ORIGINAL: Raverdave
I'm here online still waiting for the PBEM invite.
LOL, I woudn't expect it any time soon. [8|]
Russia First strategy for Japan
Moderators: wdolson, Don Bowen, mogami
RE: would someone total the Russian resources and post it here?
LOL, I woudn't expect it any time soon. [8|]
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
RE: would someone total the Russian resources and post it here?
ORIGINAL: Hirohito
Your argument against my other strategy is that WITP_DUDE is an idiot and cannot run it properly? Interesting. None of my strategies depend on luck at all. Every ship, every plane, every soldier is accounted for many, many turns in advance. Do you plan your campaigns to that level of detail?
Hirohito
You are totally full of ****... I'm the only one who had the stupidity to try your stupid strategy and all you can say is I'm an idiot. Now your Russian strategy is being disproved. Time to come clean, you don't play WiTP, do you? If so, start posting some results.
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
RE: would someone total the Russian resources and post it here?
ORIGINAL: Hirohito
The Japanese troops living in northern Manchuko and Mongolia had been there since the 30s. Wouldn't they have adapted to cold weather? Parts of Japan are at the same latitude as the areas the Japanese would be fighting in in Siberia, it gets just as cold in those parts of Japan. The Japanese were not as unprepared to fight in cold weather as the Germans. The Japanese troops were right next to the "cold" areas you are talking about. It was just as cold in Manchuko, and the Japanese troops had been there for years.
Japan is nothing like Siberia, weather wise. Going on the offensive in subzero temperatures in December and January... yeah, that would have worked out well. [8|]
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
RE: would someone total the Russian resources and post it here?
Hmmmmmmmm I wonder what the correct term is for someone whom refuses to fight?
Hello ? Hirohito ? Are you there? Have you started to set up our PBEM game yet ????
Hello ? Hirohito ? Are you there? Have you started to set up our PBEM game yet ????
Never argue with an idiot, he will only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
RE: would someone total the Russian resources and post it here?
He claims to only play hotseat for some reason, but there is still the option of copying his results and posting them here. Since he does not do that, one can only assume he does not actually test these strategies out. Therefore, he can't really claim these are great strategies to follow. They are only untested ideas he has from reading books and having a healthy imagination.
You'd probably be better off going to random history sites and blindly asking for advice from the first person you come into contact with.
You'd probably be better off going to random history sites and blindly asking for advice from the first person you come into contact with.
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
RE: would someone total the Russian resources and post it here?
2. "Not if it is well planned and well executed. The Empire, IF it brings the right forces to bear in the right places can quickly overrun siberia."
It is not likely to be quick no matter what you do. Unless your opponent is braindead, they will put up a tough fight. They will be able to fall back away from exposed positions and build up fortifications. Siberia is big. The Soviets can continue to fall back several times. Japanese supply will decrease as they pile division after division into far off hex. This will lower the effectiveness of the Japanese combat units. The way supply is modeled in WiTP, you can't just pile dozens of divisions into one area and expect them all to be perfectly supplied.
Also, you specifically state that "the Empire, IF it brings the right forces to bear in the right places can quickly overrun siberia". How the hell do you know this? Since you don't play against the computer, don't play PBEM, and only play the occasionally hotseat match, you can't have tested this much. Quite frankly, you don't know if it will take three months or three years.
How do you know how often I play hot seat? How do you know how often I have tested this? You are very arrogant and insulting about someone you know nothing about. Take one look at the map. The Russian troops in and around Vladisvostok have their head in a noose. Very few bases in Siberia actually produce supplies. Properly planned, you can cut the Russians off from supply quickly. How do you fortify bases without supply? I know exactly how long it takes to take Siberia. you say that i know nothing about supply, but you have no real basis for making that statement. I would say based on your arguments that you don't know how to run an effective campaign unless you are copying a well known one like the one the Japanese originally used.
