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RE: July 21st, 1942: DEI

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Northern DEI...

Mogami has pretty much secured the Northern DEI, with only a few sporadic Dutch remnants.

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RE: July 21st, 1942: DEI

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And Southern DEI...

Timor may be a problem for Japan, has had seven months to prepare and is now blanketed by ample LBA from Australia.

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RE: July 22nd, 1942: DEI

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Not much here...Mog deliberate attacks at Rahaeng and is repulsed. What's really glaring is look at the forces facing off here and look at the casualty figures. At Wuchow, 1500 artillery pieces of every size and description blast away daily at each other along a sixty mile front and a total of 98 men and a gun might have been damaged or destroyed. At Rahaeng, you have over 100,000 troops and 800 artillery pieces engaged in a deliberate engagement along the sixty mile front and 3,600 men are reported as casualties. 500 more guns are dueling at Tavoy and less than 400 casualties are reported.

A BB group speeding in at night and firing briefly (maybe 30 minutes) on Pago Pago does more damage than all these engagements combined. Hello? Give your head a shake.[8|]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/22/42


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Ground combat at Wuchow

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 84358 troops, 918 guns, 15 vehicles

Defending force 88418 troops, 493 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
59 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Rahaeng

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 65913 troops, 452 guns, 295 vehicles

Defending force 41289 troops, 317 guns, 1 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 5)


Japanese ground losses:
2951 casualties reported
Guns lost 68
Vehicles lost 5

Allied ground losses:
711 casualties reported
Guns lost 15


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Ground combat at Tavoy

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8283 troops, 286 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 29513 troops, 198 guns, 2 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
329 casualties reported
Guns lost 6


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Ground combat at Tavoy

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 22996 troops, 172 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 60014 troops, 589 guns, 268 vehicles



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Ground combat at Rahaeng

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 31046 troops, 231 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 61804 troops, 327 guns, 287 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Wuchow

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65626 troops, 425 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 111654 troops, 918 guns, 15 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
39 casualties reported

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Naval bombardment of Pago Pago, at 98,110 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 47 destroyed, 42 damaged
PBY Catalina: 7 destroyed, 5 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 12 destroyed, 8 damaged
P-39D Airacobra: 19 destroyed, 15 damaged

27 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
BB Nagato, Shell hits 11
BB Hiei
BB Ise
BB Yamashiro
BB Mutsu
BB Kirishima

Allied Ships
AO Guadalupe, Shell hits 1, on fire


Allied ground losses:
4617 casualties reported
Guns lost 166
Vehicles lost 5

Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 78
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RE: July 22nd, 1942: DEI

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Hi, Where did you find the Pago Pago event? When you make something up out of thin air let the readers know it is from your imagination and not from our game.

For everyone else. There was no bombardment of Pago Pago.
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RE: July 22nd, 1942: DEI

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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, Where did you find the Pago Pago event? When you make something up out of thin air let the readers know it is from your imagination and not from our game.

For everyone else. There was no bombardment of Pago Pago.

Pardon me, was intriged by Elf's thread on Nukes vs Invasions.[:D] This was an example of a bombardment which leveled PP. Throw anyone way off?

I'm wondering what Mogami has cooking...
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RE: July 22nd, 1942: DEI

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Hi, Well the PP example really translates into what? Each main gun inflicting 50 casualties for 12 hours of fire?
I just want this AAR to be about our game not a stump for you to stand on and post everything wrong with the game. I can stand 1600 turns of Pago Pagos easier then I can stand 1600 turns of "Why WITP stinks"
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RE: July 22nd, 1942: DEI

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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, Well the PP example really translates into what? Each main gun inflicting 50 casualties for 12 hours of fire?
I just want this AAR to be about our game not a stump for you to stand on and post everything wrong with the game. I can stand 1600 turns of Pago Pagos easier then I can stand 1600 turns of "Why WITP stinks"

Night Bombardments don't go on for 12 hours. Anyway, you are right...back to our match. I showing my lack of nicotine.

