Sand in the Vaseline - Wobbly vs PzB
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RE: India unravelling
The PBYs are actually pretty good once you get them into the 75-80 experience range. That takes some time, and I doubt any of the squads are near that level this early in the war.
"The Paraguayan Air Force's request for spraying subsidies was not as Paraguayan as it were..."
RE: India unravelling
I don't know whether I can move West and then North. Looking at the road layout I think the AI path finding is again going to scupper my ideas. This will mean I have to retreat towards Hyderabad,
Watch out for the map graphic inaccuracies. Press the "R" hot key, I think, to call up an overlay that is generated by a map data file. This data file, not the graphic one, is the one that governs land movement and supply. I don't remember, but there might be a couple of glitches in India. Worth checking out, if you have the time.
RE: India unravelling
Oh for god sake! Now he is counter attacking Tarawa. An air attack on the troops beside Jamshedpur is smashed by defending P-40s. Continued carnage with the transports.
Mlees - it's not the road network that is causing me to spit tacks it is the AI course decisions. I want to move one legitimate hex and you revert to your turn and it has reset. I then aim at a base location in the hinterland at and goes towards the Japs - choosing the rail into death. Land movement is now vital but as others have said it is broke broke broke!
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/07/42
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Day Air attack on 33rd Division, at 20,12
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 7
Beaufort V-IX x 21
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
I have started bombing the Westerly ground units. Not doing too much damage at present.
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Day Air attack on 82nd Naval Guard Unit, at 85,91
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 21
P-40B Tomahawk x 13
No Allied losses
Aircraft Attacking:
Well this is the last one of these for a while. I retire the tomahawks to Canton but the wildcats can't reach. It looks like I am about to loose a squillion wildcats on the ground in Tarawa. I wonder how many men he has in the counter attacking force?
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Day Air attack on 16th Indian Brigade, at 28,21
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
Ki-48 Lily x 9
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 11
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 20 destroyed
Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported
The P-40s yet again cannot find the bombers but it appears the zeros have been apportioned poor pilots. I now have 2 pilots with 10 kills in the 24th Sqd P-40s.
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Day Air attack on TF at 4,21
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
B5N Kate x 4
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
AK Empire Derwent, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
Azillion more of these bloody transport attacks - when is he going to run our of bloody air points for gods sake. I am sick and tired of being a bloody whipping boy!
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Ground combat at 22,14
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 69595 troops, 786 guns, 28 vehicles
Defending force 254 troops, 2 guns, 1 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 1750 to 1
70K troops - I am back in the doldrums again. I missed reporting a turn where he shock attacked against the now dug in 5th UK Division and was heavily repulsed 3500 lost men and 100 gunsto my loss of 79 men. Rubbish but it had me perk up fora second. The sad fact is I cannot repulse the 5 Divisions now about to fall on the 2nd Oz.
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Ground combat at Tarawa
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 12130 troops, 108 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 4536 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles
Well there are still 4500 enemy troops on Tarawa and I can't even hurt them. So how am I going to manage against a whole shitload more?
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Ground combat at Jamshedpur
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 2020 troops, 20 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 34270 troops, 231 guns, 143 vehicles
I had a wee look at what he has at Jamshedpur and at present I am not going to retreat my fighters. Oh wait in fact I can't retreat my ground units either. In another completely disgusting display for ground movement rules it becomes obvious that I can'tmove to the LEGITIMATE hex to the west of Jamshedpur. The only reason PzB hasn't wiped the map with me yet is he is having the same ridiculous problems.
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Damn it to hell and back. I am very frustrated by this turn of events! I cannot retreat in India. I cannot come up with a decent bloody plan without it being overcome. Does it feel to you allied players, well the ones that don't run for the hills and hide until the Japs have actually beaten themselves by expanding too far without finding your skulking units, that nothing works against them?
India is panic stations. I don't feel like I can use a slow down option. I cannot let him force me to retreat and if I stay in large enough numbers I can't trust the game to LET me retreat. Far safer just to keep on yielding until I get to my final line of defense - woah betide if that isn't good enough. Better have a crystal ball! I put in so much time to this venture that things like this really make me loose my patience. It is worse at getting from point A to B in a straight line than a pissed duck with one leg!
Enough about India. I now have another major headache in Tarawa. At least there is no retreating from tarawa. It is hold or bust. Of course my units will surrender unlike the vermin Jap.
