Name This...(313)

[rtrapasso]

Anyway - as you can see from the photo above, the Black Douglas appears to be a much larger vessel. Not to mention the three masts.

So - did AKs have sailing sloop auxillaries? I don't remember of ever hearing of this.

EDIT: Hey, Ron, maybe this is one of those ship's boats that haul the cargo to shore when there are no docks![:D][:'(]

[panda124c]

Perhaps a sister ship to the USS Joanna, (I'm just showing off), this could be a US Army cargo ship, or possible anyone of a number of schooners used to haul cargo in the South Pacific, possible New Zeland or Austrailian.

[Cap Mandrake]

Right..so you convinced me it isnt the Black Douglas

That leaves several possibilities:

1) The Hull number isn't 55...maybe 95?

2) The designation isnt AX

3) It isnt USN...mayb RAN or RN???

[Dutchgy2000]

My guess would be one of the australian army small ships (during WW2 43 Army craft were allocated the AK prefix, 38 Ketches and five Schooners).

The Abel Tasman maybe?

[Capt Cliff]

USS Laniki?

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: Capt Cliff

USS Laniki?

Do you mean USS Lanikai?

The lines seem wrong. Great story though. When in the service of the USN..she had a 3 in rifle. Perhaps she was modified (likely)

http://www.geocities.com/songkhla.geo/USSLanikai.html

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Dutchgy2000

My guess would be one of the australian army small ships (during WW2 43 Army craft were allocated the AK prefix, 38 Ketches and five Schooners).

The Abel Tasman maybe?

Sounds good - an Australian schooner.

Any good sources for Australian WW2 army ships? (This sounds like an oxymoron[;)])

[DeepSix]

This is the best "name that" thread yet. I tried web searching with "95" and various other keywords but didn't find a close match. (That doesn't mean it's not 95, though). It is definitely not AK95, the USS Murzim. Also wondered about the U.S. Army "ghost fleet" cargo ships - it could be one of those or one of many former private/merchant ship converted for service in the USN (and other navies, too, I would imagine).

Somebody mentioned the masts - I guess one could have been removed but this looks like it's supposed to have two masts.... Any guesses as to the location of the photo?

I'm still stumped/intrigued.

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: DeepSix

This is the best "name that" thread yet. I tried web searching with "95" and various other keywords but didn't find a close match. (That doesn't mean it's not 95, though). It is definitely not AK95, the USS Murzim. Also wondered about the U.S. Army "ghost fleet" cargo ships - it could be one of those or one of many former private/merchant ship converted for service in the USN (and other navies, too, I would imagine).

Somebody mentioned the masts - I guess one could have been removed but this looks like it's supposed to have two masts.... Any guesses as to the location of the photo?

I'm still stumped/intrigued.

Well, there is an IX-95 Echo - a New Zealand "scow", built 1892, transferred to Navy under reverse lend-lease (?), delivered cargo at Noumea en route to Efate in New Hebrides. Based on this island at Port Vila, she served as a supply ship for the Army in the New Hebrides and adjoining island group. - (returned to NZ 12 March 1944).

Hyperwar calls her "a converted yacht: 340 tons" which about fits this ship, i think.

[rtrapasso]

Well, despite doing multiple searches on Google, etc., i can't find a picture of IX-95 Echo. Anyone have a 1943 edition of Jane's around? Maybe that has a picture of her. But since she was a transport, not a "fighting ship", maybe not.

Unfortunately, the descriptions of this ship are rather meager - aside from tonnage, "scow", "converted yacht", and "screw scow". This could take in a lot of ships.

[Tom Hunter]

I have crewed on the Adventure a 120 ton Gloucester fishing schooner and on the Spirit of Massachusetts which is a little smaller. This is not a 340 ton vessel and she is not a scow. She is also not a sloop, sailing sloops have one mast she is no more a sloop than a two seat convertible is a sedan.

Of the suggestions I have seen the one I like the most is the Lanikai. Its hard to tell for sure but the bow is similar and the stern has the same shape as the boat on the book cover but the book cover could be inaccurate.

One account I found in a quick search said that the US Army had over 300 schooners in service of one type or another during the war. I doubt that is accurate but I am certain that there were a lot of them. The type was very common for cargo carrying in the carribean and the pacific, they were everywhere.