I got hammered by the LR CAP again. The attack vs LCUs resulted in another split so CAP had two cracks at my bombers...32 more go down. I had 16 fighters for escort, all assigned to Rahaeng and 2 fly. Doodee doo.[8D] I need more fighters with a range better than 2.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/23/42

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Sub attack at 54,52

Japanese Ships
AK Hachimanzan Maru
PC Kyo Maru #7
PG Hakkai Maru

Allied Ships
SS Thresher

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Day Air attack on Sasebo 1st SNLF, at 24,68


Allied aircraft
Wirraway x 11


Allied aircraft losses
Wirraway: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported


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Day Air attack on 21st Mixed Brigade, at 31,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 5
A6M3 Zero x 17
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 12

Allied aircraft
Mohawk IV x 2
Blenheim I x 5
Blenheim IV x 3
Beaufort I x 8
Beaufort V-IX x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged
A6M3 Zero: 1 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Mohawk IV: 2 destroyed
Blenheim I: 8 destroyed, 3 damaged
Blenheim IV: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Beaufort I: 4 destroyed, 5 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 6 destroyed, 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 55th Division, at 31,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 5
A6M3 Zero x 17
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 12

Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 6
Blenheim IV x 6
Beaufort I x 18
Beaufort V-IX x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged
A6M3 Zero: 6 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I: 14 destroyed, 4 damaged
Blenheim IV: 6 destroyed
Beaufort I: 21 destroyed
Beaufort V-IX: 7 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on Macassar , at 30,69


Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 27


No Allied losses

Runway hits 11

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Ground combat at Wuchow

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 86320 troops, 986 guns, 15 vehicles

Defending force 88482 troops, 498 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
99 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Tavoy

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8323 troops, 286 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 29147 troops, 189 guns, 1 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
221 casualties reported
Guns lost 8


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Ground combat at Tavoy

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 20149 troops, 164 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 60169 troops, 594 guns, 268 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Rahaeng

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 31103 troops, 235 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 61942 troops, 329 guns, 287 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
122 casualties reported
Guns lost 4


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Ground combat at Wuchow

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65524 troops, 427 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 113636 troops, 986 guns, 15 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
39 casualties reported


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RE: July 24th, 1942: DEI

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Mogami slaps the RAF at Rangoon. We've both been successful at catching each others assets on the ground in Burma. Must be our ability to muster overwhelming force on occasion due to large number of aircraft in theatre and large number of bases.

Stingray got off a report of CVL Zuiho heading SE towards the Marshalls a week or so ago but nothing since. Stingray is slowly making her way to Pearl after taking heavy damage from the fleet escorts. I wonder if this is Baby KB or perhaps a move towards the Canton Is/Pago Pago/Fiji line.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/24/42

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Night Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,40


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IF x 10


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IF: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Blenheim IF bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 73
A6M3 Zero x 12
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 33
Ki-21 Sally x 41
Ki-49 Helen x 56

Allied aircraft
Mohawk IV x 7
Spitfire Vb x 12
P-40E Warhawk x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 19 destroyed
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 24 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 3 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Mohawk IV: 22 destroyed, 7 damaged
Spitfire Vb: 23 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 7 destroyed
Beaufort I: 8 destroyed, 5 damaged
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
Blenheim I: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 34


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Ground combat at Tavoy

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8359 troops, 286 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 28855 troops, 180 guns, 1 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Guns lost 4


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Ground combat at Tavoy

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 20058 troops, 159 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 60398 troops, 601 guns, 269 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Rahaeng

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 31147 troops, 235 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 62088 troops, 323 guns, 287 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
70 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Kweilin

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 28002 troops, 206 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 22396 troops, 253 guns, 7 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
2 casualties reported

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RE: July 25th, 1942: DEI

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Looks like Mogami is going to attempt to capture Bali again. Can't hold out too long now given how isolated it is now.

Old I-153s flown by some marginal pilots lucked out and shot up some lightly escorted pigeons over Hengchow.

Some interesting troop dancing by Mogami near Wuchow has me guessing. Good thing I have a fairly sizeable force in reserve with which to respond to any concentration of force along the Wuchow Changsa axis.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/25/42


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Sub attack at 70,51

Japanese Ships
AP Shozan Maru
PC Gamitsu Maru #1
MSW Kyo Maru #5

Allied Ships
SS Seadragon

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Day Air attack on Hengchow , at 45,37

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 6
Ki-30 Ann x 60
Ki-32 Mary x 22
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
I-153c x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 36 destroyed, 20 damaged
Ki-32 Mary: 13 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-153c: 7 destroyed, 2 damaged
SB-2c: 7 destroyed, 9 damaged

