uv & WITP ! NOT FINNISHED

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[2ndACR]

ORIGINAL: freeboy

Zeta 16 and I are approaching 12 01 42 in one day turns !

Me and Ron would have been in mid 1943 by now if the bug did not hit us.

[2ndACR]

ORIGINAL: worr

ORIGINAL: 2ndACR
I think me and Ron made it the farthest in a PBEM on 1 day turns before a bug bit me in the butt and basically killed our game. We made it to July-Aug 1942 by averaging 6 turns per day.

What killed it?

I've had players allow turning back the clock to avoid anything serious.

In the war room on page 2 there is a thread started by Ron S. titled "has the LCU movement bug been diagnosed yet" that explains what brought us to a screeching halt. I hate going into it again. Just too painful and pisses me off.

We would have turned back the clock, but we both neglected to backup for at least a month of game time and that is just way too far back to repeat everything.

[2ndACR]

ORIGINAL: madflava13

I'm a self-confessed Matrix/2by3 Fanboy...
But regardless, what are you guys complaining about? Have you EVER seen a game so detailed, so large and so complex? I haven't... Maybe the Falcon series was. In a game of this scope, there will be bugs that slip through. There are bugs in EVERY game I've ever played except maybe Tetris. For there to be so few bugs (and no game killers that I've heard about) in such a huge project when much simpler games are riddled says something to me about the quality of Witp. The support is outstanding as well. Maybe 1.4 will be the last patch, I don't know. But the fact that we are getting a 1.4 says something as well. I bought Hearts of Iron - not to start that debate up, but there's (sadly) an example of how poor support has become these days. 2by3 and Matrix stand behind their products and definitely bust their ass to put out good games. They always have fixed problems that come up. No one is ever going to be 100% happy because we all have things we'd like to see added. But this is as close to perfect as we're ever going to get, IMHO.

I say stop complaining. Take a step back and look at what we have. Tell me where you can find a similar product, with similar support, and then I'll listen to the complaints. Nothing will ever be perfect in a game this size. Let's be realistic and stop nit-picking...

And no, I was not paid to write that, but I wish I was!

BTR was very complex and it too had its flaws and bugs. But GG (as far as I can tell) let JC have access to the source code so he could continue work on it. And to this day it is still alive on my HD. But for the price that was paid and to be slamming into killer bugs that wipe out (basically) a hard fought 3 month long PBEM, doing 6-7 turns per day gives me the right to raise all the heck I want.

If the Devs/Matrix want the complaining to end, then start answering some questions and respond to some of these complaints. As long as they are silent about what they are doing, I for one will bitch.

[madflava13]

ACR -
I understand... If you've had problems, then certainly bitching is appropriate. I think overall the experience has been positive for most people. I just don't know of any widespread bugs that are killing PBEMs - although as you said, your mileage may vary.
By the way - I love BTR. Perhaps one day GG will release the code to WiTP as well - probably not anytime soon, but I love what JC has done with BTR and I think it was a wise decision to release it in that situation.

For everyone wondering about the Paraguayan quote - It's from "Spies Like Us". Chevy Chase is a minor functionary at the State Dept. holding a press conference. I think it's one of the funniest scenes in any movie - but then again, I think that entire movie is hilarious. Check it out if you haven't seen it.

[Grunty]

don't get me wrong..... I think the game is great (or even unique)..but it pisses me off that there are important issues and many possibilities that a bug can destroy your game... of course I won't restart now that I'm in 1943... but for one reason I don't like that in 1944 enemy kamikazes will wreck half of my fleet (completely unhistoricaly) just because some programer forgot to set CAP protection for kamikazes....surely it will change the game completely (I can't imagine invading Japan with this thing not repaired).. So Oleg it's not such a minor issue like you said..it's not just for some unit names or date of arrival... WitP is possibly most complex and detailed but definitely not finished game....

[madflava13]

The Kamikaze issue was resolved in 1.4, correct?
I understand the hassle of restarting if you're in 1943 already though...

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: madflava13

The Kamikaze issue was resolved in 1.4, correct?
I understand the hassle of restarting if you're in 1943 already though...

Huh? Do you mean ver 1.4 will resolve it? Or do you mean 1.3 DID resolve it. If the latter, see below:

Problems reported with Kamikazes are :
1. Okhas apparently don't work.
2. Since putting up a CAP at night will apparently cause game to crash to desktop, kamikazes are free to roam at night and cause mass destruction. Don't know if the AI does this (attack at night with Kamikazes) though, as I haven't gotten that far.

[joey]

ORIGINAL: madflava13

ACR -
I understand... If you've had problems, then certainly bitching is appropriate. I think overall the experience has been positive for most people. I just don't know of any widespread bugs that are killing PBEMs - although as you said, your mileage may vary.
By the way - I love BTR. Perhaps one day GG will release the code to WiTP as well - probably not anytime soon, but I love what JC has done with BTR and I think it was a wise decision to release it in that situation.

For everyone wondering about the Paraguayan quote - It's from "Spies Like Us". Chevy Chase is a minor functionary at the State Dept. holding a press conference. I think it's one of the funniest scenes in any movie - but then again, I think that entire movie is hilarious. Check it out if you haven't seen it.

I, too, loved BTR. What is this about JC doing something to BTR? Where can I go to find this out? Is there a new update or patch file available?

[USSMaine]

I, too, loved BTR. What is this about JC doing something to BTR? Where can I go to find this out? Is there a new update or patch file available?

For the BTR lovers out and about try this: http://pub103.ezboard.com/bbtrbombingthereich

[madflava13]

Ahh... I meant 1.3... Not 1.4 as I posted. And I was unaware of the nighttime CAP CTD.

For BTR, go here: http://p081.ezboard.com/bbtrbombingthereich

You have to register to become a member of the forum, but you can all sorts of exe and OOB patches that make BTR not only playable, but also a helluva game...

[joey]

Thanks to the both of you. I am trying to register now. It seems to take awhile. I would love to see what they have done with BTR.

[madflava13]

If you go to the General Discussion forum, there's a thread in there on BTR - Some people have offered to send the updates to people waiting on their registrations to go through. That might be an option too, as it can take a few days to get registered. I'd send them to you if I still had BTR on the Hard Drive... Took it off for WiTP though!

[joey]

Both games are life consuming aren't they? I can not count the amount of time I have spent on each of them. But I bet my wife can!! Thanks for you offer. I got registered a few minutes ago. Boy is there a lot of information there.

[USSMaine]

ORIGINAL: joey

Both games are life consuming aren't they? I can not count the amount of time I have spent on each of them. But I bet my wife can!! Thanks for you offer. I got registered a few minutes ago. Boy is there a lot of information there.

Lots of info there and more forthcoming all the time. And BTR has taken up more of my life than even PacWar... sigh. Fortunately I met my gf after my PacWar days [;)]

[joey]

PACWAR took many months of my life, but USAAF and North Atlantic 86 from SSI took more time than any time since. I think kids have a lot to do with that. The information overload on the BTR site is incrediable. I was simply looking for an date to the game. I found everthing else but that.