Combined Historical Scenario - Aircraft

[Tankerace]

I wonder how WitP would handle the JU-88/FW-190 Mistel.... that'd be SWEET.

[2ndACR]

Not sure about the JU-88, but I sure would love the FW-190. At least the Japanese were offered it for license build. I think it was too expensive and would have had some problems with QC.

Then lets see the Allied bombers fly unscathed attacking any of my bases. I know the FW190 will punch holes in them.[:-]

[mlees]

I know the FW190 will punch holes in them.

Maybe. Pilot experience counts for a lot. When was (would) the aircraft be available?

[2ndACR]

The Germans were flying it in 1940-41. Not sure when the Japanese would be flying it though. Say 1942-43. Course by then the Japanese are starting to get some decent a/c of their own. Would be nice to have for the Japanese army though.

That is just a what if. If only they had built it. Would it have made a difference.

[Ron Saueracker]

You guys rock! Thanks for helping out...this is going to be the real thing.[&o]

[Lemurs!]

Elf,

I will get the list of aircraft to you Saturday.

Subchaser,

I am not at all trying to be rude (especially to you guys!) but, i feel we need to get going with this project and not just talk forever.
I have given people time to come up with ideas for aircraft changes, now it is time to implement.

Sub, if you have any last minute stuff mail me at lysimachus@charter.net.

Mike

[TheElf]

One of my only big inputs would be the addition of the the Shiden with an earlier arrival time. The date of arrival in game of the Shiden-KAI as it stands now is incorrect.

If there isn't enough room to have the Shiden and the Shide-KAI then it is my opinion that the Shiden-KAI's arrival should reflect the arrival of the Shiden in 43'. I've always felt that this situation was unfair for the Japanese player.

[Herrbear]

Has a final list of aircraft been posted?

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Herrbear

Has a final list of aircraft been posted?

Nearly there ....

[Lemurs!]

Final list of aircraft:
A5M4
A6M2-N
A6M2
A6M3
A6M5
A6M8
A7M2
N1K
N1K1-J
J2M
J7W
J1N1-S
C6N1-S
D7A -Grace Divebomber-
D1A
D3A2
D4Y
A6M7
A6M3a
B4Y
B5N2
B6N2
B7A
G3M
G4M1
G4M2
G4M2e
P1Y
N1K2-J
J1N1-R
C5M
C6N
G5N -Liz heavy bomber-
H6K4
H8K
Ki-83
H6K2-L
L1N1
L3Y
E14Y1
E8N
F1M2
E13A1
E7K2
Ki-61-II KAIb
Ki-27
Ki-43-Ib
Ki-43-IIa
Ki-44-IIb
Ki-45 KAIa -heavy fighter-
Ki-45 KAIb -fighter bomber-
Ki-45 KAIc -night fighter-
Ki-46-III KAI -night fighter-
Ki-61-Ib
Ki-84-Ia
Ki-84-Ic
Ki-100
Ki-102a -heavy fighter-
L2D2
Ki-30
Ki-32
Ki-51
Ki-21-II
Ki-48-I
Ki-49
Ki-67
Ki-46-II
Ki-46-III
Ki-15
Ki-36
Ki-57-II
Ki-59
Ki-48-II
Ki-102b -fighter bomber-

I have removed the Ki54 as it was not really a standard transport aircraft. I was tempted to add Takeo Doi's push-pull fighter, but it was available for full production in Dec '43 and i just felt it would invalidate the rest of the Japanese aircraft.
Too big of an advantage.

I did not add any of the high altitude interceptors as altitude does not matter in mnvr calcs in this game.

Mike

[Lemurs!]

Allied:

Sea Hurricane
Seafire I/II
Fulmar
F2A2
Martlet II
F4F3
F4F4
FM2
F6F
Hellcat II
F4U1
F4U1D
Corsair III/IV
Firefly
SB2U
SBD
SB2C
F6F5N
Swordfish
Barracuda
TBD
TBF
TBM
Avenger I/II
Albacore
TBM3D
PBY
Catalina I
Singapore
Empire
Sunderland
Do24K
OS2U3
SOC3
CXIW
PBM
Dakota I
C47
Lockheed 212
C60A
PB2Y
Lysander I
Wirraway
Boomerang II
Mohawk IV
Hawk 75A
CW21B
Brewster 339D
Buffalo I
Hurricane IIB
Spitfire VB
Spitfire VIII
Spitfire XIV
Kittyhawk I
Kittyhawk III
Thuderbolt II
Blenheim IF
Beaufighter VIF
CW22
FK51
Stranraer
Vildebeest
Vengeance I
TIVa
Walrus
Blenheim I
Blenheim IV
Wellington III
Liberator VI
Martin 139
Hudson I
Beaufort I
Beaufighter VIC
Mosquito FB
Mosquito PR
Mosquito B
Beaufighter Mk21
Beaufort V-IX
Ventura V
C46
P26A
P35A
P36A
P400
P39D
P40B
P40E
P40N
P38G
P38J
F5A
F5C
P47C
P47D
P47N
A36A
P51B
P51D
F6A
F6D
P61A
P70A
B18A
PV1n
A24
A20B
A20G
PV1
B25C
B25J
P51H
B26B
B26G
F7F -Tigercat, land based only-
A26B
Lancaster
B17D
B17E
B17G
LB30
PB4Y
B24D
B24J
P43A
B29
Hurricane IIc/IId/IV
Seafire III/XV
Wildcat IV/VI
F4U4
F2A3
F8F1 -Bearcat-

