Combined Historical Scenario - Naval Units

[Philbass]

Cool.

Looks like the Roberts to me. You can really see their whole purpose with the 15in guns. Mmmmm...15 inch guns...
I think the Abercrombie had more superstructure amidships but if we are going for it just one class then great.

Regards,

Phil Bass

PS what class are we going to make the monitors? Do we really want them assigned to surface combat TFs? Or don't we have a choice?

PPS It looks like you guys are tidying up the radar outfits of the US Navy, so I'll type up the stuff for the RN radar outfits. Can we have extra slots for new Radar Devices? Perhaps a total of 3 new Devices (Type 273, Type 286/291 and 281)

PPPS Do we fancy some Fighter Direction Ships? Specifically Ulster Queen and 3 converted LST. These were used with the 'Assault' escort carriers and carried lots of exciting radar and Ground Control Intercept (GCI) equipment for controlling CAP over invasion beachead.

[Ron Saueracker]

Yeah, I'm wondering about monitors and surface combat as well. I can just see these things beating the hell out of other BBs in big slugfests, which would be totally BS.[;)]

[CobraAus]

Looks like the Roberts to me.

Nop its is Abercombie done off line drawings and actual photo for the cameo

Cobra Aus

[Philbass]

Many apologies Cobra Aus,

My only side view/picture I have of Abercrombie is a rather small one in the quasi-official history of the Director of Naval Construction and I'm probably half blind anyway.

Many thanks for the good work,

Regards

Philip Bass

[Tankerace]

ORIGINAL: CobraAus

does anyone want to work up an icon for Abercrombie and Roberts????

here it is

Cobra Aus

Awsome art Cobra, but could you scale it down please? Right now, they will make the Repulse look like a puny destroyer. I applaud all the new art coming in, but we need to keep it reasonably to scale if all possible.

[CobraAus]

we need to keep it reasonably to scale if all possible.

done and sent

Cobra Aus

[Don Bowen]

After a couple of questions about the location of HMAS Kanimbla and HMAS Vampire on Dec 7, 1941 - I broke out the Official RAN history and looked it up.

1. Kanimbla was enroute Singapore from Penang. I had her in port at Padang (well - it sounds a little like Penang, doesn't it). I'll create a task force enroute Singapore and one day out.

2. HMS Repulse, escorted by Vampire and HMS Tenedos, had left Singapore enroute Darwin on December 5th. They turned around and returned as soon as the Japanese attacked. I'll place them one day out instead of two as they steamed at "cruising speed" before the war but returned at full speed.

Both of these two Task Forces could be signigicant. Kanimbla could be in trouble as the Japanese AI loves to attack shipping in the Malacca Strait. And having Repulse at sea instead of in-port at Singapore means the Prince of Wales/Repulse task force can not move to attack the Japanese Landings on the first day.

As always - any thoughts??

[Ron Saueracker]

Steve (Nikademus) made me aware of the following when he asked if I'd participate in a test PBEM with him regarding a mod he has done.

Japanese heavy cruiser turrets only had splinter protection (1 inch) however several sources got it wrong and reported 5 inches. There was a long flap about this on warships1.com several years ago. (Tironu was involved) I was initially resistant but after comparing the sources that stated 1inch vs 5 inch and examining photos, I had to conceed that 1 inch sources (including Conways) were the more accurate. You may recall i reported this change 5 times in the internal OOB thread but it's never been changed.

The common sense argument won too....part the reason the USN cruisers used tripples was to save weight and increase armor protection for the guns.....The Japanese went for dispersed armament with more turrets (and more weight) and consequently less armor per turret.

Interesting or what!?![X(]

[Ron Saueracker]

Farting around, I found that USS Hilo was available at San Diego June 1942, yet is slated to arrive over a year (turn 393) into the game. By July 42 she was tending the PT boats at Palmyra Island.

Jamestown was available at San Diego Aug 1942, yet is slated to arrive 398 turns into the game.