3. - "You get more than enought oil/resources/hi/supplies from siberia and china to make up for delaying the SRA campaign."
No, you won't. This is a clear indicator you don't know much about the details of WiTP. First, you can easily grab a number of Chinese cities without having to go to war against the USSR. So there is no benefit for these cities. Actually, the Japanese player loses out some if you let the Chinese have Changsa and other places while chasing around after bears in the far north.
The reinforcements moved into the chinese coastal cities free up the divisions and mixed brigades there. What do you think I do with them? A few are sent to manchuko, where do you think the rest go? Let's see. How about for offensive operations in China? Gee, what a concept. I'm not going to give the Chinese any rest. It was never the plan to sit idle in china while Siberia is being taken out. Some of the troops are freed up from Siberia right away, mainly the ones taking out northern Sakhelin island and the base on the far east of siberia near the bering sea, and some of the troops in the vladisvostok operation. They move by ship to canton for immediate action against the chinese cities near canton.
Second, any benefits of additional Manchuria troops are going to be offset by the fact that the Chinese get time to rest up and build all their cities to full size nine fortifications. Instead of being weak and unable to stand up the Japanese, the Chinese will be strong and almost impossible to knock out.
No, they won't. The force dispositions do not change the balance. Some divisions move to manchuko, others move from the coastal cities into the interior of china. The force dispositions are a wash. Offensive operations begin immediately. Troops start coming back from Siberia almost immediately. How long do you think it takes to take northern sakhelin island? It isn't even garrisoned. And the base in the far east of siberia on the bering sea? It falls on the first landing. How long do you think Vladisvostok holds if you attack it correctly? It doesn't.
Finally, and most obviously, the DEI, PI, Malay, and Burma have many times as many resources and oil that Western China/Siberia have. It's an open and shut case on this question. Everyone knows this to be a fact.
They don't have many times as many resources. Speaking just of oil, you get 600 oil from russia/china. And you are assuming that you can keep ALL the oil production out of the Empire's hands after Russia falls. Are you saying that the allies can be strong EVERYWHERE after a few months?
4. "This is laughable. PLEASE send your submarines to the sea of japan. We need the target practice."
Japanese ASW is never very good, but it is the worst at the start of the war. If you played WiTP much at all, this would be something you'd know.
Actually, I do quite well against the Allies submarines. It's not my fault if you don't know how to run ASW operations correctly.
5. "Only against an idiot. They can easily be cut off and starved out. Remember, the Empire will be bringing the Kwantan army, the bulk of the forces from China, the original SRA invasion force and any reinforcements received along the way to bear. The IJN will be intact unless the Japanese player is a total idiot. The air forces that historically sat the war out in Manchuko and China are now added to the fray."
Again, this indicates an inexperience with the WiTP system. It's just talk, really. You will have to plan on giving the PI, DEI, Malay, and Singapore 9-12 months to build up their defenses while you take out both China and the Soviet Union. This is gonna cause a lot of problems. The Allies will build up their fortifications and air fields during this time. Many bombers and fighters can be placed at various places.
It isn't 9-12 months. Maybe YOU would take 9-12 months. And how are you going to be moving all these transports into PI, DEI, Malay and Singapore,what do you think I'm going to be doing in the meantime? Keeping IJN in dry dock? Keeping my planes on training missions? Not to mention Mine Layers and submarines. Only an idiot would allow allied transports to come and go as they please.
By the way, you can't "starve" the DEI, PI, and Malay using the IJN. If you actually played WiTP, you'd understand this by now. There is something in the game called "resources". While they are needed by heavy industry, they also produce supply at the very place they are located at.
Gee, I didn't know that, thanks for pointing it out. So, what you are going to do is move troop transports past my navy and air force to any place you wish, and oil tankers past my navy and air force into places that don't have oil, and you have no islands that don't produce anough supply so that you dont have to move supply transports to them, please give me a break. You have to move things around and I'm going to stop you. You can't be strong everywhere.