edit: And the Ryan Freakin Fireball

I may add the Skyraider and the B25G or H

What are your thoughts?

Mike

[Ron Saueracker]

F7F Tigercats flew off the Midways, correct. Why not CV capable? Lack of enough slots or to keep Allied player honest and not base them on smaller CVs?

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

F7F Tigercats flew off the Midways, correct. Why not CV capable? Lack of enough slots or to keep Allied player honest and not base them on smaller CVs?

Perhaps- but right now the Midways are not in the game! And I do believe we have allocated all the carrier capable slots.

Don

[Iron Duke]

Hi,

VMF(N)-534 in F7F-3's completed field carrier landing practice in Jan 1946 in preperation for qualification landings aboard USS Shangri-La in Feb 1946 during this period one a/c had a starboard wing failure on touchdown. Operations were suspended and all a/c were inspected and revealed evidence of structural damage to engine mounts,wing spars and landing gear. F7F's upto F7F-3N were prohibited from arrested landings , F7f-4N's were strengthened in light of these findings.

[Lemurs!]

What Iron Duke said!

Mike

[Lemurs!]

Thats what really amused me about some aircraft people asked for.

Like the Bearcat... um, this was not the 1947 racer this version has a top speed of 423. Better than a Hellcat but not a Mustang or a Corsair.

I did give the Bearcat very high mnvr though as the cat line was one of the few actual fighters built by the Americans during the war.
Mustangs and to an extant Lightnings, escort fighters.
Thunderbolts, better escort and ground attack than pure fighter.


Mike

[Herrbear]

I would lean towards another B-25J with the solid nose and strafer pack as around 800ish were built and more field modified. That way two types of squadrons could be fielded.

[Herrbear]

I am assuming that the Russians and Chinese planes are still there.

[Bulldog61]

ORIGINAL: Lemurs!

Allied:

Sea Hurricane
Seafire I/II
Fulmar
F2A2
Martlet II
F4F3
F4F4
FM2
F6F
Hellcat II
F4U1
F4U1D
Corsair III/IV
Firefly
SB2U
SBD
SB2C
F6F5N
Swordfish
Barracuda
TBD
TBF
TBM
Avenger I/II
Albacore
TBM3D
PBY
Catalina I
Singapore
Empire
Sunderland
Do24K
OS2U3
SOC3
CXIW
PBM
Dakota I
C47
Lockheed 212
C60A
PB2Y
Lysander I
Wirraway
Boomerang II
Mohawk IV
Hawk 75A
CW21B
Brewster 339D
Buffalo I
Hurricane IIB
Spitfire VB
Spitfire VIII
Spitfire XIV
Kittyhawk I
Kittyhawk III
Thuderbolt II
Blenheim IF
Beaufighter VIF
CW22
FK51
Stranraer
Vildebeest
Vengeance I
TIVa
Walrus
Blenheim I
Blenheim IV
Wellington III
Liberator VI
Martin 139
Hudson I
Beaufort I
Beaufighter VIC
Mosquito FB
Mosquito PR
Mosquito B
Beaufighter Mk21
Beaufort V-IX
Ventura V
C46
P26A
P35A
P36A
P400
P39D
P40B
P40E
P40N
P38G
P38J
F5A
F5C
P47C
P47D
P47N
A36A
P51B
P51D
F6A
F6D
P61A
P70A
B18A
PV1n
A24
A20B
A20G
PV1
B25C
B25J
P51H
B26B
B26G
F7F -Tigercat, land based only-
A26B
Lancaster
B17D
B17E
B17G
LB30
PB4Y
B24D
B24J
P43A
B29
Hurricane IIc/IId/IV
Seafire III/XV
Wildcat IV/VI
F4U4
F2A3
F8F1 -Bearcat-

edit: And the Ryan Freakin Fireball

I may add the Skyraider and the B25G or H

What are your thoughts?

Mike

Do my eyes deceive me or is there no P-80's?

[Lemurs!]

No P80s. I have no way to represent their massive teething problems and that their operational loss rate was 4.1:1 over P47s.

Yes the Russians & Chinese are still there.

Someone needs to tell me 5 or squadrons that used the B25G/H/solid J.
That way i can split upgrade paths.
I need this fairly quickly.

Mike