Hmmmm I hate to say it but I think you just got lucky !!!
India is a quagmire for the Japanese.
Unless you take it quickly you are committing a large proportion of your available ground forces to a place where the allies can trade space for time.
You would find yourself with most of you availabe infantry and armour stuck fighting there rather than securing resource or picket lines in SOPAC/ DEI.
The RN has been bloodied but it looks like the US CV force is intact. I think India unless you are confident you could have won before September / October 42 would have been a step to far...
My plan was to destroy his army in Burma, not in India. Was planned a landing at Chandupur but was not necessary. When i landed at Rangoon with 2500 AP there were still 100,000 allied troops stuck between Muleim and Reaghen. With their retreats line cut by my paras that took Pagan , Lashio and another base near Mandalay, i could have destroyed the Half of the British/indian forces before reaching Mandalay in feb 42. Then averything could have been possible i guess.
Yes but he had spotted you and was attempting to get out of the sack but was stopped by a bug (unless I misunderstood earlier in the thread)
So while I agree 150,000 allied troops stuck in Burma is bad for a defence of India and you may have gotten ashore to cause mayhem he would have started to shift forces by trails (slow) or by Air. Lets say you landed 1st April at Chandpur he probably could not stop you in the South but if he has been at all diligent over fort building he could slow you down by fighting a withdrawal back towards Karachi shortning his lines all the time getting stronger while you get weaker until you hit the Delhi Ahmabad line where it really is Indian Army stand or die time.
And in Burma you wouldnt have put them in the sack as he can retreat towards mandalay while fighting a retreat to slow you down and used a fraction of his force to clear out the retreat lines from Mandalay.
One question thats quite important is where is his armour he has 3 very powerfull Armoured Brigades Avaialale are any of them in Burma ?
If not then assuming he deploys 1 near Madras and 1 near Calcutta with the third say at Asanol as theatre reserve you have a problem moving quickly
Hmmm on the other hand if that 150,000 troops is all Commonwealth i.e. no Chinese and he has committed all the armour to Burma he may have completely emptied India in which case he is toast.... even if you dont make them surrender at Mandalay
Yes but he had spotted you and was attempting to get out of the sack but was stopped by a bug (unless I misunderstood earlier in the thread)
So while I agree 150,000 allied troops stuck in Burma is bad for a defence of India and you may have gotten ashore to cause mayhem he would have started to shift forces by trails (slow) or by Air. Lets say you landed 1st April at Chandpur he probably could not stop you in the South but if he has been at all diligent over fort building he could slow you down by fighting a withdrawal back towards Karachi shortning his lines all the time getting stronger while you get weaker until you hit the Delhi Ahmabad line where it really is Indian Army stand or die time.
And in Burma you wouldnt have put them in the sack as he can retreat towards mandalay while fighting a retreat to slow you down and used a fraction of his force to clear out the retreat lines from Mandalay.
One question thats quite important is where is his armour he has 3 very powerfull Armoured Brigades Avaialale are any of them in Burma ?
If not then assuming he deploys 1 near Madras and 1 near Calcutta with the third say at Asanol as theatre reserve you have a problem moving quickly
Hmmm on the other hand if that 150,000 troops is all Commonwealth i.e. no Chinese and he has committed all the armour to Burma he may have completely emptied India in which case he is toast.... even if you dont make them surrender at Mandalay
Interesting experiment pity we wont see it now
stronger while you get weaker until you hit the Delhi Ahmabad line where it really is Indian Army stand or die time.
No, you did not Misunderstood mate! The only problem is that it was not a bug tha prevented him to retreat towards mandalay but just a unknown ( at least by both of us) that force a sieged unit to design as destination hex of his movement an hex which is not a base hex, held by your forces. If we had understood a bit earlier this was not a bug, he would have been destroyed in Burma.