You make assumptions that just aren't true. And you assume you are going up against an idiot.
Yes, some islands produce their own supplies, to a point. How many troops can they supply? Some islands have their own oil,but what about the ones that don't? And how do you move the oil out so that you can actually use it? For any given island, it takes a certain level of resources to produce enough supplies to support a large body of troops on the island. So, you are saying that the number of troops that can be supported is always sufficient to defend the island given the supplies that are produced, for every place you want to defend? And, you are further saying you can defend every base simultaneously, to avoid the situation that the Empire forces will take some bases on an isolated island and make supplying the troops there more and more difficult?
See, I think you are the one that doesn't know much about playing this game if you cannot keep the allies off balance for the few months it takes to finish the Russians.
Hirohito
It is not likely to be quick no matter what you do. Unless your opponent is braindead, they will put up a tough fight. They will be able to fall back away from exposed positions and build up fortifications. Siberia is big. The Soviets can continue to fall back several times. Japanese supply will decrease as they pile division after division into far off hex. This will lower the effectiveness of the Japanese combat units. The way supply is modeled in WiTP, you can't just pile dozens of divisions into one area and expect them all to be perfectly supplied.
Also, you specifically state that "the Empire, IF it brings the right forces to bear in the right places can quickly overrun siberia". How the hell do you know this? Since you don't play against the computer, don't play PBEM, and only play the occasionally hotseat match, you can't have tested this much. Quite frankly, you don't know if it will take three months or three years.
How do you know how often I play hot seat? How do you know how often I have tested this? You are very arrogant and insulting about someone you know nothing about. Take one look at the map. The Russian troops in and around Vladisvostok have their head in a noose. Very few bases in Siberia actually produce supplies. Properly planned, you can cut the Russians off from supply quickly. How do you fortify bases without supply? I know exactly how long it takes to take Siberia. you say that i know nothing about supply, but you have no real basis for making that statement. I would say based on your arguments that you don't know how to run an effective campaign unless you are copying a well known one like the one the Japanese originally used.
3. - "You get more than enought oil/resources/hi/supplies from siberia and china to make up for delaying the SRA campaign."
No, you won't. This is a clear indicator you don't know much about the details of WiTP. First, you can easily grab a number of Chinese cities without having to go to war against the USSR. So there is no benefit for these cities. Actually, the Japanese player loses out some if you let the Chinese have Changsa and other places while chasing around after bears in the far north.
The reinforcements moved into the chinese coastal cities free up the divisions and mixed brigades there. What do you think I do with them? A few are sent to manchuko, where do you think the rest go? Let's see. How about for offensive operations in China? Gee, what a concept. I'm not going to give the Chinese any rest. It was never the plan to sit idle in china while Siberia is being taken out. Some of the troops are freed up from Siberia right away, mainly the ones taking out northern Sakhelin island and the base on the far east of siberia near the bering sea, and some of the troops in the vladisvostok operation. They move by ship to canton for immediate action against the chinese cities near canton.
Second, any benefits of additional Manchuria troops are going to be offset by the fact that the Chinese get time to rest up and build all their cities to full size nine fortifications. Instead of being weak and unable to stand up the Japanese, the Chinese will be strong and almost impossible to knock out.
No, they won't. The force dispositions do not change the balance. Some divisions move to manchuko, others move from the coastal cities into the interior of china. The force dispositions are a wash. Offensive operations begin immediately. Troops start coming back from Siberia almost immediately. How long do you think it takes to take northern sakhelin island? It isn't even garrisoned. And the base in the far east of siberia on the bering sea? It falls on the first landing. How long do you think Vladisvostok holds if you attack it correctly? It doesn't.
Finally, and most obviously, the DEI, PI, Malay, and Burma have many times as many resources and oil that Western China/Siberia have. It's an open and shut case on this question. Everyone knows this to be a fact.
