B24's oh my

[freeboy]

I would pay good money, is there any other kind?, too seee the Frag and pony.. er I mean sheep show, combined with swords and wiffle ball bats...

[hithere]

Hey wiffle bats are no joke, my 45 lb daughter totally incapacitated her 6'1" 210 pound dad for about 15 min

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: hithere

Hey wiffle bats are no joke, my 45 lb daughter totally incapacitated her 6'1" 210 pound dad for about 15 min

I hesistate to ask where she hit you...[X(]

[hithere]

[Charles2222]

ORIGINAL: pasternakski

ORIGINAL: hithere
i think it is a new reality series...they are going to call it "10 men with swords trying to hold off 100 men with wiffal bats"

Or "The proud ... the few ... the wifflewhackers."

Nah, the few would be the ones with swords.

[Charles2222]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: hithere

Hey wiffle bats are no joke, my 45 lb daughter totally incapacitated her 6'1" 210 pound dad for about 15 min

I hesistate to ask where she hit you...[X(]

I'm guessing somewhere below the mouth.

[Tankerace]

I actually sort of like the upgrading for the Allies. War in the Pacific was never meant to be balanced, it was meant to be psuedo accurate.

The main reason I like it is because historically, several units in the PTO were outfitted with one plane, but due to shortages had to go to another type of plane. Don't remember the squadron, but in 1943 there was a unit of P-38Gs. However, because there was a shortage of P-38s, and an overabundance of P-47s, the unit converted out of necessity. Pre 1.5, that wouldn't be represented. However, post 1.5 it is possible. Yes, the Allied production is fixed. But if you have a shortage of one plane, or an abundance of another, why should we not be able to switch?

In pre 1.5 WiTP, by 1945 the Allies would have several groups stuck at just P-40s. At that late in the game, why can't the player decide to re-equip them with longer range planes? Its not biased, its a new dimension to the game. Granted, I do think there should be some limits to it, but otherwise its ok by me.

[freeboy]

actually sort of like the upgrading for the Allies. War in the Pacific was never meant to be balanced, it was meant to be psuedo accurate.

The main reason I like it is because historically, several units in the PTO were outfitted with one plane, but due to shortages had to go to another type of plane. Don't remember the squadron, but in 1943 there was a unit of P-38Gs. However, because there was a shortage of P-38s, and an overabundance of P-47s, the unit converted out of necessity. Pre 1.5, that wouldn't be represented. However, post 1.5 it is possible. Yes, the Allied production is fixed. But if you have a shortage of one plane, or an abundance of another, why should we not be able to switch?

I aggree in part, I think player should be able to choose what parts to play historically or not... My biggest issue is that this will unballance an allready far from balance pbem game system .. do to to rapid advance.. supplies etc

[Brady]

"do to to rapid advance.. supplies etc "

I agree compleatly, espichaly with the later part, I have some TF just sitting ready laden with suplys, since I have so much at most bases I am more in fear of loss from over suply, than from enemy action, that is in my Allied game's.

[pasternakski]

ORIGINAL: Charles_22

ORIGINAL: pasternakski

ORIGINAL: hithere
i think it is a new reality series...they are going to call it "10 men with swords trying to hold off 100 men with wiffal bats"

Or "The proud ... the few ... the wifflewhackers."

Nah, the few would be the ones with swords.

That's what I'm saying, Charles, the few are whacking the wifflers.

[michaelm75au]

Of course, if you want to keep closer to the real group a/c paths just don't vary from the stated upgrade paths.

The option to allow for flexible upgrade was to allow the player to "alter" history slightly, in which case the number of planes produced will depend on the production/replacement rates rather than how many groups historically had a type of plane.
[:)]
Michael

[rhohltjr]

ORIGINAL: pasternakski

ORIGINAL: Charles_22

ORIGINAL: pasternakski


Or "The proud ... the few ... the wifflewhackers."

Nah, the few would be the ones with swords.

That's what I'm saying, Charles, the few are whacking the wifflers.

That sort of TV show never interests me.
Your only qualifications for those reality series shows are hunkiness or boobs.
The contestants never relate to sword - wiffal bat history, or possible upgrade paths for the bats, i.e., going lower to stuffed sock bats because there were so many or upgrading to the later technology the "Whak a mole" bat.

[Mike Scholl]

What I enjoy most about this whole situation is watching the reactions of the Jap Fan-Boys. As long as ONLY the Japanese benefitted it was a terrific idea---greatest thing since sliced bread. But when it turns out the Allies get to play too it all of a sudden becomes a big problem and a terrible thing. What a joke...

[freeboy]

somehow we diverged into non"reality" realty tv and the origoanl topic..
on point A.. I would like a real reality survivor,.. gropups droped in the desert, first group to say uncle losses.. give them a knife and sunblock, and clothes, provide a dr nearby to monitor, like in boxing... if they die you at least know they where being checked.. same as boxing risk of the sport.. longest lasting team wins...

in the origonal thread.. My concern as an allied imperitor.. currently getting readdy in an aar in 12 44 to pound JApan to dust, just about to double my b29 groups in number and first p51 coming online.. as well as larger airbases to fly out of... I cannot imagine how the Jap players are going to defend against the onslaught.. maybe a ho rule that half the allied ak's must be stored in SF

[Halsey]

I wasn't going to say a thing, but these were exactly my thoughts too Mike.

Ahistorical upgrade possibilities for both sides. It kind of balances out, don't ya think?[;)]

[Tristanjohn]

ORIGINAL: Halsey

I wasn't going to say a thing, but these were exactly my thoughts too Mike.

Ahistorical upgrade possibilities for both sides. It kind of balances out, don't ya think?[;)]

Well, it's "fair" in a manner of speaking, but every time you "balance" one of these system tomfooleries the Allies always benefit the most in the end.

I find it enormously humorous that support can righteously tell us on the one hand that in v1.6 the Allies will no longer be allowed to pull a few miserable support cadres out of the PI or DEI, even after paying the PPs for this action, which was, after all, the design intent for PPs, and that this New-and-Improved! band-aid will somehow fix something critical . . . meanwhile, this same support element continues to inflict an already hopelessly confused simulation with more "features" such as open-ended aircraft upgrades for both sides, which, the moment this new mode of play is actually installed, the very people who screamed for this then howl in protest as they shrewdly observe once again that in the long run it's the Allies which must ultimately benefit most.

This board is a hoot! [:D]

[freeboy]

I am the originator, and not complaining as I have soon, three 1.5 as allied, one in a old game so no strangness..

[Tristanjohn]

ORIGINAL: freeboy

I am the originator, and not complaining as I have soon, three 1.5 as allied, one in a old game so no strangness..

That's fine, you're not complaining. I'm happy for you. But the game is turning into a kind of mockery of World War II.

[Halsey]

I can already imagine scores of B-24 and P-38 groups.[:D]

Go ahead and let the Japanese upgrade to Frank's and George's.
They're gonna need them![:D]

[Bradley7735]

Don't forget about Corsairs on US (and British) CV's and CVE's. That's probably the worst example I can think of. Corsairs being traded out for F6F's (or F4F's in early 43). And forget about the F4F subtypes operating on CVE's. They'll go to F6F's in no time (or even Corsairs).

I remember when they said that we'd be able to change aircraft willy nilly. Most of the japan fan boys just loved it. When you see Corsairs on the Big E in 3/43 you'll wish the rule wasn't in effect.

The only thing that will keep this remotely realistic is that allies can't increase the production rate of any plane. So, you'll only have to shoot down 150 corsairs a month to stay alive. (can't quite remember the production rate of corsairs)