similarities

[Thorgrim]

In recons:

Fire Fly / Locust : Fire Fly should probably go.
Dagger / Pest : Dagger should probably go.
Mosquito / Shadow / Zealot : Mosquito should probably go.
Club / Stinger / Zealot : Stinger should probably go.

[Sleeping_Dragon]

Thanks, will look into these... any suggestions on 'fixes' or replacements?

[Sleeping_Dragon]

Suggestions/Ideas:


Fire Fly / Locust : Fire Fly goes to a PL + 2 FTs, at least the name wold fit better now [:D]

Dagger / Pest : Dagger goes to PL + 2 SLs.. now looks like possible Firefly[:(] grrrr...

Mosquito / Shadow / Zealot : Mosquito, Goes to 2 HMG, gets renamed.. similiar to the Fang, but no recon currently packs 2 HMGs, would make a good comparision titan maybe?

Club / Stinger / Zealot : Stinger should probably go. Agreed, but to what? can trade the armor of the Stinger to go to 3 AC4s, but still looks like the Zealot, or can strip it down to the bare bones and give it a BC6 and a nice scanner so it can have a very good 'to-hit' like I did with the Lancer?


Is there any recon titans I missed/overlooked that I didn't include with the beta extended database that I should have another look at?

[Thorgrim]

ORIGINAL: Sleeping_Dragon
Fire Fly / Locust : Fire Fly goes to a PL + 2 FTs, at least the name wold fit better now [:D]

Yep, that was my initial thought too [:)] It reduces the number of skills to 2.

Mosquito / Shadow / Zealot : Mosquito, Goes to 2 HMG, gets renamed.. similiar to the Fang, but no recon currently packs 2 HMGs, would make a good comparision titan maybe?

HMGs have a high reload time, not sure it's a good idea for recons to rely on them.


BTW, in your database, the Guantlet should be called Gauntlet.

[Thorgrim]

PL + 2FTs:

a) lower engine by one: downside is PL won't recharge while running
b) drop JPs: out of the question IMO, they're good for closing in (and getting the PL to recharge), and a Fire Fly that can't fly...
c) lower BC to 1
d) drop flares, lower BC by 1, lower armor to 13 (14 CT)
e) drop flares, lower BC by 2, shave off a couple of APs

[Sleeping_Dragon]

ORIGINAL: Thorgrim

PL + 2FTs:

a) lower engine by one: downside is PL won't recharge while running
b) drop JPs: out of the question IMO, they're good for closing in (and getting the PL to recharge), and a Fire Fly that can't fly...
c) lower BC to 1
d) drop flares, lower BC by 1, lower armor to 13 (14 CT)
e) drop flares, lower BC by 2, shave off a couple of APs

yep, option b is out of the question[:D] so are a and c IMO

I went with option d, then rearranged the weapons and armor to get rid of the Dularoy in the torsos, end up with 16 in CT, 15 in RT and LT, 14 in LoT, and 9 in CBT, 13 in the arms and legs.

Gauntlet spelling corrected.

still thinking on the other recons

[Thorgrim]

Mediums:

Algol - I'd take a Cataphract
Katana - Lehr Magnus, Deforcer
Phobos - Beast, Crucible
Scarab - Forge

[Sleeping_Dragon]

hmmm...

Can't come up with anything for the Algol/Cataphact similarity. Any thoughts? If not, it can slide, some people seem to like the lots of little damage designs. May work better in a team then the Cataphract and the extra range could be handy for larger maps (if anyone plays them).. wish it would hold a little more ammo though.

Phobos.. similiar, but it uses the possible EMP/FT combo, the twin VCs are nice and can work in combo with the FTs too. think I'll let it slide for now. (Don't want to get rid of anything that uses an EMP) Sidenote: reworked the Beast a bit to give it some more armor.

Scarab... switched out the SL for 2MGs and a PX, the close range weapons gives it a little more distinction, enough that it wouldn't mind a round of fisticuffs.

Katana.. way tooo close, can't believe I didn't spot that one myself. Major re-work. Katana now wields 2NBs, a CS, and a PX. Playtests with it were pretty rude [:D]

[aquietfrog]

Could you post that version of the Dagger you mentioned in your AAR? I'm rather interested.

[Coyote27]

ORIGINAL: Thorgrim


BTW, in your database, the Guantlet should be called Gauntlet.

that reminds me, my "Yazuka" design should be named Yakuza instead. $%&^$* typos

[Sleeping_Dragon]

Here's the version of the Dagger I'm using in my AAR. It's not much more then a ML+2SL, a BC6, and a scanner5, but that scanner with it's longer ID range and VH and the good 'to-hits' from the BC6 are awesome for rookie jocks and more then makes up for it's lack of overall firepower IMO . It is more then likely going to be the 'new' version in my next 'extended database'. If you feel more daring then myself you can thin the armor down and fit in a scanner6, but it's such a short range titan any more thinning of the armor would be too much IMO. On the other hand, the AI don't seem to find this titan a primary threat and will shoot at other titans if the modifiers are the same. In the AARs the order the AI seemed to like to pick on my titans was: Tantrum, Dragonfly, and then the Dagger. The small engine also makes it a titan that does best when it's not moving (note in my AARs how often I just park it in cover with the Dragonfly), it just don't have the power to move and fire effeciently.

