OUTSIDE LOOKING IN: CHS Mod AAR vs Japanese AI

[Ron Saueracker]

Why not let you guys see some of the stuff in the CHS Mod at this juncture while it is in development. The PBEM test vs Subchaser is on the backburner until the Aden and Panama additions to the map are ready and Don is plugging away at the air groups.

Enjoy the peak.[;)]

[Ron Saueracker]

The USS Wake is blasted by the IJN Armoured Cruisers stationed in Shanghai Harbour. What was funny is that the combat text began with "Japanese force is surprised!" Yeah, whatever.[:D] Wake goes down...no surrendering like IRL!

[Ron Saueracker]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/07/41

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Sub attack at 26,45

Japanese Ships
CA Mogami
DD Hagikaze
DD Arashi
DD Nowaki
DD Maikaze
CA Kumano
CA Suzuya
CA Mikuma

Allied Ships
SS KXII, hits 1, on fire

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Sub attack at 45,55

Japanese Ships
DD Yamakaze
DD Suzukaze
DD Umikaze
DD Kawakaze
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Yukikaze

Allied Ships
SS S-39

The ASW devices have been altered in the MOD and subs now have some armour. I know the device tweaks work from previous testing but Nikademus informs me that the armour on subs causes some anomalies. We shall see soon enough.
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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 22,51

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 99

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 22 destroyed, 23 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 8 destroyed, 1 damaged
Blenheim IV: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged
Catalina I: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8


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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
G4M1 Betty x 48
C5M Babs x 3
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2
Ki-15 Babs x 9

Allied aircraft
P-26A x 2
P-35A x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 13 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-26A: 9 destroyed, 8 damaged
P-35A: 11 destroyed, 8 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 19 destroyed, 20 damaged
B-17D Fortress: 3 destroyed, 13 damaged


Allied ground losses:
38 casualties reported

Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 70


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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 37
G3M Nell x 36
C5M Babs x 2

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 16 destroyed, 3 damaged
P-35A: 4 destroyed
P-26A: 2 destroyed
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
52 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 54


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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 34


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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 114,72

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 76
D3A2 Val x 126
B5N2 Kate x 143

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 1
P-26A x 1
P-36A Mohawk x 10
P-40B Tomahawk x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 25 destroyed, 5 damaged
D3A2 Val: 38 destroyed, 63 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 21 destroyed, 47 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 9 destroyed, 4 damaged
P-26A: 12 destroyed, 3 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 60 destroyed, 13 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 54 destroyed, 63 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 3 destroyed, 15 damaged
PBY Catalina: 30 destroyed, 66 damaged
A-20B Boston: 17 destroyed, 5 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 15 destroyed, 13 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 22 destroyed, 41 damaged
C-47 Dakota: 4 destroyed, 11 damaged
SB2U Vindicator: 9 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied Ships
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 4, on fire
DD Ralph Talbot, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD MacDonough, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Phelps, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Utah, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
SS Tautog, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
AVD Hulbert, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Allen, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB California, Bomb hits 7
AVD Thornton, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Patterson, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Pretty near mirror image of historic PH. All we needed was Oklahoma or Nevada to succumb...may yet happen. Pennsylvania suffers a magazine explosion and is destroyed outright, Utah takes two torps and capsizes, Tautog takes a torp and sinks (makes up for the Sealion historically sunk at Manila)


Allied ground losses:
91 casualties reported

Airbase hits 80
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 301

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Day Air attack on TF, near Shanghai at 52,39

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-II Sally x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
PG Wake, heavy damage


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Day Air attack on TF at 43,47

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 3
A6M2 Zero x 13
Ki-27 Nate x 25
Ki-48-I Lily x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AP Ariadne Moller


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Day Air attack on Changsha , at 45,37

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 12
Ki-30 Ann x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 3


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Day Air attack on Hong Kong , at 43,42