Possible reinforcements are only available in the shape of the bombardment group aiming at Tarawa and currently at Canton. He will have unloaded all his troops by the time I get there and I have no bombers with the range to be able to get there and hit his invasion forces. The BB is the California. Unfortunately (man I really do use that word alot) it is as slow as a wet week. SO I split it out with a single DD escort and send the 2 CAs and 2 CLs plus some DDs into the firing squad. Because he is the attacker he will have the advatage again. However. If I can somehow make him pay then the 1st marines is about 10 days away.
the bombardment unit at Lunga also moves back towards tarawa. Yet again I had no idea he would do this and I have been building airfields rather than fortresses. All hands to the pumps now but what will that do. The engineers MUST have pristeen airfields and maintenance sheds - better fix them first Archie!
I am glum glum glum.
Mlees - it's not the road network that is causing me to spit tacks it is the AI course decisions. I want to move one legitimate hex and you revert to your turn and it has reset. I then aim at a base location in the hinterland at and goes towards the Japs - choosing the rail into death. Land movement is now vital but as others have said it is broke broke broke!
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/07/42
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Day Air attack on 33rd Division, at 20,12
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 7
Beaufort V-IX x 21
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
I have started bombing the Westerly ground units. Not doing too much damage at present.
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Day Air attack on 82nd Naval Guard Unit, at 85,91
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 21
P-40B Tomahawk x 13
No Allied losses
Aircraft Attacking:
Well this is the last one of these for a while. I retire the tomahawks to Canton but the wildcats can't reach. It looks like I am about to loose a squillion wildcats on the ground in Tarawa. I wonder how many men he has in the counter attacking force?
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Day Air attack on 16th Indian Brigade, at 28,21
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
Ki-48 Lily x 9
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 11
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 20 destroyed
Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported
The P-40s yet again cannot find the bombers but it appears the zeros have been apportioned poor pilots. I now have 2 pilots with 10 kills in the 24th Sqd P-40s.
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Day Air attack on TF at 4,21
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
B5N Kate x 4
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
AK Empire Derwent, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
Azillion more of these bloody transport attacks - when is he going to run our of bloody air points for gods sake. I am sick and tired of being a bloody whipping boy!
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Ground combat at 22,14
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 69595 troops, 786 guns, 28 vehicles
Defending force 254 troops, 2 guns, 1 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 1750 to 1
70K troops - I am back in the doldrums again. I missed reporting a turn where he shock attacked against the now dug in 5th UK Division and was heavily repulsed 3500 lost men and 100 gunsto my loss of 79 men. Rubbish but it had me perk up fora second. The sad fact is I cannot repulse the 5 Divisions now about to fall on the 2nd Oz.
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Ground combat at Tarawa
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 12130 troops, 108 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 4536 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles
Well there are still 4500 enemy troops on Tarawa and I can't even hurt them. So how am I going to manage against a whole shitload more?
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Ground combat at Jamshedpur
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 2020 troops, 20 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 34270 troops, 231 guns, 143 vehicles
I had a wee look at what he has at Jamshedpur and at present I am not going to retreat my fighters. Oh wait in fact I can't retreat my ground units either. In another completely disgusting display for ground movement rules it becomes obvious that I can'tmove to the LEGITIMATE hex to the west of Jamshedpur. The only reason PzB hasn't wiped the map with me yet is he is having the same ridiculous problems.
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Damn it to hell and back. I am very frustrated by this turn of events! I cannot retreat in India. I cannot come up with a decent bloody plan without it being overcome. Does it feel to you allied players, well the ones that don't run for the hills and hide until the Japs have actually beaten themselves by expanding too far without finding your skulking units, that nothing works against them?
India is panic stations. I don't feel like I can use a slow down option. I cannot let him force me to retreat and if I stay in large enough numbers I can't trust the game to LET me retreat. Far safer just to keep on yielding until I get to my final line of defense - woah betide if that isn't good enough. Better have a crystal ball! I put in so much time to this venture that things like this really make me loose my patience. It is worse at getting from point A to B in a straight line than a pissed duck with one leg!
Enough about India. I now have another major headache in Tarawa. At least there is no retreating from tarawa. It is hold or bust. Of course my units will surrender unlike the vermin Jap.
Possible reinforcements are only available in the shape of the bombardment group aiming at Tarawa and currently at Canton. He will have unloaded all his troops by the time I get there and I have no bombers with the range to be able to get there and hit his invasion forces. The BB is the California. Unfortunately (man I really do use that word alot) it is as slow as a wet week. SO I split it out with a single DD escort and send the 2 CAs and 2 CLs plus some DDs into the firing squad. Because he is the attacker he will have the advatage again. However. If I can somehow make him pay then the 1st marines is about 10 days away.
the bombardment unit at Lunga also moves back towards tarawa. Yet again I had no idea he would do this and I have been building airfields rather than fortresses. All hands to the pumps now but what will that do. The engineers MUST have pristeen airfields and maintenance sheds - better fix them first Archie!