They don't have many times as many resources. Speaking just of oil, you get 600 oil from russia/china. And you are assuming that you can keep ALL the oil production out of the Empire's hands after Russia falls. Are you saying that the allies can be strong EVERYWHERE after a few months?
4. "This is laughable. PLEASE send your submarines to the sea of japan. We need the target practice."
Japanese ASW is never very good, but it is the worst at the start of the war. If you played WiTP much at all, this would be something you'd know.
Actually, I do quite well against the Allies submarines. It's not my fault if you don't know how to run ASW operations correctly.
5. "Only against an idiot. They can easily be cut off and starved out. Remember, the Empire will be bringing the Kwantan army, the bulk of the forces from China, the original SRA invasion force and any reinforcements received along the way to bear. The IJN will be intact unless the Japanese player is a total idiot. The air forces that historically sat the war out in Manchuko and China are now added to the fray."
Again, this indicates an inexperience with the WiTP system. It's just talk, really. You will have to plan on giving the PI, DEI, Malay, and Singapore 9-12 months to build up their defenses while you take out both China and the Soviet Union. This is gonna cause a lot of problems. The Allies will build up their fortifications and air fields during this time. Many bombers and fighters can be placed at various places.
It isn't 9-12 months. Maybe YOU would take 9-12 months. And how are you going to be moving all these transports into PI, DEI, Malay and Singapore,what do you think I'm going to be doing in the meantime? Keeping IJN in dry dock? Keeping my planes on training missions? Not to mention Mine Layers and submarines. Only an idiot would allow allied transports to come and go as they please.
By the way, you can't "starve" the DEI, PI, and Malay using the IJN. If you actually played WiTP, you'd understand this by now. There is something in the game called "resources". While they are needed by heavy industry, they also produce supply at the very place they are located at.
Gee, I didn't know that, thanks for pointing it out. So, what you are going to do is move troop transports past my navy and air force to any place you wish, and oil tankers past my navy and air force into places that don't have oil, and you have no islands that don't produce anough supply so that you dont have to move supply transports to them, please give me a break. You have to move things around and I'm going to stop you. You can't be strong everywhere.
You make assumptions that just aren't true. And you assume you are going up against an idiot.
Yes, some islands produce their own supplies, to a point. How many troops can they supply? Some islands have their own oil,but what about the ones that don't? And how do you move the oil out so that you can actually use it? For any given island, it takes a certain level of resources to produce enough supplies to support a large body of troops on the island. So, you are saying that the number of troops that can be supported is always sufficient to defend the island given the supplies that are produced, for every place you want to defend? And, you are further saying you can defend every base simultaneously, to avoid the situation that the Empire forces will take some bases on an isolated island and make supplying the troops there more and more difficult?
See, I think you are the one that doesn't know much about playing this game if you cannot keep the allies off balance for the few months it takes to finish the Russians.
Hirohito
You must beguile and confuse the enemy, disappearing and then reappearing at places and times inconvenient to him.
RE: would someone total the Russian resources and post it here?
ORIGINAL: Hirohito
How do you know how often I play hot seat? How do you know how often I have tested this? You are very arrogant and insulting about someone you know nothing about.
Fine, I withdraw my previous statement. Now please inform us how much hot seat you have played.
The reinforcements moved into the chinese coastal cities free up the divisions and mixed brigades there. What do you think I do with them? A few are sent to manchuko, where do you think the rest go? Let's see. How about for offensive operations in China? Gee, what a concept. I'm not going to give the Chinese any rest. It was never the plan to sit idle in china while Siberia is being taken out. Some of the troops are freed up from Siberia right away, mainly the ones taking out northern Sakhelin island and the base on the far east of siberia near the bering sea, and some of the troops in the vladisvostok operation. They move by ship to canton for immediate action against the chinese cities near canton.