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 5
Ki-51 Sonia x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-51 Sonia: 25 damaged

Runway hits 15


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Day Air attack on Hong Kong , at 43,42

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 10
Ki-21-II Sally x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 7


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Day Air attack on Victoria Point , at 25,39

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 17
Ki-21-II Sally x 9
Ki-48-I Lily x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-I Lily: 2 destroyed

Runway hits 3


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Day Air attack on Alor Star , at 24,44

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22
Ki-21-II Sally x 31

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 1 damaged

Runway hits 1


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Day Air attack on Tuguegarao , at 45,50

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 15
Ki-30 Ann x 20
Ki-48-I Lily x 6
Ki-36 Ida x 5

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 47,56

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 4

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 12

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CVL Ryujo


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Day Air attack on TF, near Khota Bharu at 24,45


Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 3
Hudson I x 10


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo


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Day Air attack on TF, near Khota Bharu at 24,45


Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 3
Hudson I x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
BB Haruna


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Day Air attack on TF, near Khota Bharu at 24,45


Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 19
Blenheim IV x 8


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
CA Atago

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Day Air attack on TF, near Khota Bharu at 24,45


Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 5
Hudson I x 9


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Mikuma
DD Nowaki


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Day Air attack on TF, near Khota Bharu at 24,45


Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 13


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Mogamigawa Maru
AK Nagara Maru

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Day Air attack on TF, near San Marcelino at 43,50

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
Ki-48-I Lily x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
PG Mindanao

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shanghai at 52,39

Japanese Ships
PG Idzumo
PG Iwate

Allied Ships
PG Wake, Shell hits 8, and is sunk

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Naval bombardment of Khota Bharu, at 24,45


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Hibiki
DD Akatsuki
DD Arashio
DD Michishio
DD Oshio
DD Asashio
CL Jintsu
CA Atago
CA Takao
BB Haruna
BB Kongo


Allied ground losses:
659 casualties reported
Guns lost 14

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 47
Port hits 9
Port supply hits 24

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Naval bombardment of Guam, at 63,66

Japanese Ships
DD Yuzuki
DD Kikuzuki
DD Uzuki
DD Oboro
CA Kako
CA Furutaka
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba

Allied Ships
AO Robert L Barnes, Shell hits 12, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Penguin, Shell hits 4, on fire

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 8
Port hits 3
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 6

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Naval bombardment of Batan Island, at 46,47

Japanese Ships
DD Inazuma
DD Ikazuchi

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 1
Port hits 2
Port supply hits 1

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Naval bombardment of Khota Bharu, at 24,45


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
DD Hagikaze
DD Arashi
DD Nowaki
DD Maikaze
CA Kumano
CA Suzuya
CA Mikuma
CA Mogami


Allied ground losses:
228 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 23
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 8

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Naval bombardment of Vigan, at 44,49

Japanese Ships
DD Samidare
DD Yudachi
DD Harusame
DD Murasame
DD Asagumo
DD Minegumo
DD Natsugumo
CL Naka

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 7
Port hits 3
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 5

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Naval bombardment of Legaspi, at 45,54

Japanese Ships
DD Shiokaze
DD Suzukaze
DD Umikaze
DD Kawakaze
DD Yamakaze
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Yukikaze
CL Nagara

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 6
Port hits 3
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 6

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Naval bombardment of Aparri, at 45,49

Japanese Ships
DD Hatakaze
DD Harukaze
DD Nagatsuki
DD Fumizuki
DD Minazuki
DD Satsuki
CL Natori

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 11
Port hits 2
Port supply hits 2

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Naval bombardment of Aparri, at 45,49

Japanese Ships
DD Matsukaze
DD Asakaze
CL Kuma
CA Ashigara
CA Maya

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 4
Port hits 3
Port supply hits 5

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Coastal Guns at Wake Island, 85,72, firing at TF 16
TF 16 troops unloading over beach at Wake Island, 85,72