I am glum glum glum.
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RE: India unravelling
Over the hill
RE: India unravelling
Wobbly,
Hang tough, there's always a light at the end of the tunnel (unless it's a train coming down on you!). I've been following this AAR for awhile now and am impressed you managed to hold things pretty much together (mentally) this long. The bug part sucks and hope you two work it out.
Face it, you're up against a tough strategy that has people starting threads like "Can the Allies win?" While I'm sure you'd rather pass on being the center of an experiment such as this one, it's proving to be great reading and very educational.
My advice: Hunker down and when PZB ain't looking, kick him in the balls. [:D]
Sincerely
Kelly
Hang tough, there's always a light at the end of the tunnel (unless it's a train coming down on you!). I've been following this AAR for awhile now and am impressed you managed to hold things pretty much together (mentally) this long. The bug part sucks and hope you two work it out.
Face it, you're up against a tough strategy that has people starting threads like "Can the Allies win?" While I'm sure you'd rather pass on being the center of an experiment such as this one, it's proving to be great reading and very educational.
My advice: Hunker down and when PZB ain't looking, kick him in the balls. [:D]
Sincerely
Kelly
Plankowner USS Kauffman (FFG-59).
RE: India unravelling
I think you have him right where you want him....
PZB is overextending and from having to commit (relatively few forces) in northern Burma to hold you down he is going to have to commit massive resources to fight a war in India where the Indian Army weaknesses are minimised.
(low Amphib capability and short legged fighters)
Your CV's are intact and dangerous and you have a SOPAC offensive building momentum.
If you can stop him winning by holding onto the Ahmabad / Delhi line and getting enough of the army back to mount 43 - 44 offensives then I think ultimate victory will be yours.
I am not saying its an easy win as it all hinges on clinging on in India in 42 but I think you are doing as good a job of hanging in there as anyone can do.
The key thing (if you can manage it) is not to get penned into one base as that will be hard to fight back from.
Andy
PZB is overextending and from having to commit (relatively few forces) in northern Burma to hold you down he is going to have to commit massive resources to fight a war in India where the Indian Army weaknesses are minimised.
(low Amphib capability and short legged fighters)
Your CV's are intact and dangerous and you have a SOPAC offensive building momentum.
If you can stop him winning by holding onto the Ahmabad / Delhi line and getting enough of the army back to mount 43 - 44 offensives then I think ultimate victory will be yours.
I am not saying its an easy win as it all hinges on clinging on in India in 42 but I think you are doing as good a job of hanging in there as anyone can do.
The key thing (if you can manage it) is not to get penned into one base as that will be hard to fight back from.
Andy
RE: India unravelling
Also if he wants to fight you at Tarawa outside of Zero range I say let him more VP's for you.
Without major CV support Tarawa is a death trap for him if he chooses to keep up bombardments and re invade (which IMHO would be lunacy on his part), although where he gets forces for a re invasion given what he has committed to India I do not know, then you can send em all to Davy Jones Locker.
In fact if he commits troops to re invade thats a good thing...he only has so many ground forces able to react if he sucks more off the the SOPAC thats good as you are changing the axis of your advance anyway.
If the Long Island is close I would parade her about Tarawa just to make him think you still have CV support in the area.
I am sorry now that you have Tarawa I just dont see PZB doing much to take it back but I hope he does the more he commits there the longer it will take to react to Java
Get some marine Wildcats and Dauntlesses on Tarawa back them up with a B25 Group and some Tomahawks for ranged escort and he will struggle to get close enough for these bombardment runs and if he does so what !! get some PT Boats or a Cruiser Gp and damage a few of his ships this will allow your air to catch them in range the next day.
I repeat I just cannot see a re invasion of Tarawa as being viable without CV support and if he commits CV's against Tarawa then he aint got them at Java every Jap CV you sink means another 800 points he needs to get for 4:1.
Get some Seabees on the way and retake some of the other islands in the vicinity and Tarawa will be way more aggravation than its worth to retake for PZB !!!!
(If still in range might be worth exchanging a Devastator Gp off of one of your CV's for a Marine Wildcat/ Dauntless Sqn to give tarawa some real close in punch you never know fortunes of war when he might make a mistake and let a bombardment gp get to close......)