You have't addressed my comments properly. One should always move these divisions aay from the coastal cities, whether you attack Siberia or not. You can't attack the Chinese if you send several units to Manchuria.
No, they won't. The force dispositions do not change the balance. Some divisions move to manchuko, others move from the coastal cities into the interior of china. The force dispositions are a wash.
How are they a "wash"? Players ALREADY move the coastal units into the interior. If you then send some interior units to Manchuria, you are down units. In my match against Zeta, I stripped every city to the minimum garrision needed.
They don't have many times as many resources. Speaking just of oil, you get 600 oil from russia/china. And you are assuming that you can keep ALL the oil production out of the Empire's hands after Russia falls. Are you saying that the allies can be strong EVERYWHERE after a few months?
Most of the oil in China can be gotten without attacking Siberia. That is the main point here. Sian and Lanchow are very easy to take. However, if you send several divisions to Manchuria, the Chinese player may have time to fortify these places properly.
Actually, I do quite well against the Allies submarines. It's not my fault if you don't know how to run ASW operations correctly.
Wow, more of Hirohito's "magical" tactics that he won't share with anyone else. [8|]
It isn't 9-12 months. Maybe YOU would take 9-12 months.
How long did it take you in your hotseat test to take out Siberia and China?
Gee, I didn't know that, thanks for pointing it out. So, what you are going to do is move troop transports past my navy and air force to any place you wish, and oil tankers past my navy and air force into places that don't have oil, and you have no islands that don't produce anough supply so that you dont have to move supply transports to them, please give me a break. You have to move things around and I'm going to stop you. You can't be strong everywhere.
There are plenty of islands that produce enough supply on their own. 1 resource point equals 1 supply point per day I believe. Places like Kendari always have access supply that needs to be shipped out.
See, I think you are the one that doesn't know much about playing this game if you cannot keep the allies off balance for the few months it takes to finish the Russians.
Maybe so but I have actually displayed some knowledge of how the nuts and bolts of the system work. Perhaps I am as dumb as you say, but why then is my knowledge of the WiTP system greater than yours? You are a strategic genius but not educated in WiTP reality.
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RE: would someone total the Russian resources and post it here?
If Hirohito had any sand in his pockets he'd test his plans in a PBEM game. If not, the guys is farting and words are coming out. Honestly, not planning on taking the SRA by March/April in favour of the Soviet Union (which will stay out of the conflict) is supremely flawed thinking. All the resources you need are there and if you do it quickly, you can destroy alot of units, setting any counterattack back by a lengthy amount of time. If you delay, you might run into a brick wall and be left with nothing appreciable gained by 1943, not a good situation.
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RE: would someone total the Russian resources and post it here?
Hirohito,
Are you sure you playe the game? I have taken many UNDEFENDED oil/resource bases and have had them devestated. Miri is almost always banged up. Same for Sorong. Why not go take a look at moses' AAR he has going. He is getting butchered.
But you will just say he is not doing it right. Your theory on Japan's army air force being able to defeat the Russian's air force is a farce. The LaGG-3 and Mig's are a match for even the Zero's. Those a/c gave the Germans fits in Europe.
Have you looked at the Russian units? They are not understrength Chinese units, they are almost even in strength to the Japanese divisions.
IF I can not move transports at will in and out of the SRA against you, prove it. Want my email address so you can send the turn? You have tried to discount every argument we tell you, but most of the people who are telling you that it more than likely not work are Japanese players. The heck with a surrogate player for you, get to a computer and PROVE it to me. Make me a believer in your dominance. I will gladly hand you your head on a platter.
Are you sure you playe the game? I have taken many UNDEFENDED oil/resource bases and have had them devestated. Miri is almost always banged up. Same for Sorong. Why not go take a look at moses' AAR he has going. He is getting butchered.
But you will just say he is not doing it right. Your theory on Japan's army air force being able to defeat the Russian's air force is a farce. The LaGG-3 and Mig's are a match for even the Zero's. Those a/c gave the Germans fits in Europe.
