Petition for Battleships in Starshatter

[DamoclesX]

hey!! its the USS France!!

there ya go diablo!!!

[YankeeDoodle]

That thing must get excellent TV reception. Just look at how big the dish is. I could watch the Superbowl while plundering ships! Argh!

[Kuokkanen]

ORIGINAL: LeonH

- the bit about Bs carrying fighters yes i can see this it stands to reason infact they toyed with having some form of planes on ships in ww2 altho thoes were mostly used a scouts.

Oh yes, I have read cartoon book where scout plane was carried by destroyer or cruiser. Plane was deployed to water (water pontoons on the plane) before it took off. When returning, it landed near the ship were it was towed back on the deck.

[Mr. D]

ORIGINAL: LeonH

*wonder how sheilds will cope with thoes*

Yeah, I guess It's a Dune or Stargate thing: if it's too slow it's not gonna be deflected...well but unlike Dune or Stargate where it's gonna hit a human body there would DEFINITELY be some serious issues with getting thought that plating[;)]

[Melkor]

hey!! its the USS France!!

there ya go diablo!!!

Can't be...there's not enough armor on the aft quarter to protect it during "rapid retreats" (i.e. running away and asking Anglo-Saxons for help)

[LeonH]

yeah but it goes realy fast dont you see the go faster spoiler on the back? and the realy big engines that go Zooooom,

[Mr. D]

ORIGINAL: LeonH

yeah but it goes realy fast dont you see the go faster spoiler on the back? and the realy big engines that go Zooooom,

Not quite, that was my tribite to the DC9/MD80 Commercial Plane series and besides "U.S.S France" is pretty much an oximoron don't you think?

[Pheonix Starflare]

"U.S.S" doesn't have to stand for "United States Ship" ya know...surrender starts with an "S" for example.

[Mr. D]

Given my country's historic background I always try to be a little careful in these matters, but now that you mention it, as I recall the Vietnamese said after the second Vietnam/Indochina war, that the French fought harder in the first than the Americans in the second...[:-]

[YankeeDoodle]

ORIGINAL: Mr. D

Given my country's historic background I always try to be a little careful in these matters, but now that you mention it, as I recall the Vietnamese said after the second Vietnam/Indochina war, that the French fought harder in the first than the Americans in the second...[:-]

Come now, thats a matter of opinion and you know it. Both sides technically fought for about the same length of time, and both sides were forced to withdrawn after their populations got tired of what seemed like an endless war on the otherside of the planet. However there is a major distinction between the two. The final blow in Vietnam for the French if I recall correctly was Dien Bien Phu and the disaster that turned out to be. In contrast the US exit out of Vietnam was followed after Operation Linebackers I and II the uniformed mass bombing of North Vietnam by every last B-52 in the US Air Force on a continual basis. The NVA didnt want their country bombed into the stonage and thus went to Paris to resume peacetalks after I began. Talks break down, and thus II begaun which had the NVA return to the negotiating table. In the end the US withdrew with a ceasefire intact..to bad it didnt last longer than five minutes after US troops left entirely.

[Mr. D]

Very well, but there is one bit of a difference between the way the two countries fought the war: the French did not fight that war with such an extensive amount of air support and still stayed there for such a long time, anf they did not call for Anglo-Saxon support, did they?
Think of it that way: what happened if the American troops had fought that war without so much carpet bombing and helicopters.
Don't get me wrong I do have respect for every Soldier that fights in a war, but since WWII it seems to me that the American troops seem to be unable to conduct major military operation without air superiority and air support, no matter whether the enemy has any kind of air support or not.
Think of the Ardennes where the Allied troops could only mount a counterattack as soon as the wheather got better and they could use their air force.

But I think this may be the wrong place to discuss this matter anyway...we are here to discuss "Air support" from BBs, aren't we?[;)]

[AncientAngel]

Quoting an old high school teacher- "Use all of your tools before you become one."

Use what you have but do not rely on it to a point where it becomes a fault and not an advantage. I totally agree with yeah ...but since I was not there I can not turely say which way it would have fallen. I guess that depends if you where on the front line or shuffling coffee for the NCO's.

[Necromancer]

Hehe...after a few hours of work... Here's your Alliance Battleship...
It's not totally .def'ed yet... but that wont take long..

Necromancer

[Kuokkanen]

Looks nice. Diabolico, why don't you say anything about it? [:D]

[Necromancer]

Thanks, although I'm not sure I like the antenna on the front or not...they seem to be a bit more over-stated than I origionally intended...

[Mr. D]

ORIGINAL: Necromancer

Thanks, although I'm not sure I like the antenna on the front or not...they seem to be a bit more over-stated than I origionally intended...

It's quite cool, I must say. I guess this is more like what Diabolico meant, than my "creation".
If you are not satisfied you can call it a prototype and change it, Rome was not built in one day.
If you want to abandon it you can still call the biggest SWACS ever built.[;)]

[Necromancer]

Closer to the origional concept of the thread (I think anyway)... I didn't design it as a modified freighter, I tried to stay close to the origional Alliance ship designs to make it look like a 'military' ship... I think I'm going to try for a more 'freighter' look when I do the the next ship... I think the Alliance could afford to put a true battleship in space, but the Hegemony would have to resort to a refit program to space something comperable...

[Pheonix Starflare]

Very nice Necro! What's she armed with? Looks like 6 x-lasers?

As far as a Hegemony 'retrofitted' BB...I could imagine a carrier without any fighters and torp launchers crammed into it's fighter bays, or a cruiser with large amounts of armor bolted on or something else...I did like the suggestion made earlier about freighters refitted with a huge amount of warhead launcher and perhaps military-grade shielding. Seems like a throw-away counter to BB's. Overwhelm the PD and some torps are bound to get through. If you lose a couple missile platforms, oh well, you sunk their battleship!

PS I didn't mean to offend anyone with the france/surrender reference. Sorry if I did.

[Dragonlead]

Necro,

Nice work. I think you're right; the antennas do look a bit over-done.

How is the maneuverability on your beast? Traditionally, the bigger the ship, the longer it takes to change course. With fixed mounts like you show, I imagine it will be pretty easy to get in behind this thing and pound away (presuming of course that any escort has already been dispensed with.) How's the PD?

V/R

[Necromancer]

Thanks guys...
I've armed her with:
8 Plasma Lasers (Because I couldn't figure out the weapon tag for Gamma Ray Lasers like the Devistator is armed -- anyone know off hand)
8 Phalanx Cannons (4x fore, 4x aft)
4 Fusion Torpedo Launchers (all mounted foreward)
4 Mk7 Interceptor Launchers (all mounted foreward)

It moves like a pig, takes almost 2 minutes to turn 90 degrees. It accellerates painfully slow, and decellerates even slower if using retros...
I've fixed the antennas up front and changed the lower wing structure a little bit, I've posted an over-head with other Alliance ships to give you an idea of just how big this monster really is... The Plasma Lasers are very powerful, but take a while to arm, and their firing ark is painfully small, this ship would probably best be used for static station assaults, but in a fleet engagement the enemy would chew it up in no time if it had no support.