I'm quite sure only the 2nd UK division( if it was already arrived) was at his disposal in India. All his 3 armoured brigades were at Reaghen( more than 800 tanks were spotted by my accurate recon ) and not less than 5 heavy arty units, plus any other inf. unit avalable. The 18th UK div , i'm quite sure was( and still is) at Akyab. If i would have closed the envelope around these troops between Reaghen,Mouleim and Pagan, the road to Mandalay would have been empty and , being stuck at Akyab the 18th div would not have been able to do anything against my landings at Chandupur. I did not want to go any further than Dacca. Just close this big envelope and starve his men, and then destroy them. While my naval-air forces would have covered the troops while they were re-deploying.
With only one division left and the RN out of action i could have been able to withdraw everything but 2 divisions and 2 eng.regiments from Burma/india area and dig in, concentrating of Java,Timor and maybe Oz.
I've studied very well the lessons from Pzg vs. Wolby. My plan was to take advantage of his overcommitting in Burma, close a big defensive pocket and build a defensive line shorter than the Burma one , risking the minimum in terms of naval assets, troops and suplies.
Now, with Mandalay become a fortress and with Diamond-Chandupur area full of enemy bombers, life both for my troops and for my assets in burma will begin to become terrible and dangerous. In few months he will bomb my oil fields in Rangoon...
At this stage of the war, my hope is to be able to push the chinese back , closing the burma road and take siege of Mandalay, using all the heavy bombers at my disposal. probably the conquest of Mandalay is still possibile, but it's gonna be damned bloody for japanese forces
If he has committed so much force to Burma and has basically nothing in India you should take your lumps from the RAF and take India he wont be able to stop you just land forces on a wide front the danger of getting defeated in detail will not exist as he has not got enough force to stop landing in more than one place.
Land forces at Madras Diamond Harbour Chandpur and the base in between so four landings each one say a Division backed by a Mixed Brigade and an armoured regt and a few base forces and engineers.
If he is really that weak he wont be able to stop you also If he has committed that many troops to Burma I would bet his fort building in India has been weak as he has few engineers available
then just reinforce the one or two that succeed.
he has really committed all the allied armour to Burma......I would love to hear why he did that thats kind of aggressive...
Well, i know...i've thought about it for one week. i'm a kind of defensive japanese player, so i always try to save my assets, 'cause the ghost of the " WINTER IS COMING" for japan is always there.
if i would have decided to do what you say i had to do in the right way: so to say invest my main effort in a deep penetration in India, with the aim of conquering it all. I gotta say that India is not on my wish list. I still have Java and the DEI-SRA to conquer and i have to fortify and expand my defensive perimeter in the Solomons and Gilbers.
At the end i decided to let 4 divisions and 2 mix bde in Burma, with 2 Eng regiments and some aviation supports and concentrate myself on my primary mid-term goal: Java
Probably this strategy won't lead me to victory, but i'm quite sure that will save my naval assets for a while.
Oh, remember that if i had managed to close the Burma pocket and eliminated 150,000 more allied troops i think that there would have been no need to go for india( in terms of VPs): I'm already 15,000 vs 4000. With more 150,000 troops in the bag plus all those ABDA forces trapped in Java, without doing any seriuous mistakes, i could have arrived to1943 with a solid 4: 1 score.
But that's life. Now I gotta concentrate and fight hard
BTW i think he understimated my chances of obtaining a quick victory in Singapore. He probably thought he could have slowed down me and gained time to strongly fortify Rangoon area.That's probably why he committted so much in Burma. Quite sure he got scared enough and wont do this mistake again in other matches[:D]
another day has passed, and with the sunset it comes the dark.Every night things over Rangoon are getting worse. Every day i lose much more planes than he does.Every night my airfields got pounded without my guys being able to shoot down one of those nasty british bombers. I have to find a key for this, untill i will be able to get some of my night fighters....but it's a long long way for it.
The entire army that liberated Luzon is now loaded up on ships. In few more days i'll be able to launch the final attack over Java. Then will have to find a plan for Timor and for securing the southern perimeter.
In 3 days KB1 will sail eastwards towards Bismarks. I want to try a last expansion here towards Nanomea Atoll. Meanwhile Gili gili and Lae should become operative with fighters and Mavis. Tarawa reached level 4 AF, which means that now Canton Island and the supply routes that pass thorugh here are in danger.This should be seen as a problem by the allies and i really hope he's gonna try something here. I'm ready to give him a warm welcome[:D]
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/08/42
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Night Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,34
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 44
Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 7
Martin 139 x 7
IL-4c x 4
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x IL-4c bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
Sure that with 1.4 they worked on this thing?