[Don Bowen]

Now that we have the Canal entry point I am reviewing the arrivals of US reinforcements. I intend to eventually review all US warships to determine which came through the canal - and when. Big job and it will take a while - compounded by periodic fits of excessive laziness. All ships will arrive at Panama City (301) as the canal is not navigable. For now:

Yorktown force (December 23, 1941):
Yorktown
Sims
Hughes
Russell
Walke

Mississippi Force (January 14, 1942)
Mississippi
Idaho
Anderson
Hammann
Mustin
O'Brien
Warrington (Actually not with the Mississippi Force, arrived at the Canal about the same time and used for local patrols)

Hornet Force (March 12, 1942)
Hornet
Nashville
Meredith
Grayson
Monssen
Gwin

Wasp Force (June 10, 1942)
Wasp
North Carolina
Quincy
San Juan
Wilson
Sterett
Lang
Buchanan
Farenholt

There's some contradiction in reports as to when ships passed the canal and as to the ships in company. One account, for instance, indicates Yorktown was escorted by six destroyers but I can only find four. Sometimes the dates at the canal are estimates - the Yorktown force left Norfolk on 16 December 1941 and reached San Diego, Calif., on 30 December 1941. Time at the Canal is a wild ass guess on my part.

Any additional information would be appreciated.

[Bradley7735]

Hi Don,

It might be easier to subtract a certain number of days for ships arriving in SF or SD. For example. If we assume it takes 10 days for the average ship to move from Panama Canal to SF, then just subtract 10 days arrival time for all ships that arrive at SF and subtract 8 days for ships arriving at SD or LA. (assuming they traveled through the PC and were not built on the west coast).

I realize that this may not be exactly historic, but I think it gets us pretty close with a lot less work.

I'm ok with this method. I'm not sure if others might think this would be a travesty.

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

Hi Don,

It might be easier to subtract a certain number of days for ships arriving in SF or SD. For example. If we assume it takes 10 days for the average ship to move from Panama Canal to SF, then just subtract 10 days arrival time for all ships that arrive at SF and subtract 8 days for ships arriving at SD or LA. (assuming they traveled through the PC and were not built on the west coast).

I realize that this may not be exactly historic, but I think it gets us pretty close with a lot less work.

I'm ok with this method. I'm not sure if others might think this would be a travesty.

I just used the old "split it down the middle" technique. Norfolk on the 16th, San Diego on the 30th = Canal on the 23rd. With no precise information, it's good enough. If anyone has better data I'd love to have it.

Don

[jcjordan]

Not sure if this has been asked or not but in Matrix scen15 there are 4 or 5 US PT boats in SE Asia which might need to be Brit MTB. My questions are - are Brit MTB gonna be added, I think it's Power class MTB (don't have my scen notebook changes with me) & are the US PT's correct or should they be moved somewhere else?

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: jcjordan

Not sure if this has been asked or not but in Matrix scen15 there are 4 or 5 US PT boats in SE Asia which might need to be Brit MTB. My questions are - are Brit MTB gonna be added, I think it's Power class MTB (don't have my scen notebook changes with me) & are the US PT's correct or should they be moved somewhere else?

The British 2nd Motor Torpedo Boat Flotilla has been added at Hong Kong. I was not able to find any additional British MTB in the Pacific or IO. US PT's have been removed from India.

[jcjordan]

Just what I wanted to know, thanks Don

[Platoonist]

Took a stab at drawing up silhouettes for the Medium Auxiliary Floating Dry Dock.
Not sure if the scale is correct though. Plus my reference picture was a little difficult to read so I'm not sure how accurate it is either.

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Platoonist

Took a stab at drawing up silhouettes for the Medium Auxiliary Floating Dry Dock.
Not sure if the scale is correct though. Plus my reference picture was a little difficult to read so I'm not sure how accurate it is either.

Not sure if we'll implement all the ARBs but I'd love to have these icons - could you please send the bmps to me??

[Platoonist]

They're on their way. [:)]

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: Platoonist

Took a stab at drawing up silhouettes for the Medium Auxiliary Floating Dry Dock.
Not sure if the scale is correct though. Plus my reference picture was a little difficult to read so I'm not sure how accurate it is either.

These look great. A needed addition for 1943 on.

[Ron Saueracker]

Hmmmm....something wrong here. Nobody converts the ship on Feb/42 from minelayer to transport that I'm aware of unless by accident. I did it in my games as I tend to play historically but have never loaded it until today. The load total is 24! This can't be right as it is the lowest of all USN subs and marginally more than Dutch and British 18 cap. I believe I gave it a load total of 60. Did I miss something when entering the refit details in the dbase?