[Crimguy]

I agree, Abel Tasman seems right.

http://www.vitechgroup.com.au/tships/tasman.htm


And see parent link (AK-95):
http://www.vitechgroup.com.au/tships/ww2pho2.htm

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Tom Hunter

I have crewed on the Adventure a 120 ton Gloucester fishing schooner and on the Spirit of Massachusetts which is a little smaller. This is not a 340 ton vessel and she is not a scow. She is also not a sloop, sailing sloops have one mast she is no more a sloop than a two seat convertible is a sedan.

Of the suggestions I have seen the one I like the most is the Lanikai. Its hard to tell for sure but the bow is similar and the stern has the same shape as the boat on the book cover but the book cover could be inaccurate.

One account I found in a quick search said that the US Army had over 300 schooners in service of one type or another during the war. I doubt that is accurate but I am certain that there were a lot of them. The type was very common for cargo carrying in the carribean and the pacific, they were everywhere.

I stand corrected - i said "sloop" when i meant schooner.

As for this ship not being 340 tons - the Echo is described as a scow. Now, normally "scows" are a type of barge, however, it turns out there are racing (sailing) scows. This is a sailing boat that from the side looks like your normal schooner (from pics i looked at) HOWEVER, these are VERY wide, flat bottomed vessels that draw very little water. They are 3-4 times as broad as a typical yacht (from building diagrams shown on web). So, if a scow is just a little longer than your Gloucester schooner, it could displace quite a bit more.

However, this is rushing the point. We don't know if the vessel shown is a scow-type yacht (it isn't by the usual definition) (nor do we know what the Echo looks like (no. of masts, etc.)

EDIT: I can not find a picture a large sailing scow, just some dinky racing boats. The small boats DO NOT look like this ship. However, apparently there is a type of "scow" particular to New Zealand. I don't know what these look like. I'll keep looking. But this schooner/yacht/whatever does not look particularly broad-beamed and therefore is (probably) not a scow, unless the NZ scow is something strange (i.e. - not meeting the usual definition of scow).

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Crimguy

I agree, Abel Tasman seems right.

http://www.vitechgroup.com.au/tships/tasman.htm


And see parent link (AK-95):
http://www.vitechgroup.com.au/tships/ww2pho2.htm

??? There is a picture of Abel Tasman - I agree she looks ALMOST right, but she is called AK-94.

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: Brady

???

vs Abel Tasman





Darn close...including the shape of the stern, approximate dimensions and paired sructures astride the foremast.

Apparent differences: There is a structure on the deck just before the aft mast which does not appear in the Abel Tasman pic. There appears to be a canvas awning over the stern of the mystery boat...both of these might have been added late, of course. Also, the bow architecture appears different but it might just be the perspective.

Also, I dont see any davits over the stern on the Abel Tasman and the attachment site for the rigging that runs along the hull (I dont konw what this is called) seems to extend further toward the bow on tyhe mystery boat..?perspective?

[Cap Mandrake]

Another Pic..identified as AK-94 Abel Tasman...note the canvas awning over the stern

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Another Pic..identified as AK-94 Abel Tasman...note the canvas awning over the stern

This website is confusing! At one point they refer to Abel Tasman as AK-94 (and show a picture of her with 94 painted on her bow), yet on the next page they show AK-95 and call HER the Abel Tasman.

I think this is AK-95 - cousin or sister to Abel Tasman. What the name of the ship is i don't know. I'll keep looking.

[Cap Mandrake]

There was an AK 95 in the USN...it just had a displacemnt of 4000 tons [:D]

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

There was an AK 95 in the USN...it just had a displacemnt of 4000 tons [:D]

Well, this is a tad smaller, i think.

I finally found the name for the Australian AK-95 - Sir John Franklin. Unfortunately, the link to the photo doesn't work!! I'll see if there is another.

[rtrapasso]

Well - can not find another picture of AK-95 Sir John Franklin. The link with the broken picture is also from the www.vitechgroup.com but i didn't find any way to get to it except for a seach engine. The non-photo is labelled "AK95 "Sir John Franklin" (Ketch) 1945. This Photograph was taken at Lae, New Guinea".

This might fit. Of course, if it turns out this is the (ketch) AK-55 as we originally thought...[&:]