Still not sure about advanced supply

[jcrohio]

Have been playing with and reading about advanced supply - not sure about a couple of features.

1. How can you tell if a unit has been supplied? - I know if you use tactical movement the three barrells will show on the unit display - but what about units that do not use tactical movement in a turn? - my problem has been with partisan control with germany - for example I have a sufficient number of units in Yugoslavia to combat partisans but at the end of the turn the partisans still attack - I am assuming a lack of supplies - how can I tell if they have been supplied? - I tried playing with auto suppllies which I thought by rule 10.7 paragraph three that one supply point would automatically move to any area with partisans - and what about defense? - how can I tell if a unit is supplied for defense of a possible attack later?

2. Concerning the Unit Movement Menu - cannot figure out what purpose the Supply Unit Button has

3. Rule 10.3 - Use of Supplies - point 1 states that supplies will come "From the region the unit occupies before the current move" - does this mean in a prior turn? - what is a "current move"

4. Finally - the Area Supply feature - are people using it? - I have seen a split in the forums with Auto Supply with many liking it and many not liking it - but I have seen little discussion with Area Supply - any thoughts?

Thanks in advance for any help

Jack

[ratprince]

Jrochio;

1) You can tell a unit has been supplied by looking at it's image in the pop up and seeing if it has three little barrel symbols in the bottom left. iF it has a green arrow, they have used tac movement, if red arrow they have used extended movement. You must have at least ONE supply in each conquered region (with a least one population center) to combat partisans, in addition to the garrison requirement. On the defense units in an area will automatically use the supply in the area (one needed per turn)

2) the supply unit button is used if you want to specifically designate where a unit's supply will come from. i.e. if you do not want the unit to use supply in their area but an adjacent one, simply select the unit, then click the supply unit button and then you click on the area to supply from. That way you can have units on the front line use supply from the rear line instead of the supply in their area.

3)THis is used in reference to "extended movement" for armor and fleets. i.e. if you move a fleet from italy one sea zone (which costs one supply) and then decide to continue its movement more zones (extended movement) then the supply necessary (4 for heavy fleets, 3 for carriers, 2 for light fleets, 1 for armor) will come from the location the unit started in, not its new location. In this example the supply for the fleet would come from italy even if the sea zone it occupies is not touching italy. This represents the fleet "filling" up prior to leaving.

4) I am not a fan of area supply. What it does is make sure that EVERY AREA has at least one supply for defense purposes. This can be a HUGE DRAIN on supply for nations like japan and germany which are stretched tight to begn with. i.e. the germans may not want to supply austria and czech due to their non coastal regions (and relative safety). The supply would be a waste as they will more than likely not be subject to attack. The supply could be better used elsewhere (Russian front, etc..) With the feature off, you must place a supply whereever you want them. A bit more work, but ultimately more efficient.

Hope this helps!

Later

Prof. Mike

[Uncle_Joe]

At first I didnt like the Area Supply, but I've become accustomed to it and now I think its fine. 'Safe' places only need to be supplied once and then they are done. They dont drain 1/turn so I have no problem with it making sure that everyone has at least enough to defend with.

I kind of thought 'Auto-Move Supply' was a crutch at first too. As I've played, I see it more of just a convenience feature. Its not accomplishing anything I cant do myself with a bunch of mouse clicks, so its not giving me any added capability, just reducing the amount of micro management that it takes. I find that in certain situations, I like to move it myself to make sure its where I want it or to take strain off the rail lines next turn.

So, FWIW, I think Auto Move and Area Supply are both fine options to play with. Neither is a 'cheat' or a 'handicapping feature'. They are just tools to save clicks and hassle.

YMMV.

[Alan_Bernardo]

2) the supply unit button is used if you want to specifically designate where a unit's supply will come from. i.e. if you do not want the unit to use supply in their area but an adjacent one, simply select the unit, then click the supply unit button and then you click on the area to supply from. That way you can have units on the front line use supply from the rear line instead of the supply in their area.

When you say, "then click on the supply unit button", where is this button? Is it on the square graphic of the unit? I don't see such a button. Will the button appear if the unit is in supply?

Thanks,

Alanb

[Barthheart]

It's on the movement pop-up at the bottom, the barrels.

[Uncle_Joe]

Its on the pop up menu on the right hand of the screen that appears when you select a unit. It displays your total number of supplies, has some movement options (stack move, force strat movement, etc) and then has a button for 'Supply Unit'.

[Alan_Bernardo]

I see now. I was looking at the unit graphic itself, not the separate window that appears on the right.

I must admit, being the ignorant type, that I never knew of this before.

Thanks,

Alanb

[Grotius]

I've also been confused about this; in my first games in Advanced Supply mode now, with Auto-Move on.

I understand that if I tactically move a unit, it will draw supply. It's set to defend, fully supplied, for the coming turn.

But what if I strategically move a unit, or just let it sit without moving it at all? In that case, to ensure that I defend in-supply, I have to provide 1 supply for the entire region -- right? How do I do that? Do I manually supply 1 such unit? Or do I move a truck into that region, or adjacent to it, and then the Auto-Move routines will do it for me automatically?

[Barthheart]

ORIGINAL: Grotius

I've also been confused about this; in my first games in Advanced Supply mode now, with Auto-Move on.

I understand that if I tactically move a unit, it will draw supply. It's set to defend, fully supplied, for the coming turn.

But what if I strategically move a unit, or just let it sit without moving it at all? In that case, to ensure that I defend in-supply, I have to provide 1 supply for the entire region -- right? How do I do that? Do I manually supply 1 such unit? Or do I move a truck into that region, or adjacent to it, and then the Auto-Move routines will do it for me automatically?

For units that you don't move or strat. move just make sure that there is one supply point in that region. It will supply all the units there should they be attack for the entire turn, regardless of the number of times it's attacked. Auto-move will not, I believe, move supply from an adjacent region to supply for defence.

[Joel Billings]

The rule is that a defending stack that needs to be supplied can draw supply from its region or any adjacent region (if no supply in its region). This has nothing to do with Auto Supply as Auto Supply only functions during your turn. You are correct that an entire stack will only need one supply if attacked, and once attacked, will be in supply for all future attacks until the beginning of the stack's next turn.

[exelius]

ok i get it now too. Along with that i see that auto supply doesnt give it the one it needs for defense but does area supply on give it the 1 supply it needs for defense then automatically?