I sunk the Yamato with one torpedo!!!

Gary Grigsby's strategic level wargame covering the entire War in the Pacific from 1941 to 1945 or beyond.

Moderators: Joel Billings, wdolson, Don Bowen, mogami

User avatar
Tanaka
Posts: 5311
Joined: Tue Apr 08, 2003 3:42 am
Location: USA
Contact:

I sunk the Yamato with one torpedo!!!

Post by Tanaka »

1 hit was all it took! [X(]

Image
Attachments
Clipboard01.jpg
Clipboard01.jpg (92.65 KiB) Viewed 571 times
Image

Check out my mod for Strategic Command American Civil War!

https://forums.matrixgames.com/viewtopi ... 9f17441266
User avatar
Tanaka
Posts: 5311
Joined: Tue Apr 08, 2003 3:42 am
Location: USA
Contact:

RE: I sunk the Yamamoto with one torpedo!!!

Post by Tanaka »

intel next turn taking a look at the japanese side. now it says she was sunk by a 500 pound bomb!!! [X(]

Image
Attachments
Clipboard02.jpg
Clipboard02.jpg (69.85 KiB) Viewed 564 times
Image

Check out my mod for Strategic Command American Civil War!

https://forums.matrixgames.com/viewtopi ... 9f17441266
User avatar
WiTP_Dude
Posts: 1434
Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2004 9:28 pm

RE: I sunk the Yamato with one torpedo!!!

Post by WiTP_Dude »

Something doesn't add up. Who knows what really happened...
Image
________________________________________
I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
User avatar
afspret
Posts: 857
Joined: Thu Feb 19, 2004 9:05 pm
Location: Hanahan, SC

RE: I sunk the Yamato with one torpedo!!!

Post by afspret »

I know what you mean, I lost the Repulse to a single torpedo hit while it was docked at Batavia and I also barely got the Colorado back to PH after it took a single torpedo while off of Makin. But yet Zuikaku apparently took two hits from Brit Mk6 mines left at HK and its still running around with KB without suffering any effects.

A lot of people will say that the loss will be due to a magazine hit, but dang, the IJN must be pretty good to score mag hits so frequently.
John E. McCallum
Tiornu
Posts: 1126
Joined: Thu Apr 01, 2004 7:59 pm

RE: I sunk the Yamato with one torpedo!!!

Post by Tiornu »

The Beauforts were carrying 45cm torpedoes.
Yamato has 46cm guns.
I think I've found a way to get a magazine exposion....
User avatar
Tanaka
Posts: 5311
Joined: Tue Apr 08, 2003 3:42 am
Location: USA
Contact:

RE: I sunk the Yamato with one torpedo!!!

Post by Tanaka »

odd thing is when i reloaded the turn to see the combat over again it was never touched. i thought all replays were supposed to be the same unless you change something. odd....
Image

Check out my mod for Strategic Command American Civil War!

https://forums.matrixgames.com/viewtopi ... 9f17441266
User avatar
patrickl
Posts: 1530
Joined: Thu Jun 20, 2002 6:57 pm
Location: Singapore

RE: I sunk the Yamato with one torpedo!!!

Post by patrickl »

Hi,

You have it lucky. The thing about GG's games is that the 1st turn is always special - the subsequent reloads somehow will not replicate the results again. Furthermore, reloads will make the AI less aggressive.[:)]
Image
Banner designed by rogueusmc
User avatar
von Murrin
Posts: 1611
Joined: Tue Nov 13, 2001 10:00 am
Location: That from which there is no escape.

RE: I sunk the Yamato with one torpedo!!!

Post by von Murrin »

ORIGINAL: Tiornu

The Beauforts were carrying 45cm torpedoes.
Yamato has 46cm guns.
I think I've found a way to get a magazine exposion....

[:D]





Is there really anything worth adding besides the smiley? Funny stuff!
I give approximately two fifths of a !#$% at any given time!
User avatar
Skyros
Posts: 1572
Joined: Fri Sep 29, 2000 8:00 am
Location: Columbia SC

RE: I sunk the Yamamoto with one torpedo!!!

