Combined Historical Scenario - Ship Data

Ron Saueracker · Post by **Ron Saueracker** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:23 am

You gonna try that cool camo pattern Saratoga sported in 45?

Tankerace · Post by **Tankerace** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:34 am

eh, what the Hell. If not tonight, tomorrow.

CobraAus · Post by **CobraAus** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:01 am

And, my first attempt at a camo pattern

check this site TankerAce should help us both cover all cameo 1941 to 46 Us Navy
www.shipcamouflage.com

Tankerace · Post by **Tankerace** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:18 am

Hey thanks a lot.

Here is the Saratoga, I'm starting the Essexes next.

These things take about 30 minutes to hand camo, wow....

Thanks for all the compliments everyone.

Funny thing, the camo really works. It looks like all the camo is black, but if you really look and focus you can see the different shades.

Tankerace · Post by **Tankerace** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:40 am

The Essex, as based off of Randolph in 1944:

Tankerace · Post by **Tankerace** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:38 pm

Just so I know how far to go with this, do you guys want this for the upgrade graphics:

1941: Standard Grey, some PH BBs Grey and White.
1942: Measure 12 Modified (see my South Dakota Graphic) on most, some ships navy blue.
1943: Measure 32 (see Missouri, Essex, and Saratoga graphics) on some, Measure 33 and 22 on others
1944: Measures 32 and 33 predominate, some MS 22. Some ships will stay the same, others will switch schemes.
1945: Measure 22 which is the current navy blue up to height of stern, and grey above that.

Itll take a bit of work, but I think I can do it.

Tankerace · Post by **Tankerace** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:01 pm

To provide an example, I re did the Northamptons.

As she appeared at Pearl Harbor, in MS 1 Camo. Note grey foremast and white false bow wave.

Northampton class in mid-late '42 (I suggest 10/42 fit) MS 21 Camo, navy blue on all vertical surfaces.

Louisville in late '43/44 MS 32 Camo, similar to that of the previous I posted.

And what I had originally done, Louisville in 1945 in MS 22 Camo. While patterns are different, I think perhaps this could "spice things up" a bit for WitPers. Thoughts?

(BTW, each camo pattern is hand drawn, I did not scale down a photo or anything.)

Tankerace · Post by **Tankerace** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:10 pm

Wow.... the OS2U on the catapult stands out like a sore thumb in the MS 21 camo.

Tankerace · Post by **Tankerace** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:14 pm

Here is a Fletcher in MS 21 camo.

So, do we want to take a camo approach on all ships, some, none at all, or what?

Tankerace · Post by **Tankerace** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:17 pm

Which SoDak looks better, my original attempt:

Or this one:

I think the colors are more accurate in the seond one.

Ron Saueracker · Post by **Ron Saueracker** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:18 pm

ORIGINAL: Tankerace

To provide an example, I re did the Northamptons.

As she appeared at Pearl Harbor, in MS 1 Camo. Note grey foremast and white false bow wave.

Northampton class in mid-late '42 (I suggest 10/42 fit) MS 21 Camo, navy blue on all vertical surfaces.

Louisville in late '43/44 MS 32 Camo, similar to that of the previous I posted.

And what I had originally done, Louisville in 1945 in MS 22 Camo. While patterns are different, I think perhaps this could "spice things up" a bit for WitPers. Thoughts?

(BTW, each camo pattern is hand drawn, I did not scale down a photo or anything.)

[font="Tahoma"]THIS IS SOOOOO COOL![/font]

Gonna add the fore funnel extensions to Northampton or Portlands?

Ron Saueracker · Post by **Ron Saueracker** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:21 pm

Uhhhhhh....I like the varied approach. I also like spicy chili made with differrent beans, peppers, cuts of meat etc! Bring on the flavour explosion...and no secondary explosions![;)]

Tankerace · Post by **Tankerace** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:22 pm

Hahahahaha.... I've been up all night, but after my classes and a nap, I'll pop out some more.

I must confess.... I have a strong urge to make a pink submarine, and put Grant, C. as a sub leader.... [:D]

Ron Saueracker · Post by **Ron Saueracker** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:26 pm

ORIGINAL: Tankerace

Hahahahaha.... I've been up all night, but after my classes and a nap, I'll pop out some more.

