ORIGINAL: Philbass
(2) Is there any thought to showing the German U-boats that turn up in Penang (Georgetown) in 1943/1944? Again, this occupied significant British air and naval resources in that time. Of course we'd probably have to have a house rule that they could only be deployed in the Indian Ocean. It would also restrict the SEAC Liberator and Catalina squadrons to ASW patrol, and force the use of Brit destroyers for convoys until this threat was dealt with (historically by mining Penang harbour).
I added a list of these subs in one of the old OOB suggestion threads. The problem as I see it is that these subs really should be a separate nationality (i.e German). There are spare nationality slots in the data, but I have no idea if they would be treated as Axis or Allied. If the subs are simply made "Japanese' instead then they are really just another handful of subs. Another problem is that they only made a few sorties as they had a critical shortage of supplies, such as torpedoes. Some experimentation is required if any serious thought is given to adding the U boats. This one qualifies as "chrome" for sure.
Information about my WitP map, and CHS, can be found on my WitP website
Philbass. What resources do you have access to regarding Canadian and other Dominion merchant fleets operations in the Pacific during WW2? Hopefully you can help fill a huge vacuum here.
Ron,
Alas I have nothing on the Canadian and other Dominion merchant fleets at home (to tell the truth I don't have too many sources - I just have access to very good lending libraries for military history)
(1)I will have a look at the British official history: Behrens, C. B. A (1955) Merchant Shipping and the Demands of War (London: HMSO) as a first stop when I get back to work. It won't have individual ships, but may give tonnage and port capacities etc. This may be a start
A quick search reveals: Halford, Robert G (1995) The Unknown Navy: Canada's World War II Merchant Navy (Ontario: Vanwell Pub) as a possible source for bibliographies and sources of ship lists etc. Its only 272 pages - I can have a look at the copy in the British Library next Monday if you think it would be worth it. Its probably focussed on the Battle of the Atlantic. I'll report back when I done that if you want.
As for the other Dominions, well my Fleet train data shows which flag/nationality the ships in that were.
(2) In the National Archives/Public Record Office, the Pink Lists and the Red Lists (updated twice weekly) show the location (by port) of all British and Allied warships - including Royal Fleet Auxillary and minor war vessels. I'm not sure if there is a merchant ship equivalent (War time version of the Lloyds List). But I'm not too keen on searching those lists unless absolutely necessary...would be time consuming!
(3) To be honest this sort of research for merchant shipping normally requires going to the records of the Shipping lines themselves and is specialist task.
Sorry if thisn't much of an answer, but the best I can do right now.
Regards,
Philip Bass
Plan followed plan in swift procession,
Commanders went; commanders came,
While telegrams in quick succession
Arrived to douse or fan the flame
That's on my favorites list. Lenton also gives carrier complements in a more convient form by listing each carrier's airgroup at various times. Both of them then to slip on the actual model. Sometimes Corsair, sometimes Corsair IV, etc.
Now, who do I have to convince around here to allow 618 Mosquito squadron (should be placed in Australia not Ceylon) to use the Highball anti-shipping weapon (it was a variant of Barnes Wallis's bouncing bomb - orginally planned to be used against the Tirpitz)? Cue the 'Dambusters March...' It could be used in port attacks as a low accuracy/high penetration skip bombing attack. The weapon did actually work (of a kind) and therefore arguably has a place in a historical scenario. It would give the Japanese fanboys a fright as they see their precious Yamato class battleships get crippled in a supposedly safe anchorage. Fun for all.
This is a good question. I guess it's just a bomb and could be modeled that way. Any idea on specs.
(2) Is there any thought to showing the German U-boats that turn up in Penang (Georgetown) in 1943/1944? Again, this occupied significant British air and naval resources in that time. Of course we'd probably have to have a house rule that they could only be deployed in the Indian Ocean. It would also restrict the SEAC Liberator and Catalina squadrons to ASW patrol, and force the use of Brit destroyers for convoys until this threat was dealt with (historically by mining Penang harbour).
I've seen some reference to it on the forum but I, personally, have not done anything about it. Anyone else?
(3) I suppose that midget submarines are out, given the coding preventing sub attacks on ports over a certain size? Otherwise we could add in the Brit X-craft (which unlike the Jap midgets did actually sink targets - TAKAO in Singapore Harbour in July 1945). Would also be fun.
