OT: Nazi Nuclear Bomb

[rtrapasso]

Well, i had a nice post for this about other types of nuclear accidents i have read about where explosions took place (not on the scale of a nuclear bomb, but quite fatal to those around it). However, it got lost when the post was moved. I don't have time to reconstruct it right now.

[max_h]

the bomb´s been supposed to be a "dirty bomb", not a "real" a-bomb.

[elcidce]

From the Authors description the residents around the area saw a flash, and suffered from nose bleeds and nausea for days afterward. There were radioactive materials found in the soils nearby. It sounds compelling and worthy of more research. I dont think we have even scratched the surface in learning what the Nazis had been doing in secret. The victors usually write the history books. We probably will never know the truth about all of their plans.

[Warfare1]

There may be some discrepancies between what a reporter for AP calls a "nuclear bomb" and what the author of that book was actually referring to.

To shed some light on the subject:

A little known incident occurred in the closing days of WWII: a German U-boat (U-234) set a course for Japan. It's cargo? The German U-boat carried armor piercing antiaircraft shells; the plans for two Me-262 jet fighters; and 10 containers, marked "Japanese Army", that contained 560 kg of uranium oxide.

Since this story was written, a substantial amount of new information has become available. Much of this can be found in the fascinating video, "U-234 - Hitler's Last U-boat." It seems possible, but by no means certain, that the captured uranium was sent to Oak Ridge and processed to help make the fuel for the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

More info here:

http://www.orau.org/ptp/articlesstories/u234.htm

[Warfare1]

Here is a copy of the actual

REPORT ON INTERROGATION OF THE CREW OF U-234 WHICH SURRENDERED TO THE USS SUTTON ON 14 MAY, 1945:

http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-234INT.htm

[Warfare1]

The Video: "U-234: Hitler's Last U-boat":

http://www.ihffilm.com/840.html

[IronDuke_slith]

ORIGINAL: elcidce

From the Authors description the residents around the area saw a flash, and suffered from nose bleeds and nausea for days afterward. There were radioactive materials found in the soils nearby. It sounds compelling and worthy of more research. I dont think we have even scratched the surface in learning what the Nazis had been doing in secret. The victors usually write the history books. We probably will never know the truth about all of their plans.

I think the opposite. We'll learn more about existing issues, but I'd be surprised if there was much left to discover for new. I've seen NAZIs blamed for UFOs, I've seen allegations of NAZIs in the antartic building bases and fighting with American Task Forces in the late forties, and allegations of all sorts, but they are simply that, allegations.

The Germans didn't have the resources to make a bomb. Had they gotten close, post war interrogations would have found out. Such a program would have required huge resources, lots of personnel and a good deal of paperwork. How much money did the Americans throw at Manhattan? That we found nothing is very telling. By mid 44, the Germans didn't have the resources to train their pilots to fly their aircraft for more than a few hours before throwing them into combat.
I think it unrealistic they would have had the resources to build a bomb.

Respect and regards,
IronDuke

[diesel7013]

Does the term "BS" ring any bells. It seems if you want to sell popular history today, you have to make absolutely assinine claims. So we have books claiming the Holocaust didn't happen, the Japanese were building jet super-weapons, and now that the Nazi's had a bomb. Seems the same morons who buy into every alien abduction story and conspiricy theory will buy this crap too. Take the story for what it is worth...., nothing.

Man, do I ever agree with Mike, I'm so tired of every new history book out there trying to "Tell us the truth" about history... Lincoln was gay, the folks at the Alamo were only trying to protect stolen gold, Lee was a terrible general, the whole Revolutionary War was a bunch of rich guys trying to get richer off the backs of slaves and the poor, and what ever bull s&(* that some revisionist liberal can think up to minimize the efforts and results of those that came before us...

It sure is nice to sit back and look back at history and make sweeping judgements about what the men and women of yesterday did, without the historical context of what they were living through...

Bottom line, all great men and women have flaws, what makes them great is their ability to impact the world in a overall positve manner despite whatever obstacles that have to overcome...
Patton was a great general, warts and all, so was Eisenhower, Rommel, and all the rest - the Fathers of our Country ( US ) were great men, no matter what the hangups...
And Lincoln was not gay...
( Have you ever seen such an hideously ugly guy who was gay??? [:D] )

[IronDuke_slith]

Man, do I ever agree with Mike, I'm so tired of every new history book out there trying to "Tell us the truth" about history... Lincoln was gay, the folks at the Alamo were only trying to protect stolen gold, Lee was a terrible general, the whole Revolutionary War was a bunch of rich guys trying to get richer off the backs of slaves and the poor, and what ever bull s&(* that some revisionist liberal can think up to minimize the efforts and results of those that came before us...