60 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
DD Kisaragi

Japanese ground losses:
244 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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TF 20 troops unloading over beach at Guam, 63,66


Japanese ground losses:
379 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Khota Bharu, 24,45, firing at TF 85
TF 85 troops unloading over beach at Khota Bharu, 24,45


48 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese ground losses:
647 casualties reported

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TF 87 troops unloading over beach at Aparri, 45,49


Japanese ground losses:
217 casualties reported

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TF 88 troops unloading over beach at Vigan, 44,49


Japanese ground losses:
320 casualties reported

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TF 89 troops unloading over beach at Legaspi, 45,54


Japanese ground losses:
109 casualties reported

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TF 90 troops unloading over beach at Batan Island, 46,47


Japanese ground losses:
92 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Khota Bharu

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4905 troops, 40 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 8779 troops, 64 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Wake Island

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1684 troops, 60 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 1661 troops, 16 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
160 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


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Ground combat at Batan Island

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 1185 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 148 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Batan Island base !!!



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Ground combat at Wake Island

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 1451 troops, 13 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 2924 troops, 60 guns, 6 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Wake Island base !!!



Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 17 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
140 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Allied ground losses:
2553 casualties reported
Guns lost 69
Vehicles lost 2

[Ron Saueracker]

She has no armament in the Mod despite having been armed as a weapons test ship in addition to her target drone duties. She was in her target ship livery during the attack so all deck and weapon spaces were covered by timbers. I suppose we could have added the few .50 cals reportedly used briefly but hey...what are you guys, geeks?[;)]

[Bradley7735]

Why no allied troop losses when Batan Is is taken? I assume you guys know what is correct. Were there allied troops there on Dec 7th or not?

(ps, thanks for showing us this AAR.)

[Ron Saueracker]

The old Sampson class USS Allen (DD 66) was not as lucky this time around, taking a 250kg bomb.

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

Why no allied troop losses when Batan Is is taken? I assume you guys know what is correct. Were there allied troops there on Dec 7th or not?

(ps, thanks for showing us this AAR.)

Hey, this is one of the reasons I'm posting the AAR. After all, the CHS is a group effort.[:)] Post away, opinions and observations welcome.

[Ron Saueracker]

USCGC Taney escaped unscathed...

[AmiralLaurent]

No, there weren't any troops on Batan. To be honest, Allied command in PI (or elsewhere) was not aware that Japanese landed there for several days.

I'm rather surprised that in such a heavy mod, Japanese continue to land on day one in Vigan, Aparri, Guam and Legaspi, all operations that took place several days after PH in RL. Also I would cancel the daylight raid on Singapore... but send one from Kwajalein to Wake.

[Ron Saueracker]

The Dutch coastal sub KXII sufferred serious flood damage from a close pattern of Type 95 DCs. The armor value of 2 (like durability, we chose a thickness in mm whick equates approximately to dive depth) did not help much this time but the reduced accuracy and yeild of all ASW weapons may have. Notice we reduced the durability value of subs in conjunction with adding armor and tweaking ASW devices...this was done to make Japanese subs less expensive to construct.

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: AmiralLaurent

No, there weren't any troops on Batan. To be honest, Allied command in PI (or elsewhere) was not aware that Japanese landed there for several days.

I'm rather surprised that in such a heavy mod, Japanese continue to land on day one in Vigan, Aparri, Guam and Legaspi, all operations that took place several days after PH in RL. Also I would cancel the daylight raid on Singapore... but send one from Kwajalein to Wake.

We have done nothing to the AI that I'm aware of as this is primarily a PBEM geared mod. Could adapt Prys scen 16 perhaps.

[AmiralLaurent]

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

ORIGINAL: AmiralLaurent

No, there weren't any troops on Batan. To be honest, Allied command in PI (or elsewhere) was not aware that Japanese landed there for several days.