I do believe midget subs have been brought up several times and are a dead issue.
(4) What about different types of Japanese barges? If you've seen: Parillo, Mark (1993) The Japanese Merchant Marine in World War II (Annapolis: Naval Institute Press) then it discusses the several different versions the Japanese built - would also be fun to model. Is this doable? I seem to remember that the allies get two types of barges when you press the 'Create Barges' button
We're modeling the Japanese Sea Truck, type SD. (See Parillo, Page 182). These were 300 ton small merchant ships based on trawlers. Japan had hundreds of them and they actually had names. We are giving then numbers (SD-1, etc) and modeling them as barges so they re-appear when lost. Don't know how many, Japanese slots are tight, but we are generally stealing dihatsu slots for them.
Sorry if this all sounds like crome and detail for the sake of it...then yes it is, but I'm full of illness at the moment and am probably tripping on codeine.
Regards,
Phil Bass
Don't worry. Two days ago I would have said my retirement money was in the stock market. Now it looks like the stock market is in my retirement money.
The Highball weighed 1,280 lb and packed with 600 lb explosives (I'm guessing Torpex with its greater explosive power). Each Mosquito could carry two of these. Release height was 60ft (Yikes).
Alas we'd probably have to create a special device slot for the 618 Mosquitos that launched these as the length of time for the special training required would mean there would be no replacements.
Regards
Phil Bass
Plan followed plan in swift procession,
Commanders went; commanders came,
While telegrams in quick succession
Arrived to douse or fan the flame
The Japanese have enough destroyers already to carry troops if they needed them. The Momi's should stay DEs since the Japanese knew they were not large enough to carry much.
The game can not tell the difference between a large destroyer and Momi so the Momi's could carry the full load any other destroyer can carry, which is incorrect.
The Momi's were officially PB's or DE's.
Mike
The Momi's capacity is only 150. Doesn't the game take into account the capacity when figuring the load?
Leave them as DE's. That is what I use them for when I first got the game. Better ASW weapons than regular escorts. I do not even use the APD's for fast transport, they are not fast enough. I use DD's for that. At least they can get out of enemy air cover by day break. The APD's always get caught and plastered by air power.
I use the regular APD's in Lemurs mod as convoy escorts and for invasion force escorts. They have decent AA ratings and ASW ratings for this.
Leave them as DE's. That is what I use them for when I first got the game. Better ASW weapons than regular escorts. I do not even use the APD's for fast transport, they are not fast enough. I use DD's for that. At least they can get out of enemy air cover by day break. The APD's always get caught and plastered by air power.
I use the regular APD's in Lemurs mod as convoy escorts and for invasion force escorts. They have decent AA ratings and ASW ratings for this.
Heyho,Hoss! This is supposed to be a historical mod, not a what would be best for Japan for game purposes mod.[8D] Just don't upgrade it when the option comes, if at all.
Yammas from The Apo-Tiki Lounge. Future site of WITP AE benders! And then the s--t hit the fan
Don,
Now that is what i am talking about! High speed oilers! How does it look stat and class wise? Are we going to be able to fit them in?
Herrbear,
If we made the Momi's APD's we could set theircap at 150, but a destroyers cap is automatically 200. No matter the size. Trust me, i tried to mod it and ended up with destroyers carrying 150 aircraft!
I still feel that because the Momi's were officially designated as DE's before the war and the Minekaze's as APD's we should leave it that way. You are arguing over a very minor lift capacity that was used like twice in the entire war.
The Japanese have enough destroyers already to carry troops if they needed them. The Momi's should stay DEs since the Japanese knew they were not large enough to carry much.
The game can not tell the difference between a large destroyer and Momi so the Momi's could carry the full load any other destroyer can carry, which is incorrect.
The Momi's were officially PB's or DE's.
Mike
Momis were historically used to transport troops. In WITP DEs can't be used to transport troops; APDs can. Also, Morison states that they were "converted along lines similar to our APDs" (History of the United States Naval Operations in World War II, Volume IV; pg 89)
So, you are basically arguing about what the ship is called? There is no difference in the ships at all. As far as I can tell, they are equipped the same, Lemurs just changed their designation.
But, it really does not matter to me. I do not use the crappy Japanese APD's for fast transport anyway.
