As senior enlisted man of the Depot, he had primary responsibility for the actual accomplishment of the job (while, as he often said, the officers ran around saluting each other and attempting to get promoted). In recognition of his efforts he was presented a captured Japanese battle flag by General Basilio Valdez.

The flag had originally been presented to General Valdez by PQOG. I have no information as to the circumstances of the capture of the flag by PQOG or the apparent blood stains on it. Many flags taken by Filipino and U.S. troops were “souvenirized” by dipping them in blood from farm animals but I have always believed this one to be a genuine battle trophy.

PQOG (President Quezon’s Own Guerillas) was one of the main guerilla units operating in the Manila area. They supported U.S. forces during the Battle for Manila and are one of the groups that contributed to the rescue of American Prisoners of War at Los Banos. II Corps was the code name of the propaganda unit of PQOG. It published an anti-japanese newspaper in Manila during the occupation and even issued 100 Peso Philippine Script.

General Basilio Valdez was commandant of the Philippine Army before the War. He evacuated to Australia with President Quezon and was part of the Philippine Government in exile. He returned to the Philippines with General MacArthur and began to reform the Philippine Army. The various independent guerilla groups vied for recognition and status and their leaders vied for military appointments, so presentations to General Valdez would not have been uncommon.

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Interesting story, and great pictures.

As it is Veterans Day, thanks to all who have served.

I just attended a Veterans Day parade, and I was more than a little disappointed. It is cold and raining here today, and the turn-out was miserable. I swear there were more policemen than spectators. I see a lot of "Support Our Soldiers" bumper stickers, but when it came time to actually do something to show support, they didn't show. Guess they couldn't be bothered with it.
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I see a lot of "Support Our Soldiers" bumper stickers, but when it came time to actually do something to show support, they didn't show. Guess they couldn't be bothered with it.
I think a lot of those yellow ribbons were bought by people who were really thinking more about the election than they were about the troops.
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I see a lot of "Support Our Soldiers" bumper stickers, but when it came time to actually do something to show support, they didn't show. Guess they couldn't be bothered with it.

Well actions always speak louder than words. I have to agree with irrelevant I think those Bumpers were more for the election than anything else(except those worn by military families). On this day in my own humble words I want to say "thank you" also to all our men and women in service and their families, we realize the greatness of your sacrifice and are greatfull.
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But then again, many of the people that didn't show may have had to work. I had every Veterans day off while I was serving, since I have gotten out I have not had one off. Strange before I was a Vet I had all off not that I am a Vet I don't get my day off?

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Unfortunately I was on duty all night so I didn't get to see any parades but they did give all of us a 96 for the holiday.
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A 96 in the stumps huh...wooohoo!!...[:D]
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Hopefully they will start teaching proper history (not the politically correct variety).
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But then again, many of the people that didn't show may have had to work. I had every Veterans day off while I was serving, since I have gotten out I have not had one off. Strange before I was a Vet I had all off not that I am a Vet I don't get my day off?

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Ditto here, UncleBuck. [:(]

I think it is extremely disappointing (at least to me) that the company that I am employed by thought enough to send out a world-wide email on the anniversary of Sept 11th, but I have not seen one single attempt at recognition of the Veterans employed on any Veteran's Day that I have been here. <heavy sigh> [:(]
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I think it is extremely disappointing (at least to me) that the company that I am employed by thought enough to send out a world-wide email on the anniversary of Sept 11th, but I have not seen one single attempt at recognition of the Veterans employed on any Veteran's Day that I have been here. <heavy sigh>

Maybe you could start by thanking the vets yourself. If people saw you doing that then maybe they would follow your lead once that they knew that was the appropriate thing to do. It's sad but many people are just ignorant of the facts.
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Hats off to ALL vets !!

I picked up a client two uears ago. A Bataan Death March POW. What a man. A tear comes to me eye every time I see him and think of what he went through. He is now suffering sever back pains, for the beatings he recieved after escaping. He looks like a pretzel today.

Wow, I bow to him and ll those that served our (and other) great countries.

God belss all you Vets !! [&o] [&o]
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I think it is extremely disappointing (at least to me) that the company that I am employed by thought enough to send out a world-wide email on the anniversary of Sept 11th, but I have not seen one single attempt at recognition of the Veterans employed on any Veteran's Day that I have been here. <heavy sigh>

Maybe you could start by thanking the vets yourself. If people saw you doing that then maybe they would follow your lead once that they knew that was the appropriate thing to do. It's sad but many people are just ignorant of the facts.