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 23

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Day Air attack on 8th Tank Regiment, at 29,37


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 56


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
52 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 2

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Day Air attack on TF, near Bali at 24,68


Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 11


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Hiyodori
DD Sagi


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Ground combat at Wuchow

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 87598 troops, 1023 guns, 15 vehicles

Defending force 88484 troops, 501 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Tavoy

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8332 troops, 286 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 29571 troops, 204 guns, 1 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
261 casualties reported
Guns lost 4


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Ground combat at Rahaeng

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 31229 troops, 239 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 62307 troops, 325 guns, 288 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
104 casualties reported
Guns lost 4


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Ground combat at Tavoy

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 18596 troops, 181 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 60424 troops, 602 guns, 268 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
37 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Wuchow

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65649 troops, 429 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 114894 troops, 1023 guns, 15 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
55 casualties reported

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RE: July 25th, 1942: DEI

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Hey! Riceball! You no speaky American? Awfully quiet over there in your diaper like cloth undies. Not enough banter in this AAR.

The Emperor is a shitheel![;)]
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RE: July 25th, 1942: DEI

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Hi, I am talking. But your so busy blathering you don't hear me. Pretty soon now you'll shut up. I talk with my units. (I am about to make a speech)
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RE: July 25th, 1942: DEI

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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, I am talking. But your so busy blathering you don't hear me. Pretty soon now you'll shut up. I talk with my units. (I am about to make a speech)

Blathering! [:D] I think I made you stutter this turn. My boys did a good job.
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RE: July 26th, 1942: DEI

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Mogami was in fact making another attempt for Bali. I'm not sure where all his fighter cover is but the smallish CAP at Bali was not enough to keep the Allied Air Devils from wreaking havoc.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/26/42

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Night Air attack on Hanoi , at 36,37


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 10


No Allied losses

Manpower hits 1

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Night Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,40

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IF x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IF: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1

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Coastal Guns at Bali, 24,68, firing at TF 10
TF 10 troops unloading over beach at Bali, 24,68


51 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
PG Hakkaisan Maru

Japanese ground losses:
360 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on Hengchow , at 45,37

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 6
Ki-30 Ann x 43
Ki-32 Mary x 11

Allied aircraft
I-153c x 28
I-16c x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 18 destroyed, 8 damaged
Ki-32 Mary: 6 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-153c: 13 destroyed, 5 damaged
SB-2c: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 7

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Day Air attack on Ichang , at 47,33

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 12
Ki-51 Sonia x 25
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-51 Sonia: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 16

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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71


Allied aircraft
LB-30 Liberator x 22


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Runway hits 12

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Day Air attack on Amboina , at 39,73


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 19


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 11

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Day Air attack on 46th Chinese Corps, at 44,38

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 24
Ki-48 Lily x 15

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 84th Chinese Corps, at 44,38

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 97
Ki-48 Lily x 35

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on TF, near Bali at 24,68

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 16

Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 9
Wirraway x 11
P-40E Warhawk x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 22 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
MSW Eguchi Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP La Plata Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Shinyu Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
MSW Keinan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Seattle Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
81 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on TF, near Bali at 24,68

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14

Allied aircraft
Wirraway x 2
P-40E Warhawk x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Wirraway: 1 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
DD Hayabusa

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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71


Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 26


Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Runway hits 12

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Day Air attack on TF, near Bali at 24,68

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7

Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 6
Wirraway x 25
P-40E Warhawk x 6

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
PG Chosa Maru
AP Shinyu Maru, on fire
AP Shoan Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
PG Hakkaisan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Miyadono Maru, Bomb hits 1
AP Nagano Maru
AP Satsuma Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
56 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on TF, near Bali at 24,68

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7

Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 27
Hudson I x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 5 destroyed
Hudson I: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP La Plata Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Satsuma Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
AP Seattle Maru, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
AP Oridono Maru
AP Nagano Maru, Bomb hits 1
PG Chosa Maru
MSW Eguchi Maru, on fire, heavy damage
AP Shinyu Maru, on fire
PG Hakkaisan Maru, on fire
MSW Keinan Maru, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
100 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Ground combat at Wuchow

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 87643 troops, 1026 guns, 15 vehicles

Defending force 88474 troops, 504 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Tavoy

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8383 troops, 288 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 29388 troops, 198 guns, 1 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Rahaeng