Because they are not fast at all. I use them as ASW, convoy escorts anyway.
Don,
Now that is what i am talking about! High speed oilers! How does it look stat and class wise? Are we going to be able to fit them in?
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Mike
We'll get them in for sure. Also some large, fast ex-liners as transports. The general number of merchants will increase and there will be some switching - we're going to pull out the captured ships. We are going to rework the merchants (both Japanese and Allied) for class variety and to include a few unusual ships. The Japanese will gain 125 or so Type A Standard Cargo Ships (the Japanese Liberty Ship). Also special effort to include individual ships used in initial operations (both sides). Many existing (in scenario 15) ships will get reclassed.
Most of the Japanese warships are already in. We don’t have room to fully expand the smaller classes (PC, aux PC/SC/AM) but we will get a representation of most of them. We are going to loose the Japanese PTs but we will gain the Japanese Landing ships (Type ES, T-1, T-101).
I'll have the icons for Japanese Freighters done in a day or so and will begin outlining class details. Expect posts of the new classes to begin this week in the Ship Data thread. A day or two more (each) for Japanese Tankers, Japanese Passenger ships, a few Japanese Warships. Allied Merchants are nearly done, another day or two (or three) there too.
Many of the icons are not-the-best and some have scaling problems, but they are serviceable. We can come back and clean them up later.
Of the 2999 available Japanese Ship slots, we expect to use 2999. I believe we will have enough Japanese Class slots. Depending on availability we may or may not provide mid-war AA upgrades for the new merchant classes.
So, you are basically arguing about what the ship is called? There is no difference in the ships at all. As far as I can tell, they are equipped the same, Lemurs just changed their designation.
But, it really does not matter to me. I do not use the crappy Japanese APD's for fast transport anyway.
Because they are not fast at all. I use them as ASW, convoy escorts anyway.
DEs and APDs are different in WITP; DEs can't be for transport. They can be assigned to a fast trans TF, but they have no ability to carry units. Since they were designed and used as fast transports, then, if historic accuracy is an issue, then they should be APDs. I didn't bring this up to ruffle anyone's feathers; I just found a bit of information that I thought might be useful in designing the new mod.
ps. btw, we agree on what they are called. PB# is correct.
The Momi's were NOT rebuilt to be APD's. They were used in a very limited fashion as APD's in emergencies.
The Momi's and Minkaze's were looked at near the same time for coversion to APD's and the Momis were found to be too small for the role so they were instead converted to ASW PB's.
For an added example, Both sides used cruisers to carry troops fairly regularly; should we relable cruisers APD's?
In reality any ship could, in an emergency, carry some troops or supplies. What we are doing is classing ships on their planned role when built or rebuilt.
I understand what you are saying Bstarr, but do you actually use these ships as fast transports or do you use regular fast DD's for this?
A DD can carry just as much as the APD's and are faster to boot. Makes no real difference to me, I will use them as DE's anyway. Their ASW suites rock compared to other Japanese ships.
I'm not trying to sway any decision, because you guys are like Einstein compared to me. But, APD's are very useful in transport task forces. They will bring along a little bit of supply, troops, etc. DD's in a transport task force only escort, they don't carry supply as well.
In a fast transport role, DD's and APD's are almost interchangeable. (DD's tend to be a little better). So, when I'm looking at transport escorts, I try to use APD's, since they carry supply AND escort the merchies.
I'd probably agree with Lemurs regarding the Japanese APD's. It seems you know what you're talking about. If the Momi's were labeled ad APD's, then they'd be moving a lot of troops and supplies when used in transport task forces. Unfortunately, they won't carry troops when in a fast transport role, but that seems to be better than the other option.
The Momi's were NOT rebuilt to be APD's. They were used in a very limited fashion as APD's in emergencies.
The Momi's and Minkaze's were looked at near the same time for coversion to APD's and the Momis were found to be too small for the role so they were instead converted to ASW PB's.