I must confess.... I have a strong urge to make a pink submarine, and put Grant, C. as a sub leader.... [:D]

What was the subs name in Operation Petticoat? No reason why it can't be in the non respawn version of this.[:D]

Tankerace · Post by **Tankerace** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:26 pm

Gonna add the fore funnel extensions to Northampton or Portlands?

I don't think so, they don't really show up that well, and it kinda looks like they have them anyway.

Tankerace · Post by **Tankerace** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:27 pm

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

ORIGINAL: Tankerace

Hahahahaha.... I've been up all night, but after my classes and a nap, I'll pop out some more.

I must confess.... I have a strong urge to make a pink submarine, and put Grant, C. as a sub leader.... [:D]

What was the subs name in Operation Petticoat? No reason why it can't be in the non respawn version of this.[:D]

The Sea Tiger.

bstarr · Post by **bstarr** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:34 pm

Wow! I really like the camo patterns. Ms 21 is cool as hell. by all means, go for it.

Don Bowen · Post by **Don Bowen** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:53 pm

General note for Cruiser Radars: the standard for all U.S. Cruisers was one air warning set and one surface search set. Current class definitions include one or the other. I am going to adjust all radar upgrades to include both. When a ship that previously did not have radar upgrades to a class that has one type I will also add the other. This is not 100% accurate but is a reasonable generalization. Also, there is not a lot to work with in radar devices and many separate types have been compressed in to air search (air search, fighter control, height finder).

Omaha
(1239) Radar Upgraded to two sets
(1240) Radar Upgraded to two sets

Pensacola
(1223) - (1226) Radar upgraded to two sets.

Northampton
At the beginning of the war 4 US cruisers carried CXAM radar. Three from this class plus Pensacola. As there were five ships in this class in the Pacific on 12/7/41, I have generalized the early war radar by giving this class CXAM in it's original configuration (and not giving it to the Pensacolas). The fifth ship of this class is Houston, which did not have radar, and I will disable it on her.
(191) Add CXAM radar
(1227) No changes (and no second radar set)
(1228) Radar upgraded to two sets.
(1229) Radar upgraded to two sets.
(1230) 40mm reworked for twin mounts. Radar upgraded to two sets.

Portland
(1231) Radar upgraded to two sets.
(1232) Radar upgraded to two sets.
(1233) Device 11 number corrected, Radar upgraded to two sets.

New Orleans
(1234) - (1236) Radar upgraded to two sets.

Brooklyn
(1241) - (1244) Radar Upgraded to two sets.

Helena
(1245) - (1247) Radar upgraded to two sets.

Wichita
(194) Unused, ship refitted past this point before transfer to Pacific.
(1237) Radar upgraded to two sets.
(1238) 5in expanded for detail, Radar upgraded to two sets.

Atlanta
(209) Rearranged 1.1in Quad mounts for detail, added depth charges.
(1251) Rearranged 40mm for detail, added depth charges, radar upgraded to two sets.
(1252) Radar Upgraded to two sets.

Cleveland
ALL: Upgraded radar for two sets.

Baltimore
ALL: Upgraded radar for two sets.

Oakland
(210) Upgraded Radar for two sets.

Alaska
(189) Rearranged 5in/38 Twins for superfiring mounts, upgraded radar for two sets.

Tankerace · Post by **Tankerace** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:29 pm

Hey Don, since I am doing extensive camo work, can we add in 2 upgrades (or rather one) to the Portlands? From a camo point of view, they were similar to the Northamptons:

10/42 fit receives Ms 21 Navy Blue
4/43 (current final fit) same

In 1944 they underwent overhaul, and emerged with Ms 32 (see splinter camo)
In 1945 both ships were in Ms 22. So, can we alias the 10/42 and 4/43 graphic to Northamptons 10/42 graphic (I used the same, as for WitPs scale they are identical), then create a new upgrade in 1944, no work done per se, just yard time and a new graphic with an Ms32 pattern different than the Northamptons, and then do the same in 1945, so she can finish up in Ms22. This achieves several things:

1) simulates different yard time.
2) allows the player to pick camo. Since the 1944 and 1945 upgrades are the same, if he wants he can have the ship in either Ms22, 21, or 32 camo.

CobraAus · Post by **CobraAus** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:38 pm

So, do we want to take a camo approach on all ships, some, none at all, or what?

Go for it.. I've been doing Dons ships he sent me for 2 weeks now all the transports
allied done now doing japanese

Cobra Aus

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