Problems With France Attack

[randell765]

Just throwing a question out there,
Every time, and I mean every time(on normal difficulty), I attack france, I always lose a tank, and I mean always, did I mention always? This has got to be a serious bug. And yes, I have tried different ways of attacking. At first, just 7 tanks, no good, I lose 1-2 tanks. then I tried softening France up with an air attack, no good, still lose 1-2 tanks. Then i tried an air attack and then a tank attack with 1 bomber in the attack also, no good, lose 1-2 tanks.

And lastly, I tried air attack to soften them up, 7 tanks and 1 plane with 1 air born paratrooper. GREAT NEWS, I lost only 1 tank.......and 1 paratrooper. I thoughtI would test this theory and I tried this scenario out, 20 times, yep, I wasted an hour or 2 doing this battle over, and over and over and over and over. If I lose 1-2 tanks 20 out of 20 times, and bear with me, I'm no mathematician, but I came up with 100%.

Does something seem wrong with this????? If I just attack with 7 tanks then yes, mabey I'll lose 1-2. If I soften them up with air attacks and then attack with 7 tanks, ok, mabey I will lose 1 tank 50% on a lucky hit. BUT AN AIR ATTACK WITH AIR SUPPORT AND A PARATROOPER AND & 7 TANKS??????? 20 out of 20?????????????????????

Seems like an unrealistic expectation on the part of the defender. Joel or Gary, could you please fix this on the next patch? Thank you.

[Paul Vebber]

If you are working from a save, then the "die rolls" are preset so doing a turn over and over will not lead to an advantage. SO saving teh game before the battle and redoing it over and over leads to the same result to remove a potential replay cheat.

If you are starting the game over from scratch, and teh complaint is the result is always 1 or 2 loses, then that is based on math. On normal, the expected result of sending 7 armor and 4 bombers is 1,2 or rarely - 0, or 3 casulaites. That is jsut the range of results based on teh attack dice and defense of the units involved.

[color]

I've seen losses of three tanks once, never 0 units though.

With only one tech level difference (german tank evasion = 7, allied attack = 6) five infantry & one artillery should be able to get in a hit, even if some are distracted by firing at air units.

Jorgen

[ratprince]

I usually have 0 (zero) losses in France.

Here's how.

1) Stuka first from WG (kill or damage arty in France)
2) 1 bomber at a time from Germany (that way they wont try to kill same target but rather damage two separate units) That makes on average 2, sometimes 3 units gone from france.
3) Roll in with 4 or 5 tanks max, = no casualties.

Not "guaranteed" to keep casualties to zero, but probably 6 of 10 times I would say.

Also, this way you save on supply. No need to send the extra armor extended movement if not necessary. Those 2 to 4 supply can be used to repair the factories in France.

I would say a good open for Germany should net you Low countries, France, Denmark, Norway and Yugoslavia - turn one. You should be able to repair all the resources and a couple factories in France. You could go for more (i.e. Greece) but it would be unduly risky....

later

Mike

[aletoledo]

i've had zero causalties I think twice. both time required eliminating the artillery with air before the tanks rolled in.

[Dalwin]

The first three times I played Germany, I rolled into France with nothing but the 7 tanks and no air strikes. These 3 all resulted in no casualties.

On my fourth game, I had one tank destroyed.

There is enough of a random factor here that it is hard to judge from a sample size of only a single digit number of games.