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 Titan Name: Dagger                Close Combat Recon Titan
 Chassis: Cyber C-R2               Design: Vicious Byte  
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 Weight: 40.0t (40t maximum)       Height     : 7 [meter]
 Bmt   : 17 (70 kph)               Reduce Heat: -2.24C/sec.
 No Jump Ports                     Cost       : 100941($)
 
 
 Equipment:
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 Component/Type/Location
 
 Engine  : Triton T2 [Engine 2] [CT  ]
 HeatReg.: Teflin      [Heat 3]
 LifeSup.: Livotto     [Life 1] [Head]
 Scanner : Mark M-S   [Scan. 5] [CBT ]
 Computer: Mark BC-X  [Comp. 6] [RT  ]
 
 
 Weapons:
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 Location/Weapon/Ammunition/Slots
 
 [RA  ]  MEDIUM LASER        
 [LA  ]  SMALL LASER         
 [LT  ]  SMALL LASER         
 
 
 Armor:
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 Loc/Internal/Armor/Status/Points/mm
 
 [Head] (09) Dullaroy  HMAX 014 [021mm]
 [RT  ] (13) Dullaroy  (W)  015 [022mm]
 [CT  ] (17) Vicenium  (W)  016 [027mm]
 [CBT ] (11) Vicenium  (W)  009 [015mm]
 [LT  ] (13) Vicenium  (W)  015 [025mm]
 [RA  ] (13) Vicenium  (W)  015 [025mm]
 [LA  ] (13) Vicenium  (W)  014 [024mm]
 [LowT] (11) Vicenium  (W)  015 [025mm]
 [RL  ] (13) Millenia  (W)  015 [030mm]
 [LL  ] (13) Millenia  (W)  015 [030mm]
 
 Armor Index:   6.73 [Total APts/T]
 Internal:    126  [APts]
 External:    143  [APts]   Max:[033mm]
 Total Armor: 269  [APts]
 
 
 JOCK requirements:
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 Piloting: Recon Titan                      
 Weapons : Energy                           
 Warfare : Scanner                          
 Skills  : Medic                
 

[Sleeping_Dragon]

ORIGINAL: Coyote27
that reminds me, my "Yazuka" design should be named Yakuza instead. $%&^$* typos

I feel your pian...pain[:D]

[Thorgrim]

Heavies:

Ember: to make it more distinct from the Blaze, it now looks like the Salamander

Man-o'-War: changes made it look like the Chameleon

Hephaestus: similar to the Gladiator

Guardian: the GME makes it look like the Beholder

[Coyote27]

ORIGINAL: Thorgrim

Mediums:

Algol - I'd take a Cataphract

Or this (its replacement)?



Titan Name: Altair Long Range Medium Titan
Chassis: Krios K-M3 Design: Coyote
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Weight: 100.0t (100t maximum) Height : 11 [meter]
Bmt : 26 (46 kph) Reduce Heat: -2.76C/sec.
No Jump Ports Cost : 237310($)


Equipment:
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Component/Type/Location

Engine : Triton T2 [Engine 2] [CBT ]
HeatReg.: Delinit H4 [Heat 4]
Flares : FL Large [Flare2] [Head]
LifeSup.: Livotto [Life 1] [Head]
Scanner : CyberSys L [Scan. 3] [Head]
Computer: Mark BC-X [Comp. 6] [CT ]
E.C.M. : CyberSys [E.C.M. 3] [CT ]


Weapons:
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Location/Weapon/Ammunition/Slots

[RT ] G.M.H. 4 RACK (016) [2]
[LT ] G.M.H. 2 RACK (032) [2]
[RA ] HEAVY MESON GUN (020) [2]
[LA ] HEAVY MESON GUN (020) [2]


Armor:
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Loc/Internal/Armor/Status/Points/mm

[Head] (13) Dullaroy (W) 020 [029mm]
[RT ] (23) Dullaroy (S) 032 [047mm]
[CT ] (23) Millenia MAX 036 [072mm]
[CBT ] (15) Vicenium (W) 018 [030mm]
[LT ] (23) Vicenium (W) 034 [057mm]
[RA ] (21) Vicenium (W) 034 [057mm]
[LA ] (21) Vicenium (W) 034 [057mm]
[LowT] (15) Vicenium (W) 035 [059mm]
[RL ] (19) Millenia MAX 036 [072mm]
[LL ] (19) Millenia MAX 036 [072mm]

Armor Index: 5.07 [Total APts/T]
Internal: 192 [APts]
External: 315 [APts] Max:[072mm]
Total Armor: 507 [APts]


JOCK requirements:
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Piloting: Medium Titan
Weapons : G.M. Cannon
Warfare : Defense Scanner Warfare(ECM)
Skills : Medic Ind.Fire