I'm rather surprised that in such a heavy mod, Japanese continue to land on day one in Vigan, Aparri, Guam and Legaspi, all operations that took place several days after PH in RL. Also I would cancel the daylight raid on Singapore... but send one from Kwajalein to Wake.

We have done nothing to the AI that I'm aware of as this is primarily a PBEM geared mod. Could adapt Prys scen 16 perhaps.

I guess these various landings and raids are the "historical turn" of the mod. Well, they are unhistorical.

[Captain Cruft]

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

ORIGINAL: AmiralLaurent
No, there weren't any troops on Batan. To be honest, Allied command in PI (or elsewhere) was not aware that Japanese landed there for several days.

I'm rather surprised that in such a heavy mod, Japanese continue to land on day one in Vigan, Aparri, Guam and Legaspi, all operations that took place several days after PH in RL. Also I would cancel the daylight raid on Singapore... but send one from Kwajalein to Wake.

We have done nothing to the AI that I'm aware of as this is primarily a PBEM geared mod. Could adapt Prys scen 16 perhaps.

Yes, but the stuff the Admiral refers to is just initial scenario conditions i.e. missions for air groups, TF loading/destinations etc.

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

ORIGINAL: AmiralLaurent
No, there weren't any troops on Batan. To be honest, Allied command in PI (or elsewhere) was not aware that Japanese landed there for several days.

I'm rather surprised that in such a heavy mod, Japanese continue to land on day one in Vigan, Aparri, Guam and Legaspi, all operations that took place several days after PH in RL. Also I would cancel the daylight raid on Singapore... but send one from Kwajalein to Wake.

We have done nothing to the AI that I'm aware of as this is primarily a PBEM geared mod. Could adapt Prys scen 16 perhaps.

Yes, but the stuff the Admiral refers to is just initial scenario conditions i.e. missions for air groups, TF loading/destinations etc.

Perhaps the opening moves will get a tweak after the OOB and other "meaty" elements are squared away.

[Ron Saueracker]

Well...there was a reason why the devs had the Enterprise TF farther west than historically was the case. To accomodate the AI and kepp Halsey from constantly reacting to his doom and impaling the TF on KB. Going to have to move it back so the AI does not freak every turn. I don't play vs the AI anymore but many do, including Don Bowen, so I guess this will have to be done. Personally, I'd have the TF arrive at PH on the 8th to alleviate this.

The civilian shipyard in San Francisco, "Addwater and Stir Shipbuilding", instantaneously received contracts for one Essex class and one Cleveland class at the end of the day, and if memory serves, will be commissioned before any of the already building members of their respective classes are scheduled for completion. These guys could teach Henry Kaiser a thing or two, eh?[:D]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/08/41

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TF 20 troops unloading over beach at Guam, 63,66


Japanese ground losses:
119 casualties reported

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TF 20 troops unloading over beach at Guam, 63,66


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Coastal Guns at Khota Bharu, 24,45, firing at TF 85
TF 85 troops unloading over beach at Khota Bharu, 24,45


15 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
PG Tatsumiya Maru

Japanese ground losses:
357 casualties reported

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TF 87 troops unloading over beach at Aparri, 45,49


Japanese ground losses:
135 casualties reported

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TF 88 troops unloading over beach at Vigan, 44,49


Japanese ground losses:
236 casualties reported

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TF 89 troops unloading over beach at Legaspi, 45,54


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Naval bombardment of Guam, at 63,66

Japanese Ships
DD Yuzuki
DD Kikuzuki
DD Uzuki
DD Oboro
CA Kako
CA Furutaka
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba

Allied Ships
AO Robert L Barnes, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 4
Port hits 3
Port supply hits 4

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Naval bombardment of Vigan, at 44,49

Japanese Ships
DD Samidare
DD Yudachi
DD Harusame
DD Murasame
DD Asagumo
DD Minegumo
DD Natsugumo
CL Naka