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Night Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,34
Japanese ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Runway hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
9 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
[:(][:(]
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Ki-21 Sally x 42
Ki-48 Lily x 18
Ki-49 Helen x 15
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
Resources hits 16
Aircraft Attacking:
Slowly Chungking won't be anymore a supply producer
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Day Air attack on Ichang , at 47,33
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 19
No Japanese losses
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 3
Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Medan , at 20,45
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 25
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Runway hits 4
Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Soerabaja , at 22,65
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 19
Ki-21 Sally x 28
Ki-48 Lily x 21
Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 19
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
I'm quite sure i won't find anymore oil here[:(]
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 35
No Japanese losses
Port supply hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
35 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 26
No Japanese losses
Still no cap...here doasn't dare to defend PM, while i do not dare to risk my Betties vs his AA
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Day Air attack on 2nd Parachute Regiment, at 36,30
Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 14
No Allied losses
Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 66th Chinese Corps, at 41,37
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 23
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 3 damaged
Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 70th Chinese Corps, at 47,33
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 5
Ki-51 Sonia x 7
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 5th Dutch Naval Base Force, at 19,56
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
Ki-27 Nate x 11
Ki-30 Ann x 25
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
25 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
27 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 2000 feet
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TF 109 troops unloading over beach at Sabang, 19,41
Japanese ground losses:
142 casualties reported
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TF 187 troops unloading over beach at Sinkep Island, 22,53
Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Nanning
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 18617 troops, 210 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 26780 troops, 128 guns, 0 vehicles
Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported
He's moving! Moved more forces out of here...tomorrow an Attack is scheldued
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Ground combat at Manokwari
Here we go. Another night raid and another bad day for my guys at Rangoon. Those Raf bombers seem unstoppable. I've tried different mix of planes and altitudes, but nothing seems to work against them. Today 10 planes were destroyed on the ground and he took only 1 op.loss....I'm getting the same feeling that probably Germans had against night bombing during 43-44....impotence![:(]
Considerig that i'm using 2 daitais of zeros and 2 sentais of oscars ( both between 75 and 80 exp) i cannot really figure out what else i could do.
The first raid over Canton Island deployed a 250kg bomb on an AK. Nothing serious, but now he will be forced to deploy some more fighters here if he wants to save his cargos, and more fighters here means less fighters at PM[:D]
My betties went twice for Madras. Now i'm sure he covered the whole bay of bangals with planes. Not much i can do here...no more[:(]
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/09/42
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TF 109 troops unloading over beach at Sabang, 19,41
Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported
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Night Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,34
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 12
Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 9
Martin 139 x 13
IL-4c x 3
Aircraft Attacking: depressing
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Night Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,34
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 12
Allied aircraft
LB-30 Liberator x 11
Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 5 destroyed, 16 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
LB-30 Liberator: 2 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 6
Aircraft Attacking:
11 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
irritating
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Naval bombardment of Sinkep Island, at 22,53
Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Kumano
DD Satsuki
DD Sawakaze
CL Isuzu
CA Atago
Allied ground losses:
240 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 7
Port hits 3
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 6
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
Ki-21 Sally x 60
Ki-48 Lily x 4
Ki-49 Helen x 13
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 damaged
Resources hits 48
Aircraft Attacking: some relief but not enough...at least he decided to abbandon the wet dream of Nanning...his whole southern chinese army is now spread over the ricefields west of Wouchow
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Ichang , at 47,33
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 3
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 19
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 2 damaged
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 12
Ki-21 Sally x 55
Ki-48 Lily x 25
Ki-15 Babs x 1
Aircraft Attacking: my lilies are so vulnerable...
