What ever happened to 2D isometric?

[IainMcNeil]

Websites we're ok with as we can see them from here - its the print mags that are hard to get hold of over here

[OberJager]

I'll second that petition ( and 3rd it and 4th it...)

Just now looking over some of the other Matrix forums alot of people are wishing for games based on the Franco-Prussian war, Russo-Japaneese war....

All subjets that IMHO were treated very well in AOR....

[RBWhite]

Yeah, I saw that post about Norm Koger new game & website.

He seems to be remaking his old games to new. That could explain why he won't give up the source codes to AOR.

I think I'll search around and find his site and see if theres any chance of an AOR revival.

Great Game worth every dollar.

[ravinhood]

Any history, wargames or computer game mags are of interest.

Below for Strategy & Tactics
Decision Games
1649 Elzworth St. #1
Bakersfield, CA 93312

Also says advertising correspondence should be sent to:
Decision Games
P.O. Box 21598
Bakersfield, CA 93390

Phone: 661/587-9633

This is predominantly a board wargaming magazine published 6 times a year. But, it was a magazine like this one and Avalon Hills General (long out of publication) that got me into computer wargaming in the first place. It wasn't any computer gaming magazine, it was wargamers magazines and fliers.

Fire & Movement I'm not to sure if it still exists, but, the last contact information I have on them is as follows:

Fire & Movement
5374 Village Rd.
Long Beach, CA. 90808
Phone: 213/420-3675

Also P.O. Box 8399
Long Beach, CA 90808

This mag did reviews back in the mid 80's on board games and computer games. It lists Peter Hatton and Nicky Palmer as UK representatives and contributing Editors.

Heh amazingly this copy I am getting this information from has SSI's "War in Russia" as one of its games reviewed. And also "Crusade in Europe". LOL this mag is almost 20 years old.

Then for USA PCgamer: http://pcgamer.com/contactus.html

Then for USA Computer Gaming World: http://www.ziffdavis.com/about/contact

They even have a webpage listing their advertising rates: http://gamegroup.ziffdavis.com/rates/

Best I can do for yah right now. If I come across some others I'll let yah know.

Edit: Something interesting about the "War In Russia" review: "We have decided to print TWO reviews of this game as an experiment to show some RANGE OF OPINION and also illustrate the varying "focal points" various players have on a game.

Lol the two reviews are about as conflicting, black & white as you can get, I like this idea of two reviews. Tom Dworschak calls "War In Russia" SITS-KRIEG not Blitzkrieg. lol It bears about as much resemblance to the Second World War on the eastern front as chess does to medieval warfare. lol

Now, this is what is needed when a Paradox game is released. TWO REVIEWS to illustrate the varying "focal points" various players have on their games.

A note on it's price $80 for this game back in 1986.

[IainMcNeil]

Thanks Ravinhood

[Fred98]

ORIGINAL: gunny

Turn Based Games. My dream game is a squad based 2D game with isometric icons. With the advent of this style of graphics in the panzer general days, you think we'd have seen more of this on a squad scale or fire team scale. Yet eveything is either top down 2D board style or real time 3D.

To answer the Market Research bods; If a game were made in this style, I for one, would have no interest.
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[gunny]

ORIGINAL: Joe 98

To answer the Market Research bods; If a game were made in this style, I for one, would have no interest.
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Well I respect the opinion of others and am often persuaded by such. So I'm curious why you would have no interest in this. To make it clear I'm referring to turn based squad/platoon level games not RTS Isometric

[RBWhite]

Gunny:

That looks fantastic.

My kind of game.

Shows us more.

I would certainly buy it and play the hell out of it.

Rick White

[gunny]

[:D] ok sarcasm aside it doesn't exist.
But interesting Ideas from the AoR fans

[RBWhite]

I know gunny

But if it did, I would still buy it.

Love AOR.

Sent an email to Norm Koger about reviving AOR, waiting for a reply.

[Fred98]

1 - I dont like the look, I could never be absorbed by the game. Frankly the pieces remind me of monopoly - espercialy the horse in monopoly.

2- If it is hexed based it must be top down 2D. Note that "hexed based " and "isometric" do not go together.

[Brigz]

ORIGINAL: RBWhite

Maybe someday a certain Publisher might make an attempt to bring back a game similar to AGE of RIFLES, but based on WWII combat situations. I believe that was 2D, it was a great game to play.

Try this Underdog link for a free download of AoR with campaign disk, 1.04 upgrade and CD cheat all in one package. Watch out for popups.

http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=1244

Don't know if the sound config will work or not but you can still play it without sound.

[RBWhite]

Thanks Dave Briggs:

I have the Dos based version all the campaign disks, upgrades and I downloaded years ago every scenario I could find on the net.

I still have old machines and still play it.

I guess I'm openly wishing for a modern day version that will play on XP

Rick White

[FlashfyreSP]

ORIGINAL: Joe 98

1 - I dont like the look, I could never be absorbed by the game. Frankly the pieces remind me of monopoly - espercialy the horse in monopoly.

2- If it is hexed based it must be top down 2D. Note that "hexed based " and "isometric" do not go together.

Talonsoft's "East Front", "West Front", and "Rising Sun" were all isometric AND hex-based.

[Veldor]

ORIGINAL: FlashfyreSP

Talonsoft's "East Front", "West Front", and "Rising Sun" were all isometric AND hex-based.

Don't forget Matrix Game's Titans of Steel game.

The problem is that most "wargamers" are either 2D fanatics or 3D ones. If you make a game "in between" you really end up just making no one happy.

An isometric game is not going to preserve that "boardgame look" that some love. Nor is the interface likely to be quite as easy as most strickly 2D top-down games are. And the graphics are still going to look "crappy" compared to a 3D game.

So I'm not sure what the advantages would really be other than an attempt to make a sequel look different/improved without having to go full 3D.

Me, personally, I'm still trying to figure out why so many think terrain made of still too few texture filled triangles looks better than some of the highly detailed maps found in 2D games, etc.

[Brigz]

You might try downloading this version. I'm still running a Pent III with Win98SE and the original version wouldn't run on my machine but this version does. I've heard others that are using XP say it runs on thier machines too. The thing that usually keeps it from running is the sound.config. If it won't recognize your soundcard then just choose "no sound". Better to play with no sound than not at all. And with the CD hack you can use any game CD to run the game. You don't need the AoW CD.

[RBWhite]

Thanks

I have a machine setup running Windows 3.11, it's a 486/66 with 24 meg of ram and the game runs great. I'm also running Win 3.11 on a 386/17 with 16 meg of ram for even older games.

[fahdiz]

ORIGINAL: Joe 98
Talonsoft's "East Front", "West Front", and "Rising Sun" were all isometric AND hex-based.

As are virtually all of HPS Simulations' wargames.

[Fred98]

And thats why I don't have 'em.

[ravinhood]

And thats why I don't have 'em.

Well you should, now go out and buy them.