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 11
Port hits 2
Port supply hits 6

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Naval bombardment of Legaspi, at 45,54

Japanese Ships
DD Shiokaze
DD Suzukaze
DD Umikaze
DD Kawakaze
DD Yamakaze
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Yukikaze
CL Nagara

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 4
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 9

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Naval bombardment of Aparri, at 45,49

Japanese Ships
DD Hatakaze
DD Harukaze
DD Nagatsuki
DD Fumizuki
DD Minazuki
DD Satsuki
CL Natori

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5
Port supply hits 4

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Naval bombardment of Aparri, at 45,49

Japanese Ships
DD Matsukaze
DD Asakaze
CL Kuma
CA Ashigara
CA Maya

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 3
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 4

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TF 20 troops unloading over beach at Guam, 63,66


Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Khota Bharu, 24,45, firing at TF 85
TF 85 troops unloading over beach at Khota Bharu, 24,45


18 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
AK Kinka Maru
PG Tatsumiya Maru, Shell hits 1

Japanese ground losses:
234 casualties reported

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TF 87 troops unloading over beach at Aparri, 45,49


Japanese ground losses:
204 casualties reported

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TF 88 troops unloading over beach at Vigan, 44,49


Japanese ground losses:
143 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on Takao , at 47,46

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 4
Ki-27 Nate x 15

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 10

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged

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Day Air attack on Victoria Point , at 25,39

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 21
Ki-21-II Sally x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 6


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Day Air attack on TF, near Aparri at 45,49


Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 4


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CL Kuma


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Day Air attack on Alor Star , at 24,44

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 12
Ki-48-I Lily x 25

No Japanese losses


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Day Air attack on Tuguegarao , at 45,50

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 18
Ki-36 Ida x 8

No Japanese losses

Airbase supply hits 1


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Day Air attack on Tuguegarao , at 45,50

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 19
Ki-30 Ann x 25

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8

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Day Air attack on 4th New Chinese Corps, at 48,38

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 9

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported


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Day Air attack on TF at 108,73

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 67

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 16
SBD Dauntless x 34
TBD Devastator x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 33 destroyed, 1 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 81 destroyed, 16 damaged
TBD Devastator: 26 destroyed, 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Kaga, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Khota Bharu at 24,45


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 4


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CA Suzuya
CA Kumano


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Day Air attack on TF, near Aparri at 45,49


Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CA Ashigara


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Day Air attack on TF, near Khota Bharu at 24,45


Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 23
Blenheim IV x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
PG Tatsumiya Maru


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Day Air attack on TF, near Legaspi at 45,54


Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 5


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Hakubasan Maru
AK Myoko Maru


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Day Air attack on TF at 106,73

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22
D3A2 Val x 55
B5N2 Kate x 73

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A2 Val: 5 destroyed, 10 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 4 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 12, Torpedo hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
CA Northampton
CA Chester
CA Salt Lake City


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Day Air attack on TF at 106,73

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
D3A2 Val x 38
B5N2 Kate x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A2 Val: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied Ships
CA Salt Lake City, Bomb hits 7, on fire
CV Enterprise, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF at 106,73

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
B5N2 Kate x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 11 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, on fire, heavy damage
CA Salt Lake City, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA Chester

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Day Air attack on TF at 106,73

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
D3A2 Val x 17
B5N2 Kate x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, on fire, heavy damage
CA Northampton


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Day Air attack on TF, near Manila at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 5

Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 6
P-40E Warhawk x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
AP Ariadne Moller

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 12000 feet
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Naval bombardment of Vigan, at 44,49

Japanese Ships
DD Samidare
DD Yudachi
DD Harusame
DD Murasame
DD Asagumo
DD Minegumo
DD Natsugumo
CL Naka

Runway hits 13
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 4
Port supply hits 6

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Naval bombardment of Legaspi, at 45,54