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Day Air attack on Medan , at 20,45
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 24
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 2 damaged
Runway hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 34
No Japanese losses
Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 2nd Parachute Regiment, at 36,30
Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 10
No Allied losses
Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 49th Chinese Corps, at 48,33
Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 23
Ki-51 Sonia x 14
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
104 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Trimcomalee at 15,25
Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 3
Allied aircraft
Mohawk IV x 12
Buffalo I x 11
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 5 destroyed[:@]
Allied Ships
AK Empire Faith
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Trimcomalee at 15,25
Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 6
Allied aircraft
Mohawk IV x 4
Buffalo I x 5
No Japanese losses
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
AK Empire Cougar
AK Empire Moonrise, Bomb hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Canton Island at 98,99
Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 6
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
AK Steel Mariner, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Lillian Luckenbach
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 7000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 7000 feet
oh, the bombs actually were 2...
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Ground combat at Sinkep Island
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 759 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 1213 troops, 2 guns, 2 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
ops....it a long time since i do not get this result in a island invasion...
Another night of passion over Rangoon. What really ashtonish me is that he takes very few operational losses, flying so low( 5,000 ft) at night. Tonight two zeros have been destroyed during air2air combat by a IL-4c. I had to move back to Tavoy a group of Betties because it has remained with 23 pilots but only 10 planes-_-''[:@]
Considering that i cannot do anything defending, i've ordered for tomorrow a night bombing raid over Chandupur. My zeros will sweep the place first, then my bombers will come in between 7,000 and 9,000 ft. let's see if it's just him that can do these things...
In NG i've ordered a PM bombing. I must keep PM on the edge if do no want to have surprises... 9 mavis arrived at Gili gili, while at Shortland landed 22 Daves.
2 betties daitai have been transfere from PI, where they stayed for 1 week for taking a break, to Saipan and Kwajalein.
KB1 is moving from Singapore down to Java and Macassar streight. Will arrive at Truk in one week and a half. KB2 is returning to truk for refuelling .
Production of Hitachi engines have been defenetly stopped. Ki-54 and Ki-59 productions have been changed to Tony research( want to have this plane at least in July).
in china my march towards ChungKing is very slow. The bad terrain and the lack of supplies are ruining my day here. He changed completely strategy: now he's driving back all his armies not to be cut off. Next months are going to be bloody here....
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/10/42
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Night Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,34
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 9
Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 17
Martin 139 x 7
Hudson I x 3
IL-4c x 9
Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Runway hits 5
Aircraft Attacking:
9 x IL-4c bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
6 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
8 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
What else to say about this? Any tips guys?
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Night Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,34
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 23
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 9
Aircraft Attacking:
5 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
[:@]
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Naval bombardment of Batavia, at 19,59
Japanese Ships
DD Okikaze
DD Kuri
CL Naka
CA Suzuya
CA Mikuma
CA Mogami
CA Ashigara
CA Chokai
CA Maya
BB Kongo
BB Haruna
BB Hiei
BB Kirishima
BB Yamashiro
BB Ise
Allied ground losses:
3229 casualties reported
Guns lost 60
Vehicles lost 6
Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 53
Port hits 34
Port fuel hits 8
Port supply hits 11
Let's burn some supply![:)]
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TF 160 troops unloading over beach at Woodlark Island, 59,94
Japanese ground losses:
48 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
Ki-21 Sally x 54
Ki-48 Lily x 15
Ki-49 Helen x 19
No Japanese losses
Resources hits 27
Aircraft Attacking:
Well, if supplies are a problem for me...his situation must be worse
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32
Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 12
Ki-15 Babs x 5
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
5 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Ichang , at 47,33
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 3
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 18
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 damaged
Runway hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Medan , at 20,45
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 23
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 2 damaged
Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Soerabaja , at 22,65
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 19
Ki-21 Sally x 24
Ki-48 Lily x 18
Runway hits 5
Port hits 7
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 34
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 5
Ki-51 Sonia x 6
No Japanese losses
Runway hits 2
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
These 7 tojos will be trasfered in 3 stages to Rangoon...let's see if they can do something at night
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Day Air attack on 28th Chinese Corps, at 40,37
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 20
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 49th Chinese Corps, at 48,33
Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 23
Ki-51 Sonia x 14
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Russell Islands , at 66,96
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Ki-30 Ann x 30
No Japanese losses
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
This zero daitai already gained level 67 in experience...2 more weeks and it will be ready for action
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Ground combat at Sabang
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 1402 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 2)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Sabang base !!!
