Blizzard&Finnish: a possible "cheat"

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Patris
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Blizzard&Finnish: a possible "cheat"

Post by Patris »

Hello!
I have read the problems that the German side has with the blizzard turns and I have found a little "bug" in the system: if the Axis conquer Leningrad (relatively easy with a determined attack) is possible to make a transfer of the Finnish units into German Korps. This makes the whole Korps immune to the Blizzard (it seems that is sufficient 1 only unit in a Korps for qualify it as Finnish). Since the Finnish Army is made of 20-25 units, this is sufficien to shield a large portion of the german Army.
I think this is a form of cheating, but legal as the actual rules.
What do you think? Has anybody else verified it?
I enjoy very much this game, howewer, it is probably the best simulation I have played.
PMCN
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Post by PMCN »

I don't think the Korp is immune, just the finish divisions in it. It is cheating there is no question of that. The Finns would never have done it. In fact no finish units should attack Lennigrad unless they are supporting a german attack.
I don't see how you can justify moving finn divisions into german Korp. Moving some of the Finn Korp out of finland and into the area near Lenningrad I have done but I had a 6 hex limit on how far they could go which seemed reasonable to me. They were basicly holding the northern edge of the line on whatever river that is.
This is your call in the end but if you want a historical game then the Finns should be left in or near Finnland. Another thing is don't mix Hungarian and Rummian units in a Korp or during an attack. That never ever happened as both sides hated the other with a passion.
Patris
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Post by Patris »

Yes, the Finnish had a very conservative attitude in this war. I wanted only highlight a potential problem for PBEM games. it's best to know in advance what is "correct" to do.
I think that the best approach for survive the blizzard is not advance too far in October. Besides, it's true that the losses in the first winter are staggering, but is also true that the German regain strength at a rate much greater than historical (especially in troop quality), balancing somewhat the situation.
The starting lines in the '42 Spring are more backwards, but the Axis can attack anywhere instead of only in the south as historically.
I have always chosen a Moscow first strategy, disregarding the oilfields in the Caucasus. There is anyone that has won with the historical strategy (against a human opponent)?
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Post by Ed Cogburn »

Originally posted by Paul McNeely:
It is cheating there is no question of that. The Finns would never have done it. In fact no finish units should attack Lennigrad unless they are supporting a german attack.

Actually, no Finnish units should attack Leningrad at all, period. This was brought up as a realism problem, but fixing it will be time consuming, and for relatively little gain.

For those who are interested in this issue for PBEM games, the Finns never attacked Leningrad, and would not have even if the Germans asked them to. The Finns were only interested in retaking the land they lost to the USSR in the Winter War. Cooperation with Germany was restricted.
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Post by ollittm »

Originally posted by Ed Cogburn:

For those who are interested in this issue for PBEM games, the Finns never attacked Leningrad, and would not have even if the Germans asked them to. The Finns were only interested in retaking the land they lost to the USSR in the Winter War. Cooperation with Germany was restricted.
Well..

There's a proverb about a gold-laden mule and fortified walls. There's some heavy pragmatism included here. Had Finns cut off the northern supply routes to Leningrad, as it was quite possible for us to do historically, there would've been hell to pay in -44.

Now say, if Germans had taken Moscow in -41, I think an arrangement would have been worked out. Land and resources are a big incentive.
-Olli
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