Japanese Ships
DD Shiokaze
DD Suzukaze
DD Umikaze
DD Kawakaze
DD Yamakaze
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Yukikaze
CL Nagara

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 17
Port hits 3
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 12

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Naval bombardment of Aparri, at 45,49

Japanese Ships
DD Hatakaze
DD Harukaze
DD Nagatsuki
DD Fumizuki
DD Minazuki
DD Satsuki
CL Natori

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 5
Port supply hits 3

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Naval bombardment of Aparri, at 45,49

Japanese Ships
DD Matsukaze
DD Asakaze
CL Kuma
CA Ashigara
CA Maya

Runway hits 7
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 6


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Ground combat at Legaspi

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 1958 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 58 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Legaspi base !!!



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Ground combat at Nanchang

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 27882 troops, 252 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 7771 troops, 51 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 17 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
1182 casualties reported
Guns lost 16

Allied ground losses:
175 casualties reported
Guns lost 6


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at Hong Kong

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 25649 troops, 246 guns, 17 vehicles

Defending force 14061 troops, 122 guns, 4 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 5)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 4


Japanese ground losses:
198 casualties reported
Guns lost 6
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
358 casualties reported
Guns lost 21


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Ground combat at Vigan

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 2574 troops, 23 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 59 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Vigan base !!!



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Ground combat at Khota Bharu

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 15489 troops, 103 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 7468 troops, 37 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Khota Bharu base !!!



Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 10 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
384 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Allied ground losses:
347 casualties reported
Guns lost 10


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Ground combat at Guam

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 10009 troops, 65 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 246 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Guam base !!!



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Ground combat at Aparri

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 5822 troops, 143 guns, 8 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 38 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Aparri base !!!

[Andrew Brown]

Yes, but the stuff the Admiral refers to is just initial scenario conditions i.e. missions for air groups, TF loading/destinations etc.

I do not know what, if anything, has been done to the Japanese starting forces. As far as I know, most of the attention has been placed on the Allied forces.

We are more than happy to receive help from anyone who wants to suggest modifications to the Japanese forces/missions etc.

Andrew

[Andrew Brown]

CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 12, Torpedo hits 6, on fire, heavy damage

Oops! Well, that is what testing is for, I guess [8|]

[Captain Cruft]

Suggestions for Initial Dispositions

1) Enterprise TF - You can set the react range to 0 for this TF in the editor. Also, for the Lex TF and even the KB. That might possibly prevent any unintended CV battles.

2) Initial Japanese dispositions - I have no idea about what would be historically accurate. The thing that annoys me though is the fragments of the 65th Brigade and 48th, 5th & 18th Divisions that get left at Taan, Pescadores and Formosa on turn one. The TFs for those LCUs just need a few transports adding to them ...

3) CAP at Pearl - I would propose reducing the initial CAP levels for fighters at PH to something like 10/20%. Even with the "Dec 7th surprise" it seems like too many fighters get in the air.

4) Wake Island air attack - As another poster suggested, did not bombers from Kwajalein attack Wake prior to the landings? I don't suppose the effect would be very great though (only 36 Nells at Kwaj). If this was done I would suggest reducing the CAP level of VMF-211/1 in a similar way to the fighters at Pearl.

5) Brit/Aussie bombers in Malaya - I would almost prefer that these be stood down until Dec 8th. However, as an alternative I would suggest that if the planes are going to be left on Naval Attack then the default altitude be reduced from 15,000 feet. British anti-shipping missions were generally performed at wave-top height AFAIK. That would be silly though since, because of the low exp of the pilots, the result would be lots of planes shot down for no hits. How about a compromise of 2,000 feet?

6) As a corollary to 5, how about setting the Oscar Sentai in Kompong Trach to LRCAP the Khota Baru landing force? This is what most players will do on turn 2 anyway.