Post by Skyros »

The sunk by shows the last weapon to hit the Yamato. She was obviously hit by more than one torpedo. The intelligence report underesstimated the hits.
User avatar
rtrapasso
Posts: 22655
Joined: Tue Sep 03, 2002 4:31 am

RE: I sunk the Yamamoto with one torpedo!!!

Post by rtrapasso »

ORIGINAL: Skyros

The sunk by shows the last weapon to hit the Yamato. She was obviously hit by more than one torpedo. The intelligence report underesstimated the hits.


There was a big discussion about this some time back - the consensus opinion is that the "sunk by" is the weapon that did the most damage.

I know I have bombed ships with 1000 pound bombs, crippled them, and then caught them later and finished them off with 8" shells (and they sunk in battle) - and the report will say it was "sunk by 1000 lb. bombs".
AmiralLaurent
Posts: 3351
Joined: Tue Mar 11, 2003 8:53 pm
Location: Near Paris, France

RE: I sunk the Yamamoto with one torpedo!!!

Post by AmiralLaurent »

ORIGINAL: Skyros

The sunk by shows the last weapon to hit the Yamato. She was obviously hit by more than one torpedo. The intelligence report underesstimated the hits.

Sunk by will show one of the hits on the Yamato, not always the last or sinking one.

On the other hand, Yamato was probably hit by only one torpedo, that hit a magasine and boom. Had it not for a magasine explosion, he may survive several torpedoes hit and I doubt 9 torpedo plabes may hit her enough to sink her by cumulative damage.

No that was a lucky or unlucky hit, depending on wich side you are. Exactly what happens in war and the reason why BBs and CVs were used more carefully in real WWII than in UV.
User avatar
denisonh
Posts: 2083
Joined: Fri Dec 21, 2001 10:00 am
Location: Upstate SC

RE: I sunk the Yamamoto with one torpedo!!!

Post by denisonh »

It is possible.

I would be more concerned if it happened all the time. I have not seen this in my current PBEM, with a BB/BC/CA sinking after a single torpedo.
"Life is tough, it's even tougher when you're stupid" -SGT John M. Stryker, USMC
User avatar
Moquia
Posts: 174
Joined: Mon Jul 12, 2004 6:19 pm

RE: I sunk the Yamamoto with one torpedo!!!

Post by Moquia »

Just started a 1.4 AI game as allies. POW survived 3 aerial torpedoes plus numerous bombs the first week, very pleased with that. In this game I am trying to hold the Japanese in Malaya as long as I can, even using the British 18th division as historical (I got it relatively early).
Image
Rob322
Posts: 620
Joined: Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:53 pm

RE: I sunk the Yamamoto with one torpedo!!!

Post by Rob322 »

ORIGINAL: denisonh

It is possible.

I would be more concerned if it happened all the time. I have not seen this in my current PBEM, with a BB/BC/CA sinking after a single torpedo.

I feel the same. The only thing I typically see die after 1 torpedo hit is a DD or MSW and then not always. The Japanese AI in my game put two sub launched torps into the Lexington, hurt her for sure but she made harbor and lived. In my game, I've never got a torp into the Yamato but an SBD squadron did claim to hit her with at least 10 1000lb bombs. All it seemed tod o with up her SYS and scrape off some of the smaller guns. Guess I'm going to need a Tallboy for that ship. [:D]
AmiralLaurent
Posts: 3351
Joined: Tue Mar 11, 2003 8:53 pm
Location: Near Paris, France

RE: I sunk the Yamamoto with one torpedo!!!