Well, fact is, I'm a vet myself....but I suppose it couldn't hurt to thank the others as well [:)]
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Me too Kwik E Mart :-) I called home and thanked my Stepfather who was a vietnam vet and to say happy Veterans Day! He thanked me back and we talked for a bit.
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But then again, many of the people that didn't show may have had to work. I had every Veterans day off while I was serving, since I have gotten out I have not had one off. Strange before I was a Vet I had all off not that I am a Vet I don't get my day off?

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Very fair point. I would not have expected anyone to leave work and drive to see this parade.

However, this went right down one of the main streets between twenty-story buildings. No one gave me any guff about leaving my desk about 11:30 to go see the parade, and I wouldn't have taken it if they'd tried to give me any. In this case, it was a matter of getting on an elevator with a sweater and an umbrella and, voila!, you're honoring the vets.
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It's hard for me to start talking on politics. But I will do it for once. and I don't think I'll do it again for a long time ,at least not here, because I'm well aware that my political views are truly bad seen in my own little sphere of existance.



Maybe you know it, maybe you don't. I'm spanish. That might ring a bell on your brains maybe not...I'll make it clearer. I was born in the nation where the atrocious terrorist attacks of 11-March took place.

I don't know exactly how the media works out there in your side of the atlantic (for the americans) but here the media used those attacks to achieve a long-desired goals: to push the center-right party of the Popular Party out of the government in favor of the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party (PSOE: Partido socialista obrero español).

This nation has been since a LOOONG way back a fragmented country politically wise. The civil war, finished in 1939, gave as result a dictatorship which lasted until 1975. During the Civil War and the dictatorship years a lot of human rights were swept aside, a lot of people had to flee or suffered prison, and a lot of people died. This is very alive still today, so alive that much of the leftist thinking people of this nation still forgets that had Franco not won then a lot of people would've had to flee or suffer prison and a lot of people would have died...and not only right-minded people...even leftist people (during the civil war the republican side saw a lot of butchery incidents between stalinists and other leftist groups...of course the stalinist-communist ones were the assasins, the anarchists or socialist-communist thinkers were the killed ones) would had been severely purged.

Franco's legacy is still well-alive still today in this sad country (as proud as I'm of being spanish, is true that we're a SAD country). Right or center-right parties have to live their lives almost asking for apologies for not being in the same side of the political spectre as the leftists: if you don't think the PP was crap, then you would be instantly labelled as "Franquist". The big-mouthed leftist political heads of this sad country ,some of whom hold close friendship with sons-of-a-b*** as Castro and who refuse to condemn his dictatorship, would give their asses...in fact they would sell their soul to the devil just to get one more vote.

Those scumbags screamed all the time that the freedom of speech was prohibited under PP's government. However during Spanish logistical support to the US during Irak's war they went on to the street with the manifestants, in the first row, with big screens of "SAY NO TO WAR". They were on the streets with the manifestants when they were showing screens calling the government "assasins" ,"genocides", etc, and repeating each day that Spain was at war with Irak (which was false, Spain never sent a single man to fight there!)

Noone in the government made anything against that (and that is potentially bound to be taken to trial). The leftist leaders appeared EACH DAY in the news saying how evil the government was, how bad the president was...and ironically, how the freedom of speech was inexistant in this country (said in national media, by people who refuse to condemn castro. Ironic?. Would be worth a laugh...but those sons of a bitch are ruling my nation today...)


This country is "blessed" with some extremely independentist regions. The basque country (where I was born) is one of them. Catalonia is other of them. Both of them had to pay a high price, in some sense, for being independentist under the Franquist dictatorship. In some sense because, even while hte independentist feelings were hardly pursued, both regions saw an immense growth in economic power, health, and living standards (because both of them were the most important industrial regions of Spain at that time). However the economical push they had is easily forgotten -and up to some point I understand it- and all they remember is that they were opressed.


It would be too long and hard to explain here why and how ETA (Euskadi ta Askatasuna, the basque terrorist group that has poisoned Spain for decades) was born, but it has the roots there and some hints must be given to make this understandable. When franco died most of ETA died because democracy arrived. However many of them kept on pulling the trigger of their guns, as they became addicted to killing. Up to this point hundreds, more than a thousand, lives have been sacrificed by ETA's "will to save the basque people from Opression". I fail to see where is the opression in today's spanish democracy...but that is what they insist to say (even if more than 90% of the basque people are really TIRED of them and HATE them).