This base, in the northern part of Sumatra will be very usefull. Want to place here some Mavis and some ASW planes to whatch and guard the access to DEI
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Ground combat at 28,65
My bombers showed they're unable to inflict any real damage, during night time, to his Airfields, while his bombers not. That's the key of this stage of war. Tomorrow 7 tojos will arrive at Rangoon. Let's see if these brand new modern planes can do something at night.
Kb1 is moving slowly towards Bali, then will sail towards Palau and will re-unite with KB2 at Truk.
Truk gained size 9 Port...and that means i'm gonna lay tons of mines in the whole southpacific area[:D]
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/11/42
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Night Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,34
Aircraft Attacking:
11 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
My zeros did not sweep Candupur and i suffered one more bombing
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Night Air attack on Chandpur , at 30,25
Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 11
G4M1 Betty x 5
Allied aircraft
Blenheim IF x 9
Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IF: 2 damaged
Aircraft Attacking:
8 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
5 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 7000 feet
[:(]
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TF 103 troops unloading over beach at Roxas, 42,55
Japanese ground losses:
133 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 23
Ki-21 Sally x 61
Ki-48 Lily x 17
Ki-49 Helen x 16
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 2 damaged
Resources hits 34
Aircraft Attacking:
More planes will be moved in China in the next weeks in order to train my worse units
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32
Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 12
Ki-15 Babs x 5
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 3 damaged
Allied ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Ichang , at 47,33
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 3
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 18
No Japanese losses
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
Ki-21 Sally x 33
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 8 damaged
Allied ground losses:
104 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
12 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Medan , at 20,45
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 23
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 damaged
Runway hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 34
Ki-51 Sonia x 12
No Japanese losses
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 2
Port hits 2
Port supply hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Tawi Tawi , at 38,60
Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 15
No Japanese losses
Aircraft Attacking:
11 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 9000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 9000 feet
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Day Air attack on 2nd Parachute Regiment, at 36,30
Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 10
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 49th Chinese Corps, at 48,33
Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 23
Ki-51 Sonia x 14
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 1st Burma Brigade, at 33,30
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 18
Ki-48 Lily x 6
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 3 damaged
Allied ground losses:
66 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 12000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 12000 feet
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Day Air attack on 5th Dutch Naval Base Force, at 19,56
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
Ki-27 Nate x 11
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
27 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 13th DAF Base Force, at 22,53
Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 25
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
88 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 38
G3M Nell x 25
G4M1 Betty x 49
Allied aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 5 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
No CAP, no bombers, nothing at PM...very strange
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Day Air attack on Russell Islands , at 66,96
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Ki-30 Ann x 28
No Japanese losses
Port hits 1
Aircraft Attacking: keep on training my Lunga units( Lunga reached Level 3 AF)
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Ground combat at Woodlark Island
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 674 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Woodlark Island base !!!
One more base is under japanese's control
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Ground combat at 42,37
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 25946 troops, 155 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 1920 troops, 0 guns, 136 vehicles
Allied assault odds: 4 to 1
Japanese ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 5
Allied ground losses:
802 casualties reported
Guns lost 17
Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
One of my tank units pursuing the chinese's retrat has been pushed back
Now Even Ambonia is under night siege. The B-17s based at Darwin began last night bombing my airfields there.... At Rangoon nothing changes, even with the Tojos...i do not have anymore arrows in my bag[:(]
A Big covoys has been spotted 7 hex southwest of PM. My Mavis at Gili gili proved their ability. One more Betty daitai has been moved at Rabaul and KB2 refuelled at Truk and has been ordered to move southward at max speed.... 9 ships spotted. They reported 4DDs and 4CAs, which can means...Carriers! Gotta play smartly now. Cannot face them withount the air cover from Rabaul. KB1 is too far away to be part of the incomming battle.....we'll see....
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/12/42
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Night Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,34
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 5
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 38
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 5
Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 3
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
7 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
But do you believe that?!?!?! How do you guys manage with this problem?