Post by AmiralLaurent »

ORIGINAL: Rob322

In my game, I've never got a torp into the Yamato but an SBD squadron did claim to hit her with at least 10 1000lb bombs. All it seemed tod o with up her SYS and scrape off some of the smaller guns. Guess I'm going to need a Tallboy for that ship. [:D]

I had an UV PBEM where a TF with the Yamato was attempting a night surface interception. Another lighter Japanese TF found an Allied minefield in open sea on the way, sailed past it without loss and arrived in the planned hex, where the US CV were. It dispatched much of two surface TFs covering them but never reach the CV TF.
The Yamato TF sailing second decides to turn around the Allied minefield... by sailing in the next hex, where a (probably bigger) Japanese minefield has been laid to try to hit an US CV. Of course one ship hit one mine and the total effect was that the TF didn't arirve in time but arrive at the target hex, near Nevea, and sharing the hex with US CV, in daylight.
The number of Allied aerial sorties jumped from the usual 500/day to more than 2000, most of them directed against my BB TF. The two older BB with Yamato were quickly sunk but the Yamato survived 1 torpedo and 80 bomb bits, more than 20 of them 1000lbs bombs. At the end of the turn, it was shown in fire by reports but not heavily damaged. In fact SYS was around 15 and FLT below 10. Most AA and secondary guns were wrecked and the few remaining had no more ammo but the BB escaped at full speed and I repair her in Truk, SYS repair was done before the guns were rebuilt.

Now in WITP any hit piercing the armor may sink a ship. And I love that. The most big ship I lose to only one bomb was a CA.
pad152
Posts: 2835
Joined: Sun Apr 23, 2000 8:00 am

RE: I sunk the Yamamoto with one torpedo!!!

Post by pad152 »

RE: I sunk the Yamamoto with one torpedo!!!

This is what I like about Witp, just like in real war you don't always know what happened! This is part the of fog of war!
User avatar
pasternakski
Posts: 5567
Joined: Sat Jun 29, 2002 7:42 pm

RE: I sunk the Yamamoto with one torpedo!!!

Post by pasternakski »

ORIGINAL: pad152

RE: I sunk the Yamamoto with one torpedo!!!
What was he doing? Floating offshore on an inflatable mattress?
Put my faith in the people
And the people let me down.
So, I turned the other way,
And I carry on anyhow.
User avatar
Richelieu
Posts: 47
Joined: Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:56 pm
Location: Paris, France

RE: I sunk the Yamamoto with one torpedo!!!

Post by Richelieu »

Historically, these two Juggernauts were hardly sunk.

The Yamato took 3 waves of 380 planes, scoring 12 torpedoes and 18 1000 ib bombs before going down..
Her sister Musashi was only sunk by 19 torpedoes and 17 bombs...

Not sure that Witp will reflect this reality [8|]

Image
Attachments
Yamatoend.jpg
Yamatoend.jpg (28.42 KiB) Viewed 566 times
Il tangue mais ne coule pas...
(Fluctuat Nec Mergitur)
User avatar
rogueusmc
Posts: 4583
Joined: Sun Feb 08, 2004 6:21 pm
Location: Texas...what country are YOU from?
Contact:

RE: I sunk the Yamamoto with one torpedo!!!

Post by rogueusmc »

ORIGINAL: pasternakski
ORIGINAL: pad152

RE: I sunk the Yamamoto with one torpedo!!!
What was he doing? Floating offshore on an inflatable mattress?
HISTORICALLY, he was hit in the air with a torpedo I think...[:D]
There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion.

Gen. William Thornson, U.S. Army

Image
User avatar
Tanaka
Posts: 5311
Joined: Tue Apr 08, 2003 3:42 am
Location: USA
Contact:

RE: I sunk the Yamamoto with one torpedo!!!

Post by Tanaka »

ORIGINAL: Skyros

The sunk by shows the last weapon to hit the Yamato. She was obviously hit by more than one torpedo. The intelligence report underesstimated the hits.

this is true. but in the combat animation she was hit only once by a torpedo.
Image

Check out my mod for Strategic Command American Civil War!

https://forums.matrixgames.com/viewtopi ... 9f17441266
Post Reply

Return to “War In The Pacific - Struggle Against Japan 1941 - 1945”