Mike
yet they were used to transport troops in the midway campaign. If the goal is to give the player all the historical options possible, then these vessels should be allowed to carry troops. If fact, they were used exactly like WITP APDs, since APDs are the only DD sized unit able to carry units in a Transport Fleet. Keep in mind that there are no rules hindering using an APD from operating as an ASW platform with every bit as effectiveness as a DE.
bs
12/41
Max. Speed – 34
Endurance – 4700
Fuel – 482 Armament
6 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 2 twin turret R] (12mm turret armor)
4 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [ 2 twin mounts C]
2 x 13.2mm Type 93 AAMG [1 twin mount C]
9 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (12 torps) [3 triple mounts C] Correct ammo c an be modeled this way
Wpn 4 – 06 (turrets -3) C, Ammo – 1
Wpn 5 – 03 (turrets -3) C, Ammo – 2
2 x Type 95 Depth Charge (18 dc)
5/42
6 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 2 twin turret R] 8 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [2 triple mounts R/LS + 1 twin mount F]
2 x 13.2mm Type 93 AAMG [1 twin mount C]
9 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (12 torps) [3 triple mounts C]
2 x Type 95 Depth Charge (18 dc)
5/43 4 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 1 twin turret R]
14 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [2 triple mounts R + 2 triple L/RS + 1 twin mount F ]
4 x 13.2mm Type 93 AAMG [ 1 twin mount LS + 1 twin mount RS ]
9 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (12 torps) [3 triple mounts C] 4 x Type 2 Depth Charge (36 dc)
6/44
4 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 1 twin turret R] 20 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [2 triple mounts R + 4 triple mounts L/RS + 1 twin mount F ]
4 x 13.2mm Type 93 AAMG [ 1 twin mount LS + 1 twin mount RS ]
9 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (12 torps) [3 triple mounts C] 2 x Type 2 Depth Charge (R, 18 dc)
2 x Type 3 Depth Charge (C, 18 dc)
1 x Type 13 Radar
1 x Type 22 Radar
AKATSUKI
12/41
Endurance – 4700
Fuel – 490 Armament
6 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [1 twin turret F + 2 twin turret R] (12mm turret armor)
4 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [ 2 twin mounts C]
2 x 13.2mm Type 93 AAMG [2 mounts C]
9 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (12 torps) [3 triple mounts C]
2 x Type 95 Depth Charge (18 dc)
4/43 4 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 1 twin turret R]
14 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [2 triple mounts R + 2 triple mounts R/LS + 1 twin mount F ]
2 x 13.2mm Type 93 AAMG [1 twin mount C]
9 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (12 torps) [3 triple mounts C] 4 x Type 2 Depth Charge (36 dc)
1/44
4 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 1 twin turret R] 20 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [2 triple mounts R + 4 triple mounts R/LS + 1 twin mount F ]
2 x 13.2mm Type 93 AAMG [1 twin mount C]
9 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (12 torps) [3 triple mounts C]
4 x Type 2 Depth Charge (36 dc) 1 x Type 22 Radar
1/45
4 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 1 twin turret R] 25 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [2 triple, 2 single R + 4 triple mounts R/LS + 1 triple, 2 single F]
9 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (12 torps) [3 triple mounts C] 4 x Type 3 Depth Charge (36 dc)
1 x Type 13 Radar
1 x Type 22 Radar
HATSUHARU
12/41
Max. speed – 33
Endurance – 5800 (15kts)
Fuel – 465 tons Armament
5 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [1 twin turret F + 1 single turret C + 1 twin turret R ]
4 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [ 2 twin mounts C]
6 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (9 torps) [2 triple mounts C] Correct ammo can be modeled this way
Wpn 5 – 03 (turrets -3) C, Ammo – 1
Wpn 6 – 03 (turrets -3) C, Ammo – 2
1 x Type 95 Depth Charge (18 dc)
2/43
5 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 1 single turret C + 1 twin turret R ] 8 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [ 2 triple mounts C + 1 twin mount F ]
4 x 13.2mm Type 93 AAMG [ 1 twin mount LS + 1 twin mount RS ]
6 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (6 torps) [2 triple mounts C] Wpn 5 – 06 (turrets -3) C, Ammo – 1 2 x Type 95 Depth Charge (18 dc)
2 x Type 2 Depth Charge (18 dc)
9/43 4 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 1 twin turret R ]