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Night Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,34
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 28
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 5
Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 13
Hudson I x 6
IL-4c x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 2 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
3 casualties reported
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x IL-4c bombing at 5000 feet
6 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
6 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
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Night Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,34
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 22
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 3
Allied aircraft
LB-30 Liberator x 6
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
LB-30 Liberator: 4 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
6 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
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Night Air attack on Amboina , at 39,73
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 18
Japanese aircraft losses
H6K4 Mavis: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Aircraft Attacking:
18 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
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TF 114 troops unloading over beach at Buna, 55,90
Japanese ground losses:
91 casualties reported
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TF 114 troops unloading over beach at Buna, 55,90
Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Buna will be another Fighter base...
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Day Air attack on 19th Group Army, at 47,33
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 3
Ki-30 Ann x 23
Ki-51 Sonia x 7
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22
Ki-21 Sally x 39
Ki-48 Lily x 12
Ki-49 Helen x 9
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged
Resources hits 11
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32
Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Ichang , at 47,33
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 17
No Japanese losses
Runway hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Medan , at 20,45
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 23
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 3 damaged
Runway hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Soerabaja , at 22,65
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2
Ki-21 Sally x 26
Ki-48 Lily x 23
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 15000 feet
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
8 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 33
Ki-51 Sonia x 12
No Japanese losses
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 2
Port hits 2
Port supply hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
30 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 2nd Parachute Regiment, at 36,30
Allied aircraft
Lysander I x 14
Buffalo I x 13
I-16c x 43
No Allied losses
Aircraft Attacking:
23 x I-16c bombing at 2000 feet
20 x I-16c bombing at 2000 feet
13 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
14 x Lysander I bombing at 2000 feet
oh oh...all the chinese planes moved out from China
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Day Air attack on 28th Chinese Corps, at 40,37
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 24
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Riouw Garrison Battalion, at 22,53
Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 25
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 5th Dutch Naval Base Force, at 19,56
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
Ki-27 Nate x 11
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
24 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Tawi Tawi , at 38,60
Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 15
No Japanese losses
Aircraft Attacking:
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 9000 feet
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 9000 feet
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Day Air attack on Russell Islands , at 66,96
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Ki-30 Ann x 29
No Japanese losses
Aircraft Attacking:
26 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
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TF 160 troops unloading over beach at Kiriwina Island, 57,93
Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Roxas
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 2957 troops, 14 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 68 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Roxas base !!!
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Ground combat at Pagan
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 15137 troops, 184 guns, 0 vehicles
Well, i do not have the combat report( lost it while playing another pbem match).
BTW,More planes lost in this silly night war at Rangoon. Ambonia is becomming the new training camp for the B.17s
The big Convoy i spotted yesterday moving towards PM revealed to be nothing more than a Surface TF, with 15 ships, some of which were CL and the rest DM and DDs. 2 of my subs intercepted it but both of them got sunk during nightime, bringing with them a DD with two fish in it. The TF is moving very fast towards Cairns now. I dunno if it reached PM, layed mines and got away at Full speed. It can be,or if , after being spotted, he decided it was better not to risk against my 150 bombers at Rabaul.
More garrison units are moving towards the south pacific. Tulagi is going to be garrisoned, as Baker Island, in few more days. Lae,Buna and Gili are now operative air bases for my recon planes.
the battle for Mandalay is ready to start, but if i want to be ready to fight for it, i need to solve the night bombing problem.....
Any tips?
the battle for Mandalay is ready to start, but if i want to be ready to fight for it, i need to solve the night bombing problem.....
Any tips?
Unfortunatly not. Same problem here with my opponent. He is pounding Bankok with Liberators and B-17 and i can't do nothing. Only good thing if you put your O II and Zeros on night CAP is there will be less ac casaulties on the ground[8|].
My opponent told me that his level bombers are on the egde of their range (not sure if they fly at extended range) and even i have 3 AA regiments or so, usually just one evil enemy bomber is damaged. Phew! Also, he told me that after long range mission their fatigue is about 10! (maybe they sleep during flight:).
I can not strike back for several reasons.