It sure is nice to sit back and look back at history and make sweeping judgements about what the men and women of yesterday did, without the historical context of what they were living through...

Bottom line, all great men and women have flaws, what makes them great is their ability to impact the world in a overall positve manner despite whatever obstacles that have to overcome...
Patton was a great general, warts and all, so was Eisenhower, Rommel, and all the rest - the Fathers of our Country ( US ) were great men, no matter what the hangups...
And Lincoln was not gay...
( Have you ever seen such an hideously ugly guy who was gay??? [:D] )

First bold, Lee wasn't terrible, but he wasn't the all singing, all dancing Super General he has been protrayed as. Some revisionism is a healthy thing.

re the second bold, I wholeheartedly disagree, but we don't want to go there...[;)]

Regards,
IronDuke

[diesel7013]

Well, you are a Brit an' all...
[:D][:D]

Bet you loved Monty too!!

And remember, there are a lot of great men, never said I thought Patton was the greatest general of all time... we all know that was McClellan...

[IronDuke_slith]

ORIGINAL: diesel7013

Well, you are a Brit an' all...
[:D][:D]

Bet you loved Monty too!!

And remember, there are a lot of great men, never said I thought Patton was the greatest general of all time... we all know that was McClellan...

Nah, Mark Clark...

McClellan was a pacifist. That rules him out of any discussion about the greatest General of all time.

Now, if you want to talk about greatest Quartermaster....

[SemperAugustus]

There is some information on the bomb project on Luft 46 if you're interested:
http://www.luft46.com/armament/armament.html

[Drex]

PBS had an interview with the author this morning. H e described the bomb as as a combination of fusion and fission and only had an effective radius of 500 yds. It was too small to be of any use in 1945 so was never tried against the enemy.

[rhondabrwn]

ORIGINAL: SemperAugustus

There is some information on the bomb project on Luft 46 if you're interested:
http://www.luft46.com/armament/armament.html

That makes very interesting reading, thanks for the link.

[pzgndr]

The descriptions of a crude nuclear device are plausible. I would not be so quick to discount what the Germans may have done. Some information may still be highly classified.

If such a pile became hot enough (remember, Fermi's pile had no cooling system! That reaction was modulated by graphite rods inserted and withdrawn by manual control),

Fermi's pile was to demonstrate nuclear criticality. That does not necessarily mean enough heat is being generated that cannot be cooled by ambient temperatures.

PBS had an interview with the author this morning. He described the bomb as a combination of fusion and fission and only had an effective radius of 500 yds.

Very unlikely this would have been a fusion device either by design or mistake. I can believe the 500 yard radius for a low yield device, and that would be consistent with the alleged accounts of the Ohrdruf explosion.

I'm very curious to see more information about this. The book should be interesting.

[Pippin]

I am stuck wondering which is more silly. A nazi nuclear submarine, or the statement that all nuclear scientists were jews. I suppose there was no hope for the non jewish researchers, as they must lack some kind of scientist genes? LOL

And over at the Avalon Hill forum they are talking about nazi ufos still flying today.
Thanks for the crackpot threads you kids.

[Warfare1]

ORIGINAL: Pippin

I am stuck wondering which is more silly. A nazi nuclear submarine, or the statement that all nuclear scientists were jews. I suppose there was no hope for the non jewish researchers, as they must lack some kind of scientist genes? LOL

And over at the Avalon Hill forum they are talking about nazi ufos still flying today.
Thanks for the crackpot threads you kids.

[8|]

What Nazi nuclear submarine?

Who said ALL scientists were Jewish?

Please...

Before you insult fellow wargamers, please read the posts carefully.

Most comments presented here are reasonable...

[Pippin]

I apologize, thought we were speaking of the Nuclear u-boat theory that has been going around as of late. I just can't keep up with all these new theories & conspiracies. What happend to the good old Faking the Apollo missions? At least there are some professors around to back that one up.

[Warfare1]

ORIGINAL: Pippin

I apologize, thought we were speaking of the Nuclear u-boat theory that has been going around as of late. I just can't keep up with all these new theories & conspiracies. What happend to the good old Faking the Apollo missions? At least there are some professors around to back that one up.

heheh

No problem. Misunderstandings happen.

Although I agree there are a lot of crackpot theories going around.

[runes]

alright, alright, new hypothesis:

is it at all possible SOME type of bomb was dropped/tested late-war in germany? (Killing X-hundred people as described) And believed by Germany to be on the way to becoming some new super-weapon? Nuclear/fission/super erradicator-destructo bomb/whatever.

I think it IS likely. Although in truth, it may have just been a very high-yield conventional bomb.


Someone said "soil in the area has evidence of radiation" (para) can you give us sources? I've NEVER heard about Germany having radiation bouncing all around, even in the remotest of areas.