14 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [2 triple mounts R + 2 triple mounts C + 1 twin mount F]
4 x 13.2mm Type 93 AAMG [ 1 twin mount LS + 1 twin mount RS ]
6 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (6 torps) [2 triple mounts C] 4 x Type 2 Depth Charge (36 dc)
1 x Type 22 Radar
10/44
4 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 1 twin turret R ] 21 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [2 triple, 2 single mounts R + 2 triple, 2 twin mounts RS/LS + 1 triple mount F]
4 x 13.2mm Type 93 AAMG [ 1 twin mount LS + 1 twin mount RS ]
6 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (6 torps) [2 triple mounts C]
4 x Type 2 Depth Charge (36 dc) 1 x Type 13 Radar
1 x Type 22 Radar
SHIRATSUYU
12/41
Endurance – 5720 (15kts)
Fuel – 505 tons Armament
5 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [1 twin turret F + 1 single turret C + 1 twin turret R]
4 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [ 2 twin mounts C]
8 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (16 torps) [2 quart mounts C]
1 x Type 95 Depth Charge (18 dc)
11/42
5 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [1 twin turret F + 1 single turret C + 1 twin turret R] 8 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [ 2 triple mounts C + 1 twin mount F ]
4 x 13.2mm Type 93 AAMG [ 1 twin mount LS + 1 twin mount RS ]
8 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (16 torps) [2 quart mounts C] 1 x Type 2 Depth Charge (18 dc)
6/43
5 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 1 single turret C + 1 twin turret R ] 18 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [ 2 twin mounts R + 2 triple mounts, 2 twin mounts RS/LS + 1 triple mount, 1 single mount F ]
8 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (16 torps) [2 quart mounts C] 4 x Type 2 Depth Charge (36 dc)
1 x Type 22 Radar
5/44
4 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 1 twin turret R ] 22 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [2 triple mounts R + 2 triple, 2 twin mounts RS/LS + 1 triple, 2 twin mounts F]
8 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (16 torps) [2 quart mounts C]
4 x Type 3 Depth Charge (36 dc)
1 x Type 22 Radar 1 x Type 13 Radar
[ASASHIO [/b]
12/41
Endurance – 4850 (15kts) Armament
6 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 2 twin turret R]
4 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [ 1 twin mount LS + 1 twin mount RS]
8 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (16 torps) [2 quarter mounts C]
2 x Type 95 Depth Charge (18 dc)
6/43 4 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 1 twin turret R]
18 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [2 triple, 2 single mounts R + 2 triple mounts RS/LS + 1 twin, 2 single mounts F] 8 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (12 torps) [2 quart mounts C] Wpn 5 – 04 (turrets -4) C, Ammo – 1
Wpn 6 – 04 (turrets -4) C, Ammo – 2 4 x Type 2 Depth Charge (36 dc)
1 x Type 22 Radar
5/44
4 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 1 twin turret R] 22 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [2 triple, 3 single mounts R + 2 triple mounts RS/LS + 1 triple, 2 twin mounts F]
8 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (12 torps) [2 quart mounts C]
4 x Type 3 Depth Charge (36 dc)
1 x Type 22 Radar 1 x Type 13 Radar
KAGERO
12/41
Endurance – 6200 (15kts)
Fuel – 615 tons Armament
6 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 2 twin turret R]
4 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [ 1 twin mount LS + 1 twin mount RS ]
8 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (16 torps) [2 quart mounts C]
2 x Type 95 Depth Charge (12 dc)
1/43
6 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 2 twin turret R] 8 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [ 2 triple mount LS/RS + 1 twin mount F ]
8 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (16 torps) [2 quart mounts C] 2 x Type 2 Depth Charge (36 dc)
9/43 4 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 1 twin turret R]
18 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [2 triple, 2 single mounts R + 2 triple mount LS/RS + 1 twin, 2 single mounts F]
8 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (16 torps) [2 quart mounts C]
2 x Type 2 Depth Charge (36 dc) 1 x Type 22 Radar
5/44
4 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 1 twin turret R] 22 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [2 triple, 4 single mounts R + 2 triple mount LS/RS + 1 twin, 4 single mounts F]
8 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (16 torps) [2 quart mounts C] 2 x Type 3 Depth Charge (36 dc)