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 31330 troops, 243 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 72623 troops, 328 guns, 287 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Tavoy

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 18578 troops, 177 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 60623 troops, 608 guns, 268 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Wuchow

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65513 troops, 430 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 114941 troops, 1026 guns, 15 vehicles



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Ground combat at Bali

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3825 troops, 49 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 9919 troops, 47 guns, 5 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
2 casualties reported
Guns lost 1



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RE: July 27th, 1942: DEI

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Pretty brutal day for both sides. I lost a whack of fighters in battles over Rahaeng and Hengchow. Mogami attempted to utilize shipping at Macassar and was hit pretty hard from the LBA which had hit Bali's invasion TF yesterday.

Bali is about to fall under overwhelming odds. The defenders of Tavoy and Rahaeng withstand shock attacks but lose a dispropportianate amount of troops, most likely due to the presence of enemy armour, if you can call the toys Japan uses armour.

The bases of Wuchow and Kweilin may be becoming untennable due to supply constraints. The road is bleeding what little supply is available at Kweiling so little is getting to the troops. Mogami is shunting troops into a gap between the two bases with the intent of utilizing the ZOC limitations which keep troops from retreating into contested hexes. This further lessens the viability of these two bases. I'd rather lose the bases than the troops any day. Perhaps a withdrawl?[;)]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/27/42

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Coastal Guns at Bali, 24,68, firing at TF 10
TF 10 troops unloading over beach at Bali, 24,68


43 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
PG Chosa Maru, Shell hits 1

Japanese ground losses:
185 casualties reported

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Night Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,40


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IF x 7


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IF: 1 damaged

Runway hits 1

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Coastal Guns at Bali, 24,68, firing at TF 10
TF 10 troops unloading over beach at Bali, 24,68


23 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
PG Chosa Maru, Shell hits 1

Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on Hengchow , at 45,37

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 34
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 6
Ki-21 Sally x 145
Ki-48 Lily x 41
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
I-153c x 19
I-16c x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 17 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 4 destroyed, 8 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-153c: 28 destroyed
I-16c: 19 destroyed, 17 damaged
SB-2c: 9 destroyed, 13 damaged


Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported

Airbase hits 27
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 120

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Day Air attack on Hsinyang , at 49,33


Allied aircraft
SB-2c x 24


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1

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Day Air attack on Wuhan , at 48,35


Allied aircraft
P-35A x 19
IL-4c x 9


Allied aircraft losses
IL-4c: 2 damaged

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Day Air attack on Ichang , at 47,33

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 11
Ki-51 Sonia x 25
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-51 Sonia: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 22

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Day Air attack on Bali , at 24,68

Japanese aircraft
C5M Babs x 1

No Japanese losses

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Day Air attack on 4th Engineer Regiment, at 28,38


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 56


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 96th Chinese Division, at 31,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
A6M3 Zero x 32
Ki-21 Sally x 20
Ki-49 Helen x 22

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane II: 39 destroyed, 7 damaged


Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 17th Indian Division, at 31,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 32
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 18
Ki-21 Sally x 15
Ki-49 Helen x 28

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane II: 7 destroyed, 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
81 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 6th DAF Base Force, at 24,68

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 4
Ki-21 Sally x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
58 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

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Day Air attack on Samarinda Garrison Battalion, at 24,68

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Day Air attack on TF, near Macassar at 30,69


Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 27
Hudson I x 28
B-25C Mitchell x 15


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 8, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AP Kinryu Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire
AP Katori Maru, Bomb hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
AP Kirishima Maru, Bomb hits 13, on fire, heavy damage
AP Kumakawa Maru, Bomb hits 1
PC Ch 10

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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71


Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 21


Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5

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Ground combat at Bali

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 12897 troops, 77 guns, 5 vehicles

Defending force 5674 troops, 56 guns, 3 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 4)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2


Japanese ground losses:
148 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
Vehicles lost 2

Allied ground losses:
132 casualties reported
Guns lost 5


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Ground combat at Wuchow

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 87713 troops, 1029 guns, 15 vehicles

Defending force 88486 troops, 504 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Tavoy

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 57174 troops, 610 guns, 266 vehicles

Defending force 29250 troops, 197 guns, 1 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 8)