Have you looked at the Russian units? They are not understrength Chinese units, they are almost even in strength to the Japanese divisions.
IF I can not move transports at will in and out of the SRA against you, prove it. Want my email address so you can send the turn? You have tried to discount every argument we tell you, but most of the people who are telling you that it more than likely not work are Japanese players. The heck with a surrogate player for you, get to a computer and PROVE it to me. Make me a believer in your dominance. I will gladly hand you your head on a platter.
RE: would someone total the Russian resources and post it here?
1. Japan needs to augment it AF in Russia or it will suffer heavily. About three zero squadrens seems about right. 2 to fly long range CAP over the main attack location on a rotating basis. Another to fly cap and escort over the main JP bomber base. Nates and other fighters that start in Russia to be used to fly CAP over resourses and bases in Russia.
2. The troops in Russia are mutually self supporting and can be moved to any trouble spot very quickly. The forces in IMAM can get to Vladastok or B in about a weeks time. Unless the Russian is asleep there is no alternative to a large battle.
3.An invasion using 18 Divisions would of course be faster then my AAR. I suspect you could take B within a week. In this case I would take the northern 2/3 of my army and retreat into siberia. The rest of eastern russia would be lost but it would still take a month of so to mop it up. If Japan wants to chase me into Siberia now that will be interesting. Its a long way to go even if completely unopposed. Siberia gets 3000 supply per turn so as the russian gets deeper into the interiot his supply situation improves. Even if Japan wins there it will take monthsa and then more months to walk back.
2. The troops in Russia are mutually self supporting and can be moved to any trouble spot very quickly. The forces in IMAM can get to Vladastok or B in about a weeks time. Unless the Russian is asleep there is no alternative to a large battle.
3.An invasion using 18 Divisions would of course be faster then my AAR. I suspect you could take B within a week. In this case I would take the northern 2/3 of my army and retreat into siberia. The rest of eastern russia would be lost but it would still take a month of so to mop it up. If Japan wants to chase me into Siberia now that will be interesting. Its a long way to go even if completely unopposed. Siberia gets 3000 supply per turn so as the russian gets deeper into the interiot his supply situation improves. Even if Japan wins there it will take monthsa and then more months to walk back.
RE: would someone total the Russian resources and post it here?
Once it is clear that all SRA divisions are in russia counterattacks will begin in Malyasia and China. Troops cannot be shifted back quickly for counterattack, it will take months.
RE: would someone total the Russian resources and post it here?
ORIGINAL: moses
Once it is clear that all SRA divisions are in russia counterattacks will begin in Malyasia and China. Troops cannot be shifted back quickly for counterattack, it will take months.
The troops that have taken Okha, the lone base on the bering straight, and Vladisvostok and surrounding area can be moved back by ship almost immediately.
Hirohito
You must beguile and confuse the enemy, disappearing and then reappearing at places and times inconvenient to him.
RE: would someone total the Russian resources and post it here?
ORIGINAL: 2ndACR
Hirohito,
Are you sure you playe the game? I have taken many UNDEFENDED oil/resource bases and have had them devestated. Miri is almost always banged up. Same for Sorong. Why not go take a look at moses' AAR he has going. He is getting butchered.
But you will just say he is not doing it right. Your theory on Japan's army air force being able to defeat the Russian's air force is a farce. The LaGG-3 and Mig's are a match for even the Zero's. Those a/c gave the Germans fits in Europe.
Have you looked at the Russian units? They are not understrength Chinese units, they are almost even in strength to the Japanese divisions.
IF I can not move transports at will in and out of the SRA against you, prove it. Want my email address so you can send the turn? You have tried to discount every argument we tell you, but most of the people who are telling you that it more than likely not work are Japanese players. The heck with a surrogate player for you, get to a computer and PROVE it to me. Make me a believer in your dominance. I will gladly hand you your head on a platter.