1 x Type 22 Radar 1 x Type 13 Radar
YUGUMO
Endurance – 5700 (15kts)
Fuel – 530 tons
Units commissioned in 1941-1942, (completed in original project configuration) Yugumo, Makinami, Onami, Naganami, Akigumo, Kazegumo, Makigumo
6 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 2 twin turret R]
4 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [ 1 twin mount LS + 1 twin mount RS ]
8 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (12 torps) [2 quart mounts C] Wpn 5 – 04 (turrets -4) C, Ammo – 1
Wpn 6 – 04 (turrets -4) C, Ammo – 2
2 x Type 95 Depth Charge (12 dc)
Units commissioned in 1943-1944, (completed in different configurations)
Kiyonami (43.01.25)
Hayanami (43.07.31)
6 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 2 twin turret R]
8 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [ 2 triple mounts LS/RS + 1 twin mount F ]
8 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (12 torps) [2 quart mounts C]
4 x Type 2 Depth Charge (36 dc)
1 x Type 22 Radar
Suzunami (43.07.27)
Tamanami (43.04(!)30)
4 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 1 twin turret R]
15 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [2 triple mounts R + 2 triple mounts LS/RS + 1 triple mount F]
8 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (12 torps) [2 quarter mounts C]
4 x Type 3 Depth Charge (36 dc)
1 x Type 22 Radar
Asashimo (43.11.27)
Okinami (43.12.10)
6 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [1 twin turret F + 2 twin turret R]
14 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [ 2 triple mounts C + 2 triple mounts LS/RS + 1 twin mount F ]
8 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (12 torps) [2 quart mounts C]
4 x Type 3 Depth Charge (36 dc)
1 x Type 22 Radar
1 x Type 13 Radar
Hayashimo (44.02.20)
Kiyoshimo (44.05.16)
4 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 1 twin turret R]
14 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [ 2 triple mounts R + 2 triple mounts LS/RS + 1 twin mount F]
8 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (12 torps) [2 quart mounts C]
4 x Type 3 Depth Charge (36 dc)
1 x Type 22 Radar
1 x Type 13 Radar
Akishimo (44.03.11)
Fujinami (43.07.31)
Hamanami (43.10.05(!))
Kishinami (43.12.03)
6 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 2 twin turret R]
15 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [ 2 triple mounts C + 2 triple mounts LS/RS + 1 triple mount F ]
8 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (12 torps) [2 quart mounts C]
4 x Type 3 Depth Charge (36 dc)
1 x Type 22 Radar
1 x Type 13 Radar
1st Refit 5/43
4 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 1 twin turret R]
18 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [2 triple, 2 single mounts R + 2 triple mount LS/RS + 1 twin, 2 single mounts F]
8 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (12 torps) [2 quart mounts C]
4 x Type 2 Depth Charge (36 dc)
1 x Type 22 Radar
2nd Refit 6/44
4 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 1 twin turret R] 22 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [ 2 triple, 4 single mounts C + 2 triple mount LS/RS + 3 twin mounts F]
8 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (12 torps) [2 quart mounts C] 4 x Type 3 Depth Charge (36 dc)
1 x Type 22 Radar 1 x Type 13 Radar
SHIMAKAZE
5/43
Endurance - 3800 nm (at 15 knots)
Fuel – 517 tons Armament
6 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 2 twin turret R]
4 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [ 1 twin mount LS + 1 twin mount RS ]
2 x 13.2mm Type 93 AAMG [ 1 twin mount F ]
15 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (15 torps) [3 quint mounts C] Wpn 6 – 15 (turrets -5) C, Ammo – 1 (no reloading devices!)
2 x Type 2 Depth Charge (18 dc)
1 x Type 22 Radar
6/44
6 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 2 twin turret R] 14 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [2 triple mounts R + 2 triple mounts RS/LS + 1 twin mounts F]
15 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (15 torps) [3 quint mounts C] 4 x Type 3 Depth Charge (36 dc)
1 x Type 22 Radar 1 x Type 13 Radar
11/44
6 x 5in/50 3YT Gun [ 1 twin turret F + 2 twin turret R] 28 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [2 triple, 5 single mounts R + 2 triple, 4 single mounts RS/LS + 1 twin, 5 single mounts F]
15 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (15 torps) [3 quint mounts C]
4 x Type 3 Depth Charge (36 dc)
1 x Type 22 Radar
1 x Type 13 Radar
Akizuki (42.06.11) !
Teruzuki (42.08.31) !
Suzuzuki (!) (42.12.29) !