When the 11-M attacks happened, the government (PP at that stage) pointed out at ETA as the authors. Maybe too soon...but during 2003 more than a ton of explosives were stolen by ETA from France, in December (near christmast) an ETA plot to put explosives on a Train bound to arrive at Atocha (potentially with as many as victims as 11-M attacks, and in 24-December) was exposed. During 2001 an ETA plot to put 500kg of explosives in the basement of Torre Picasso (one of the biggest buildings in Madrid, which would've collapsed causing thousands of dead or injured) was barely discovered, and in February 2004 a van loaded with half a ton explosives was discovered by the police, and their drivers made prisoners. They were headed for Madrid.

In February 2004, too, some papers were discovered during a raid on an ETA secure flat, with a plan to put bombs in Atocha and several trains. It was almost a copy of 11-March attacks.

With those precedents, when 11-M happened the government was almost certain at a fist glance: it had been ETA. It turned out not to be. They were not. At least not who put the explosives on the trains...because at this stage, 8 months after those attacks happened, more evidence is being revealed as each day passes by that shows that even while ETA was not the author, they had A LOT of common links with the terrorists...and probably they helped the infrastructure to do the attack.


Anyway: 11-M was 3 days before elections in Spain. When it turned out to be that the proof pointed out to Al-qaeda and muslim individuals, the media made a show out of it. In spain more than 50% of the national-covering media is controlled by one person (who's said to be the most powerful man alive in Spain): Jesus de Polanco, who HATED PP's government and leads the most rabid pro-leftist media network in spain (and who ironically was one of the protegees of Francisco Franco Bahamonde, and who grew an immense fortune out from that relationship, something which of course noone in his controlled media says a word about). He controls one of the biggest newspapers of this nation, as well as one TV channel, two national-wide radio channels, and several local-wide TV channels...between many other things. Polanco smelled blood, and went for it

Since 11-M that massive ammount of national-media used their massive power to say that the PP was lying, the government keeping vital information away from the public (who gives ALL the information 6 hours after that kind of attack, for Gods'sake????, don't they know the concept of "secret" when doing police investigations????), and that blaming ETA was a calculated move by the government to avoid admitting they had been the muslims.

Leaving aside that blaming ETA was done 2 hours after the attacks (when noone in the government knew anything important about the attack) and that after the first hints were found that it might had not been them the government IMMEDIATELY STOPPED talking about ETA, the fact is that the media LIED to convince the public that the attacks had been done because of Spanish committment in Irak (ironically Spain was first threatened by Bin Laden much before even the 11-S attacks, in year 2000, because Spain had stolen the Muslim the promised land of Al-Andalus...but of course the media didn't say a word about that).

The PSOE promptly took the chance and started doing anything in their hand to move the people against the government ,no matter if it was right or not (if it was to their advantage...what was the problem?). Even in 13-March ,one day before the elections and in Reflexion day -when is EXPRESELLY FORBIDDEN to make political advices of -ANY KIND- the press chief of PSOE, Rubalcaba, went on the media to throw more garbage at the govenrment. Legally talking, that would've been enough to impeach the elections and delay it for a latter date, but the PP chose not to do it...they wanted to play "clean" against a "Dirty" opponent.

Needless to say the independentist parties of this nation (all of them hate the PP) also went on to the table to do anything in their hand to force a change of government. The extreme left...well...guess it ;).

and of course, the mass of cows, sheep and stupid nerds of this nation chose to vote for the PSOE instead of the PP because what they had seen on the papers or heard in the radio. In short: the current government took advantage of four bombs, a massive media plot, and the stupidity of the nation's "normal guy" to win an election.

But even worse...they won it over the blood of 200 innocent deads and hundred of injured. This nation's government is based on the suffering of that people. They USED that to win an election ,no matter if they had to lie and act unconstitutionally or illegally to do it. And that is something impossible to forget or forgive.


In short....I remember US' reaction after 11-S. Noone made blood out of it. The media didn't try to push Bush out of power. The Democratic Party didn't try to blame the Republicans of it. The American people stood united against the sons of a bitch who did that massacre. And when the time came, the soldiers went out to try and capture or kill the bastard who did it instead of wasting the time and energies of the nation in internal political plots.