1. My IJA bombers have shorter range - i can not reach AF
2. If the enemy AF is in the range, bombload of my Sally's is patethic so results are...errr.. uncomparable with allied bombing
3. I can not sacrify my valuable LBA (Bettys, Nells) for night AF bombing...
Don't bother with transfering Tojo's. I have them on night CAP but chinese Il-4 (?) bombing without any problems. This happens in China and it is intersting that night fight screen doesn't "freeze" like in Burma so i can see what happens
Hi, Fighters without radar are pretty hopeless at night. Allied fighters as well.
What makes a fighter a night fighter is radar. Helps if the base (or CV) also has radar.
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
the battle for Mandalay is ready to start, but if i want to be ready to fight for it, i need to solve the night bombing problem.....
Any tips?
Unfortunatly not. Same problem here with my opponent. He is pounding Bankok with Liberators and B-17 and i can't do nothing. Only good thing if you put your O II and Zeros on night CAP is there will be less ac casaulties on the ground[8|].
My opponent told me that his level bombers are on the egde of their range (not sure if they fly at extended range) and even i have 3 AA regiments or so, usually just one evil enemy bomber is damaged. Phew! Also, he told me that after long range mission their fatigue is about 10! (maybe they sleep during flight:).
I can not strike back for several reasons.
1. My IJA bombers have shorter range - i can not reach AF
2. If the enemy AF is in the range, bombload of my Sally's is patethic so results are...errr.. uncomparable with allied bombing
3. I can not sacrify my valuable LBA (Bettys, Nells) for night AF bombing...
I guess we have to live with that
[:)]
Thanks for answering mate.
My opponent doeasn't give me that kind of intelligence, but i guess he's having exactly the same results as your opponent. Assuming that they worked on the Night-bombing when they released v.1.4, i guess what did they change. It's incredible that allied bombers, when they fly and bomb at night, do get so few op. losses and so low fatugue levels even when flying at 5,000 fts. On the contrary, my high exp. LRbombers flying at 7,000 ft thet do not get any hits at night and they suffer really high op. losses....[:-]
Hi, In one of my PBEM it is late Feb and Allies have lost close to 60 B-17 (more B-17 have been lost then A6M2)
Of course most of the A6M2 lost have been destroyed on the ground by B-17 bombs
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
Hi, In one of my PBEM it is late Feb and Allies have lost close to 60 B-17 (more B-17 have been lost then A6M2)
Of course most of the A6M2 lost have been destroyed on the ground by B-17 bombs
Hi, i understand what you mean and i agree with you. What is strange is that Martins,Hudsons and chinese IL4s obtain so good results, without seing their numbers go down, night after night, for operational losses, morale/fatigue or AA losses...they fly very very low( 5,000 fts)...Do you think that's normal? more than 2 weeks of night attack without any stop should have emptied at least the Martin pool.....
Hi, Well it depends of course on many things.
In my games I hope the enemy wonders how I can bomb night after night. (but I have 2 or more groups and every night I change them.)
At low altitude with AA in the hex you'd think you'd do some damage to the attacking bombers.
Their morale is a product of how well they are doing, their leader and HQ.
And of course a group can keep flying with the pool empty. I don't use my pools for front line groups.
(The enemy never knows how much impact he has on my front line units because I keep them close to full strength with trained replacements.)
You have to watch the animation to see how many actual groups are attacking.
Early on I can send 36 Sally from 1 group. Later I need 2 groups to send 36 but if the enemy is not paying attention all he sees is there are still 36 Sally in the attack.
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
yes, ok, i got it. But as my AARs say every night there are almost 15/20 martins flying from Chadupur to Rangoon ( 11 hexes) which is quite a long range i guess. 5,000 fts with 2 Heavy AA units waiting for them, should be quite a dangerous travel for them, but it's not. I always whatch the animations. My oscars got pierced in the air by the defensive fire, exactly as Zeros( i've lost 2 zeros two night ago in a dogfight with a IL4). What really seems too strange to me it is not the fact that my fighters cannot do anything at night. That's pretty understandable. What's not is the fact that their losses are always too light( max 1 op. losses for every night sortie). I'm not complaining, do not misunderstand me, i'm just saying that i find these results quite strange. Don't you?