I'm going to new york on thanksgiving, I will get my computer then, then I will shut you people up.
But, I'm not going to let anyone know which strategy they face. I'll take on four opponents using four different strategies, you won't know which one you face.
Let's make it interesting. Say $1 per VP?
Hirohito
You must beguile and confuse the enemy, disappearing and then reappearing at places and times inconvenient to him.
RE: would someone total the Russian resources and post it here?
You will have to get there fast, I am waiting on orders for Iraq.
RE: would someone total the Russian resources and post it here?
Ohka can be taken with a NLF. It is irrelevant. AFTER you've taken Vladastok sure then you can load troops. It will take about a month to load and then cruise to Malaya. Its not immediate.
I have plenty of warning. It will take till Jan to get all SRA divisions into position. The three divisions in Malaya, the unit in Hanoi, and the Hong Kong division can't all be loaded on turn one. The Chinese divisions take time to get into place.
My invasion of malaya is low risk. If you send a bunch of divisions back to cut me off and destroy me thats OK. Now your russian operation fails and you've only destroyed my Singapore army a month or two behind scheduale.
In China and Malaya it is not neccessary for me to take great chunks of territory. I just want to inflict casualties, burn supplies, and force you to send a few units back.
I have plenty of warning. It will take till Jan to get all SRA divisions into position. The three divisions in Malaya, the unit in Hanoi, and the Hong Kong division can't all be loaded on turn one. The Chinese divisions take time to get into place.
My invasion of malaya is low risk. If you send a bunch of divisions back to cut me off and destroy me thats OK. Now your russian operation fails and you've only destroyed my Singapore army a month or two behind scheduale.
In China and Malaya it is not neccessary for me to take great chunks of territory. I just want to inflict casualties, burn supplies, and force you to send a few units back.
RE: would someone total the Russian resources and post it here?
ORIGINAL: moses
3.An invasion using 18 Divisions would of course be faster then my AAR. I suspect you could take B within a week. In this case I would take the northern 2/3 of my army and retreat into siberia. The rest of eastern russia would be lost but it would still take a month of so to mop it up. If Japan wants to chase me into Siberia now that will be interesting. Its a long way to go even if completely unopposed. Siberia gets 3000 supply per turn so as the russian gets deeper into the interiot his supply situation improves. Even if Japan wins there it will take monthsa and then more months to walk back.
This is what I was thinking. Fight for a while and then do a slow withdraw. Make sure you keep the Russian force intact and they can live off that supply in the interior. The Japanese then have to send tons of divisions to destroy that. Barring that, they'll have to keep a lot of divisions on garrison duty to keep watch over this force.
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
RE: would someone total the Russian resources and post it here?
The only problem is if you're forced to retreat from B I suspect you will be sent south. (To bad you can't control the retreat path). In that case I'm not sure you can get your force north and you may have to fight to the death. For this reason I think the Russian should send all forces in the Imam area and even some from Vladastok immediately to B to make sure this spot doesn't fall. Its better to be defeated in Vladastok and let Japan fight his way north.
RE: would someone total the Russian resources and post it here?
So I opened up my PBEN game and find I am the unwitting subject for this strategy.. Curse you Grraven! considering what has been said in this thread by many of the Matrix Veterans what are some good counter Strategies to hold the Japanese? Is it worth trying to hold Vlad? any suggestions to this rather suprised Allied player?
RE: would someone total the Russian resources and post it here?
I am the unwitting subject for this strategy
Congratulations, you should win the war by 1943.
RE: would someone total the Russian resources and post it here?
ORIGINAL: sveint
I am the unwitting subject for this strategy
Congratulations, you should win the war by 1943.
You show how little you know about this game if you think that. If the japanese player makes sure to cut off the russian forces from each other and from supply which is quite easy.
You must beguile and confuse the enemy, disappearing and then reappearing at places and times inconvenient to him.