And I admire it. Because in this nation all I saw was a group of bastards trying to climb up to the power at the cost of more than a thousand's people suffering (not counting families)


I see the american Veterans' day with envy. In the US you can celebrate it and remember your soldiers with pride and satisfaction, for they gave their efforts and sacrified a lot, even their lifes for what they thought it was a better world.


I also admire it. Because in Spain if you try to celebrate a Veteran's day, you can't remember the Nationalist veterans, because if you do, you're a damned franquist son-of-a-bitch. Or an imperialist spaniard who wanted to force the moors, catalonians, or whatever into the nation.



When I see an american's reaction to his flag waving, I simply feel torn. Because all of you feel pride when you see it. Here in spain the PP government once gave a celebration with a very big spanish flag...to be shot by all angles by leftist politicians saying that it was a franquist (¿?) celebration. You can't admire your flag in this SAD country without being called names.



Heck, I dislike USA for a lot of reasons (no nation's perfect), but, no matter how much do I love my nation of birth (and I love it a lot), sometimes I wish I was american.



so hats off for the american vets...and for the american people. I wish all the nations in the world would have all your (many) virtues. (and none of your faults, hehehe, they are a lot, but heck...they are nothing compared with your virtues).



And here I end my political ranting :). If you read the whole post...well...thank you :D.
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RAM...excellent post. THANK YOU.
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RAM,
It is refreshing to see that there is a European that appreciates something about America. I have European friends that live and work in the U.S. but still complain ALOT about issues here....I know that is their perogative, especially here in America, but your post was refreshing, none-the-less.

Ok, Veteran's Day is over....time to figure out how to make Singapore last as long as possible now.... [8D] <turns political switch to OFF position>
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This should make American Feel good.
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Las Gracias Pegaron, En cuanto a Beign un americano, viene encendido sobre hombre. Usted puede emigrar aquí. ¿Usted tiene un comercio? Le deseamos. ¿Usted sabe inglés? Le deseamos. Usted puede moverse aquí y desemejante de la mayoría de los otros países en el mundo, permitimos ciudadanía dual. Usted sería un americano y un Spainard. Si no, ésa es autorización también, recuerda que estaremos siempre aquí para usted.

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Heya UncleBuck!

thanks for your kind reply ;). I know there's always the chance to try and get a job there, pack things up, and part to the USA to start a new life there...however is a very very hard thing to do...you leave behind all your life, friends, family and everything you've known and loved for all your lifetime for something completely new and, in a lot of things, very different. Unless really pressed to at a personal level, I don't think I'll do it.


On the other side is the ethical side of the question. Spain is a mess politically and socially wise today. The people each day is more and more idiotized by TV garbage programs and stupid media papers (here in spain "yellow" news tabloids like those in UK are best sellers -something which say little about this nation education and intelectual level). If those of us who know better than seeing stupid TV programs, or paying atention to see if whoever-bullfighter has an affair with whatever famous woman, leave this country, then what will be left of it?. It will go down into mediocrity.

If there's a group of bastards in the government, and all of us who can see it and refuse to accept it leave Spain, who's gonna vote them out of power when elections come?. There's the chance to vote via mail, but I'm not sure how the laws regarding double nationality apply to mail voting, and in any case I'm true to myself and if I don't follow personally the day-by-day news, if I'm not well informed personally, I probably won't vote. If all the information I have available to know what's going on in my native country is thru media and I despise media as a bunch of liers, it won't make sense to base my vote on their news...


Is an attractive idea, however, in many senses...but in fact it would be like running away from a problem instead of facing it and trying to change it for good. If you add into the mix that you have to leave behind all your loved ones and the land where you were born (and which you truly love for many reasons)...well...you see my point :).


Thanks everyone for your kind replies...and believe me, as true it is that there is many people in europe who despise USA for it's faults over it's good features, it is also true that there is many people who like it for those good features, no matter it has some faults.

No nation's perfect, that's for sure, and USA isn't perfect, too. But for sure you have a great deal of things to admire, so many and so good that they weigh a lot more than the negative features your nation has. Many people recognize and understand that...and in fact many of the people who despise the United States does it because they are rotten in envy. So don't really care about them :).
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