Andy
Without major CV support Tarawa is a death trap for him if he chooses to keep up bombardments and re invade (which IMHO would be lunacy on his part), although where he gets forces for a re invasion given what he has committed to India I do not know, then you can send em all to Davy Jones Locker.
In fact if he commits troops to re invade thats a good thing...he only has so many ground forces able to react if he sucks more off the the SOPAC thats good as you are changing the axis of your advance anyway.
If the Long Island is close I would parade her about Tarawa just to make him think you still have CV support in the area.
I am sorry now that you have Tarawa I just dont see PZB doing much to take it back but I hope he does the more he commits there the longer it will take to react to Java
Get some marine Wildcats and Dauntlesses on Tarawa back them up with a B25 Group and some Tomahawks for ranged escort and he will struggle to get close enough for these bombardment runs and if he does so what !! get some PT Boats or a Cruiser Gp and damage a few of his ships this will allow your air to catch them in range the next day.
I repeat I just cannot see a re invasion of Tarawa as being viable without CV support and if he commits CV's against Tarawa then he aint got them at Java every Jap CV you sink means another 800 points he needs to get for 4:1.
Get some Seabees on the way and retake some of the other islands in the vicinity and Tarawa will be way more aggravation than its worth to retake for PZB !!!!
(If still in range might be worth exchanging a Devastator Gp off of one of your CV's for a Marine Wildcat/ Dauntless Sqn to give tarawa some real close in punch you never know fortunes of war when he might make a mistake and let a bombardment gp get to close......)
Andy
RE: India unravelling
Yeah, I wouldn't worry much about Tarawa. His CVs are still in the Indian Ocean, and without CV support he's taking an awful risk fooling around with Tarawa. If he has BBs allocated for bombardment you could catch those and claw back some VPs.
I speak from bitter experience as when I play the AI I'm always raiding with bombardment TFs, I don't like being used a punching bag so I always try to take the fight to the enemy. This means the PoW and Repulse don't last long under my inept admiralship.
I speak from bitter experience as when I play the AI I'm always raiding with bombardment TFs, I don't like being used a punching bag so I always try to take the fight to the enemy. This means the PoW and Repulse don't last long under my inept admiralship.
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RE: India unravelling
Hang in there. I know India looks bad- ok so understatement. But your bleeding him now, and his ship loses will catch up. Your eating into his pilots at a far greater rate in the game then was historical in june'42. For one, i am pretty confident that if you can ride this wave out for a few months more, then your golden. ok ok, easy for me to say. Good luck- excellent AAr
RE: India unravelling
I also think you can pull this one out. Hang in there! Anxious to hear what happens at Tarawa.
RE: India unravelling
How many CVs does PzB have in the Indic? There might be some near Tarawa, too. Be cautious Wobbly. Do as much recon you can and find all his CVs, CVLs and CVEs else you might receive a annoying surprise.
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RE: India unravelling
Wobbly, i hear congratulations are in order. Best of wishes..
RE: India unravelling
Aye many congratulations
RE: India unravelling
Oh no another poor soul lost to the dark side....[:D]
Congrats Wobbly.
Sincerely
Kelly
Congrats Wobbly.
Sincerely
Kelly
Plankowner USS Kauffman (FFG-59).
RE: India unravelling
Congratulations man! Now you have to find something for PzB. Maybe he'll get sloppy...
Anyway, I wish you all the luck, money, happiness and health. Enjoy!
Anyway, I wish you all the luck, money, happiness and health. Enjoy!
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Gen.Hoepner
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RE: India unravelling
Congratulations!
Might there be 48 h a day so you could have both, your wife and WITP!
Frank
Might there be 48 h a day so you could have both, your wife and WITP!
Frank
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RE: India unravelling
Good for you Wobbly. Roped one in...
If she complains about the time you spend playing WiTP, tell her: "Well, at least I'm not out bellied up to some bar flirtun' with some floozy..."[8D]
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If she complains about the time you spend playing WiTP, tell her: "Well, at least I'm not out bellied up to some bar flirtun' with some floozy..."[8D]
PS- Don't take marital advice from strangers...[;)]
RE: India unravelling
Congrats Wobbly.
Waht has PzB given you as a wedding gift.........[:D]
Waht has PzB given you as a wedding gift.........[:D]
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RE: India unravelling
Wobbly... 1st, congrat's.... 2nd, welcome back. I've often wondered, where does one from NZ go on vacation? I mean you have the sun- right .. Seattle??? [:D]