[AmiralLaurent]

ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft

Suggestions for Initial Dispositions

1) Enterprise TF - You can set the react range to 0 for this TF in the editor. Also, for the Lex TF and even the KB. That might possibly prevent any unintended CV battles.

2) Initial Japanese dispositions - I have no idea about what would be historically accurate. The thing that annoys me though is the fragments of the 65th Brigade and 48th, 5th & 18th Divisions that get left at Taan, Pescadores and Formosa on turn one. The TFs for those LCUs just need a few transports adding to them ...

3) CAP at Pearl - I would propose reducing the initial CAP levels for fighters at PH to something like 10/20%. Even with the "Dec 7th surprise" it seems like too many fighters get in the air.

4) Wake Island air attack - As another poster suggested, did not bombers from Kwajalein attack Wake prior to the landings? I don't suppose the effect would be very great though (only 36 Nells at Kwaj). If this was done I would suggest reducing the CAP level of VMF-211/1 in a similar way to the fighters at Pearl.

5) Brit/Aussie bombers in Malaya - I would almost prefer that these be stood down until Dec 8th. However, as an alternative I would suggest that if the planes are going to be left on Naval Attack then the default altitude be reduced from 15,000 feet. British anti-shipping missions were generally performed at wave-top height AFAIK. That would be silly though since, because of the low exp of the pilots, the result would be lots of planes shot down for no hits. How about a compromise of 2,000 feet?

6) As a corollary to 5, how about setting the Oscar Sentai in Kompong Trach to LRCAP the Khota Baru landing force? This is what most players will do on turn 2 anyway.

"Historical missions"

1) Malaya
Singapore was bombed at night by Saigon Nells. No air battle here on first day.
Allied bombers attacked Japanese ships off Khota Bharu at low alt and sank one, damaged two other APs. They met Japanese fighters over the fleet.
Japanese troops landed in several points in Thailand. And met resistance by Thai Army and AF for some hours, because of the secret nature of the treaty between Thai and Japanese governments.
Japanese submarines lay minefields NW of Singapore

How to simulate this :
1 Nell unit being ordered to bomb Singapore airfield, other set on naval attack.
All North Malaya airfield targeted by IJAAF bombers.
Part of Zero and Oscars LRCAPING Khota Bharu and Songkhia. Or escorting IJAAF bombers to attack Malaya airfield.
Several Japanese TF landing in KB, Songkhia (with part of a Tk Rgt), Bandou, Bangkok.
Give minelaying missions to SS I-121 o I-124 (also in PI).
Allied fighters in Singapore fly no CAP, so simulating a "night bombing" with all light on in the city.
Allied fighters elsewhere fly CAP. Allied bombers set on naval attack with alt 5000 feet.

2) Hong Kong
Airfield was bombed and most planes here destroyed/damaged beyond repair.
Allied troops had to be chased from the inland part before the invasion of the island.

How to simulate this:
put part of the garnison in Canton hex, with forts able to resist some days. Add a river between HK and Canton.

3) PI
Heavy raid on Clark Field
Only landing was done in Batan island, that was undefended.

How to simulate this:
Remove the BF in Batan Island (allready done)
Cancel the landings in Aparri, Vigan and Legaspi. Convoys should be placed at two sailing days of their targets. Bigger part of 48th Div is in Pescadores and landed latter in Lingayen.

4) Wake
Was bombed by Nells from Kwajalein that destroy on the ground most of the F4F-3 of the island.

How to simulate this:
low alt bombing raid (should work with surprise rule) and low CAP setting for the Wildcats.

[Bradley7735]

4) Wake
Was bombed by Nells from Kwajalein that destroy on the ground most of the F4F-3 of the island.

How to simulate this:
low alt bombing raid (should work with surprise rule) and low CAP setting for the Wildcats.

If you do this, the Japanese invasion will succeed 100% of the time. Wake wasn't invaded until the 12th or so, historically. If you add more to the fray, the Wake defenders will never have the chance to repulse the initial invasion.