8 x 3.9in/65 Type 98 Gun [ 2 twin turret F + 2 twin turret R]
4 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [ 1 twin mount LS + 1 twin mount RS ]
4 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (8 torps) [1 quart mount C]
4 x Type 2 Depth Charge (54 dc)
Hatsuzuki (42.12.29)
8 x 3.9in/65 Type 98 Gun [ 2 twin turret F + 2 twin turret R]
12 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [ 2 triple mount LS + 2 triple mount RS ]
4 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (8 torps) [1 quart mount C]
4 x Type 2 Depth Charge (54 dc)
1 x Type 21 Radar
Niizuki (43.03.31) Wakazuki (43.05.31)(without radar)
8 x 3.9in/65 Type 98 Gun [ 2 twin turret F + 2 twin turret R]
12 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [2 triple mount LS + 2 triple mount RS]
4 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (8 torps) [1 quart mount C]
4 x Type 3 Depth Charge (72 dc)
1 x Type 21 Radar
Shimozuki (44.03.31)
Fuyuzuki (44.05.25)(without radar)
8 x 3.9in/65 Type 98 Gun [ 2 twin turret F + 2 twin turret R]
15 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [ 2 triple mount LS + 2 triple mount RS + 1 triple mount R]
4 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (8 torps) [1 quart mount C]
4 x Type 3 Depth Charge (72 dc)
1 x Type 22 Radar
Haruzuki (44.12.29) !
8 x 3.9in/65 Type 98 Gun [ 2 twin turret F + 2 twin turret R]
38 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [8 single mounts R + 4 triple mounts LS/RS + 1 triple, 6 single mounts C + 5 single mounts F]
4 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (8 torps) [1 quart mount C]
4 x Type 3 Depth Charge (72 dc)
2 x Type 13 Radar
1 x Type 22 Radar
Hanazuki (44.12.26) !
Yoizuki (45.01.31) !
Natsuzuki (45.08.08) !
8 x 3.9in/65 Type 98 Gun [ 2 twin turret F + 2 twin turret R]
43 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [1 triple, 14 single mounts R + 4 triple, 2 single mounts RS/LS + 2 triple, 6 single mounts F]
4 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (8 torps) [1 quart mount C]
4 x Type 3 Depth Charge (72 dc)
2 x Type 13 Radar
1 x Type 22 Radar
1st Refit 11/43
8 x 3.9in/65 Type 98 Gun [ 2 twin turret F + 2 twin turret R] 12 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [ 1 triple mount R + 2 triple mount LS + 2 triple mount RS ]
4 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (8 torps) [1 quart mount C] 4 x Type 3 Depth Charge (72 dc)
1 x Type 21 Radar
2nd Refit 8/44
8 x 3.9in/65 Type 98 Gun [ 2 twin turret F + 2 twin turret R] 27 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [1 triple, 4 single mounts R + 4 triple mount RS/LS + 8 single mounts F]
4 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (8 torps) [1 quart mount C]
4 x Type 3 Depth Charge (72 dc)
1 x Type 21 Radar 1 x Type 13 Radar
3rd Refit 3/45
8 x 3.9in/65 Type 98 Gun [ 2 twin turret F + 2 twin turret R] 46 x 25mm Type 96 AA Gun [ 1 triple, 15 single mounts R + 4 triple, 4 single mounts RS/LS + 2 triple, 6 single mounts F]
4 x 24in Type 93 Torpedo (8 torps) [1 quart mount C]
4 x Type 3 Depth Charge (72 dc)
1 x Type 21 Radar 2 x Type 13 Radar
--------------------------------------------------- New device Type 3 Depth Charge (modeled as combination of type 3 DC and type 3 DCT) Range – 800
Accuracy – 25
Effect – 420
Load cost – 570
Available – 10/43 Data
Mass – 180kg/100kg warhead
Diving speed – 5 m/s
Depths – 40, 80, 120, 160 and 180m
Type 2 DC should be standard ASW weapon of IJN destroyers since 10/42
Type 3 DC becomes available 10/43, more research needed here, when I’ll get more data I most probably will move availability date closer to the war end, or reduce number of classes equipped with it.
EDIT: [:@] Excellent! Half of the post is in the bold text now (not my idea!) and I can’t edit it! Does anybody know how to fix it?