Japanese ground losses:
1029 casualties reported
Guns lost 51
Vehicles lost 4

Allied ground losses:
879 casualties reported
Guns lost 23


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Ground combat at Rahaeng

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 72950 troops, 331 guns, 287 vehicles

Defending force 40145 troops, 289 guns, 1 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 5)


Japanese ground losses:
974 casualties reported
Guns lost 39
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
2115 casualties reported
Guns lost 44


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Ground combat at Rahaeng

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 28974 troops, 168 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 69538 troops, 262 guns, 284 vehicles



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Ground combat at Tavoy

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 17859 troops, 141 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 56926 troops, 519 guns, 257 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1


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Ground combat at Wuchow

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65551 troops, 429 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 175285 troops, 1730 guns, 22 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Bali

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3655 troops, 41 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 12341 troops, 64 guns, 2 vehicles


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RE: July 27th, 1942: DEI

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"Mogami is shunting troops into a gap between the two bases with the intent of utilizing the ZOC limitations which keep troops from retreating into contested hexes."

Hi, Geez you make everything sound like an exploit. I am surrounding you. I'm not utilizing ZOC limitations. I am surrounding you. I am not using Bn size units or fragments. Those are Japanese divisions. In wars after 1870 opposing armies deployed in what is known as a "front" a front is a continuos line of units protecting each others flank. Since you have deployed in "islands" you allow "pockets" where your units are surrounded. This is not an exploit of the game. It is an exploit of your troop deployment.
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RE: July 27th, 1942: DEI

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ORIGINAL: Mogami

"Mogami is shunting troops into a gap between the two bases with the intent of utilizing the ZOC limitations which keep troops from retreating into contested hexes."

Hi, Geez you make everything sound like an exploit. I am surrounding you. I'm not utilizing ZOC limitations. I am surrounding you. I am not using Bn size units or fragments. Those are Japanese divisions. In wars after 1870 opposing armies deployed in what is known as a "front" a front is a continuos line of units protecting each others flank. Since you have deployed in "islands" you allow "pockets" where your units are surrounded. This is not an exploit of the game. It is an exploit of your troop deployment.

Hey, I'm a reporter and call them as I see 'em! [:D] Haahaa! No, I had a shitty final deployment there having to juggle troops all over China from Yenen to Wuchow by oxcart and am getting caught for it now. The ZOC rule is a bit one sided for the attacker though. Should be able to retreat into a hex with a friendly unit, why not?
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Hi, This is not games fault.

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RE: July 27th, 1942: DEI

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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, This is not games fault.

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To a degree it is.

I don't know what the defender is supposed to do in this game. If I play as one would a normal board game, where we would have stacking limits, understandable ZOCs and no dual occupation of hexes, I'd be able to utilize defences in depth, fronts, lines etc. In this game with this model you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. If I split the units and form a line, attacker simply concentrates into a death star due to no stacking limits and smashes the front at one point. If I were to concentrate, as I've had to here while waiting for units to rebuild and redeploy from Yenen sector, attacker simply sends in flanking units. Attempting to keep a path clear for retreat is near hopeless as Allies as well, because, given the fact that Allies can't realistically force Japan to retreat on too many occasions, once Japan moves troops into a hex generally they are not to be budged.
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Anyway, I'm not saying you are exploiting the system here. What are you supposed to do, nothing? The fact that the game has weird ZOC issues which benefit attacker, among many others, and is not the attackers fault, it's a mechanics issue. The defender will get screwed in these cases...look at what happened to our Luzon Campaign.

The ZOC issue for contested hexes kept the units in Manila from withdrawing or retreating to Clark, also contested. So. Manila units were destroyed, then Clark units get hammered until they fell back to Bataan, then they fell in a day. Only way to avoid this is to constantly fall back without defending until all units are at Clark, hardly an award winning combat model.
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Leaders? More of a mystery now than ever.

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Still trying to figure out concept behind leader ratings. This throws me off more...

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The leader thing is beginning to run rampant in our game. Because I did not return a CV to satisfy RN withdrawl (CVL Hermes did not qualify), I'm in negative PPs and have been for over a month. During this time, I can't boot any leaders in weird situations, which I've been doing up to now.

This above example is a Chinese LT pilot commanding an USN Dorsey class DMS and is described as best suited to commanding an aircraft carrier. ?????[&:][8|] I'm at a loss.
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