Matrix got it wrong???

[MM3 Steam Turbine]

ORIGINAL: Grotius

I'm with Titanwarrior. Given the massive scope of the game, it's a pretty impressive achievement. Sure, I can tick off two dozen things I would change. In a game as complex as this, everyone will have two dozen complaints. And we're never all going to agree on, say, how effective Betties should be or how many Op Losses aircraft should take. But as I read the AARs in the AAR forum, I'm usually pretty satisfied that the game plays out in a historically plausible way. And my own experience, especially in PBEM, has been similar.

This game makes you think. In a PBEM, I really think hard about what the other guy might do, about logistics problems, about strategic choices, and so on. I like that.

I have bought dozens of computer wargames, not to mention dozens of old board wargames. This is the only computer wargame (other than its predecessor, Uncommon Valor) that has kept my attention for the better part of a year. A pretty good sign, that.

Ditto that![:)]

[Ron Saueracker]

Logistics, no one complains that supply does not work, or that it is either too important or not important enough

[&:] I know you can read since you are obviouly literate. Hi, my name is Ron S and I'm a big complainer.[8D] Been doing so since UV. [&o] You must be the only guy who thinks I'm not because you've missed the volumes of logistics harping myself and many others have compiled on these boards. Take a look at the scenario development board threads for a quick taste test.[;)]

[Ron Saueracker]

I bears pointing out that if the air combat system is working well no one comes on the boards to discuss the high quality of the air system. Instead they go play games. But if the air system has problems they want it fixed and they post about it.

So if you want to know what is right about the game look at what people do not complain about.

Here is a short list:

Logistics, no one complains that supply does not work, or that it is either too important or not important enough.

Ship Vs. Ship combat

Air to Air combat

Air to Ship combat

The whole system of planning, loading and launching invasions

Most aspects of Japanese production

Most aspects of base operations

Naval repair

So the list of what is right includes much of the critically important stuff. The list of what is wrong includes some important things but few of them are as important for the game as what is on the list above.

I should have just read the whole darn post before replying.

Gawd Man! Where have you been?[X(]

[Mike Scholl]

ORIGINAL: treespider

I keep reading threads about how Matrix has the game all wrong....can anyone please point me to a game where anybody got it right?

There isn't a game out there where anybody got it all right. What's so frustraiting
about this one is not that they screwed some things up (it's a huge effort---things
were going to get screwed up)---it's that they went and HARD CODED so many of
the problems and can't fix them!

This game was going to be a "grognard's wet dream"..., and instead it's turned out
to be a "circle jerk". Nobody's going to tackle this subject on this scale again soon,
so this is what we have. And it's tantalizingly close to what we wanted. That's why
all the screaming. It COULD have been great..., and instead it's PACWAR with detail.

[freeboy]

it's that they went and HARD CODED so many of
the problems and can't fix them!

If they had used a more modern system, then the user community would be tinkering with this and probably vreated a much more user friendly and adaptable game...

[MikeH1952]

I am enjoying my PBEM game so much, and it's taking up so much of my thinking time that I only get to read the forums when I am travelling. This for me means that this is a great game, bugs and inaccuracies included.