von Manstein's delay

[Mist]

why is Manstein delayed by 22 turns in 41th company? He commanded by 56th panzer corpse only till september 17th so the delay should be 12 turns. But even this delay is terrible.
As commander in chief of german army I can't waste one of the greatest commanders of my forces. I want him lead an offencive on Moscow in August '41th! I would be right place for this brilliant commander. I know that he was disliked in OKH, but not by me and I want him to be assigned to the right place in tha right time.

*phew*

[Yogi Yohan]

Originally posted by Mist:
why is Manstein delayed by 22 turns in 41th company? He commanded by 56th panzer corpse only till september 17th so the delay should be 12 turns. But even this delay is terrible.
As commander in chief of german army I can't waste one of the greatest commanders of my forces. I want him lead an offencive on Moscow in August '41th! I would be right place for this brilliant commander. I know that he was disliked in OKH, but not by me and I want him to be assigned to the right place in tha right time.

*phew*

Easy, edit the 41 campaign with WIR-editor and push down the delay date for Von Manstein (there is place to include almost all the Von's in the names). Save as a custom scenario. Voila!

Von Manstein recieved command of 11th Army on Sept 12th, 1941, so at least from that time on he should be available to the Axis player as an Army commander.


[This message has been edited by Yogi Yohan (edited February 13, 2001).]

[Mist]

thank you for answer! it can be usefull.
I have already did that, but can anyone answer me why delay for this leader is *22* turns(~6-7 months, not since 12th september) in the oficial campain of 41th? Why is he stuck as a korps commander for such a long time? He was already famous enough because of his role in planning of conquest of France.

[Yogi Yohan]

Originally posted by Mist:
can anyone answer me why delay for this leader is *22* turns(~6-7 months, not since 12th september) in the oficial campain of 41th?

Well, it should be 12 turns delay for him to appear by Sept 12 unless I'm mistaken, so it looks suspiciously like a typo error by the original scenario designer. (Mr Grigsby I presume?)

It could also be that since 11th Army conquered Sebastopol in summer of 1942, and not in the autumn/winter of 1941, the scenario designer simply assumed that Manstein didn't take charge of 11th Army until the later date. In fact, Mansteins first attempt to capture Sebastopol failed miserably.

Just guessing here though.


[This message has been edited by Yogi Yohan (edited February 13, 2001).]

[Mist]

well, that's player who should decide whether to assign Manstein as a commander of 11th army or not. I just do not understand the logic. Is that 'what-if' situation when general Shobert is assumed to be alive and healthy commanding 11th army or what? Ok, if Shobert would be alive during the course of war could it mean that Manstein would command 56th panzer korps till the end? I believe that his person was very well known in the general staff as a good commander and startegist. So why can't I give him a challenge which would be at least comparable with his potencies of strategic planing? Not just secondary(yes, secondary despite of its airbases) war theatre as Crimea was in '41th.

[moni kerr]

Von Manstein was well known by the General Staff but he was not particularily well liked. He was something of an upstart. His proposal for the invasion of France was forced on the General Staff by Hitler and Von Manstein was rewarded by them with the command of an infantry corps....in Poland. So there may have been some resistance to giving him command of an army.

Petty jealousies and rivalry was a method actively encouraged by Hitler to keep his subordinates from getting enough power individually to challange him. And with all that bickering going on they were also less likely to band together against him. And fear also helped to keep them all in check.