Exactly how does the losses replacement system work?

Mikser · Post by **Mikser** » Sun Nov 18, 2001 5:22 am

This is something that makes me wonder, because infantry/arty etc. losses seem to be replaced correctly...However, tank losses don't, and it often seems as I've something like 2 tanks per Panzer battalion(whether divisional or sub-unit) at good times, with tens of thousands tanks in the force pool at any given time.
This is even more bizarre as the O.K.W/O.K.H replacement levels are set at 100 and infantry losses do get replaced when I transfer combat-weary divisions, be they regular or Panzer(Grenadier), there...But the Panzer levels remain at appalling 2/battalion... Even stranger yet, newly created sub-units seem to be stuck at 4/battalion, be it StuGs or Tigers. Is this really *meant* to be so? BTW, I'm using Wirhack/w 3.101.

Yogi Yohan · Post by **Yogi Yohan** » Sun Nov 18, 2001 5:42 am

Originally posted by Mikser:
This is something that makes me wonder, because infantry/arty etc. losses seem to be replaced correctly...However, tank losses don't, and it often seems as I've something like 2 tanks per Panzer battalion(whether divisional or sub-unit) at good times, with tens of thousands tanks in the force pool at any given time.
This is even more bizarre as the O.K.W/O.K.H replacement levels are set at 100 and infantry losses do get replaced when I transfer combat-weary divisions, be they regular or Panzer(Grenadier), there...But the Panzer levels remain at appalling 2/battalion... Even stranger yet, newly created sub-units seem to be stuck at 4/battalion, be it StuGs or Tigers. Is this really *meant* to be so? BTW, I'm using Wirhack/w 3.101.

This is (probably) a bug with an older WIRHACK version that comes from enabling the "block StuGs in Pz Bn" option. This blocked all reinforcement of Pz battallions. See the "To the death, aka WIRHACK 2.1" thread, and get the latest version.

Mikser · Post by **Mikser** » Sun Nov 18, 2001 5:50 am

Ah, yes, you're absolutely correct - a quick experiment with disabling the option saw my tank units next turn with far higher strengths - and incidentally an experience drop from 90 percent average to 40 percent average. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">
Thankee.

Ed Cogburn · Post by **Ed Cogburn** » Sun Nov 18, 2001 1:48 pm

Originally posted by Mikser:
Ah, yes, you're absolutely correct - a quick experiment with disabling the option saw my tank units next turn with far higher strengths - and incidentally an experience drop from 90 percent average to 40 percent average. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">
Thankee.

This was fixed in WIRHACK v2.11.

Muzrub · Post by **Muzrub** » Sun Nov 18, 2001 1:48 pm

What about Tigers- I have many ready to go but cannot place them into Panzer divisions- it wont allow me to 'change' tanks.

Is there a reason?

Thanks

Ed Cogburn · Post by **Ed Cogburn** » Sun Nov 18, 2001 1:55 pm

Originally posted by Muzrub:
What about Tigers- I have many ready to go but cannot place them into Panzer divisions- it wont allow me to 'change' tanks.

Is there a reason?

Thanks

The reason, alas, is that the game won't let us. <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

Tigers are sent to the independent battalions, not Pz Div Btns. The game reserves Panther and Mk-IV tanks for the Pz Divisions.

You'll also get a hurd of Stugs if you don't use the option in WirHack 2.11 to suppress Stugs in Pz battalions. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

I'm not sure I'd want it to do this anyway, as it will inevitably put TIgers in a division I never wanted good tanks to go to.

Muzrub · Post by **Muzrub** » Mon Nov 19, 2001 12:23 pm

Bugger!

I have hundreds of Tigers but they dont have a home <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

Yogi Yohan · Post by **Yogi Yohan** » Mon Nov 19, 2001 12:39 pm

Originally posted by Muzrub:
Bugger!

I have hundreds of Tigers but they dont have a home <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

Muzrub - those cute kittens should have a home!

If you're playing against the AI, then there's a number of things you can do. For example, you could simply use EDITWIR and manually change the tank component of any PzBn you want to Tigers. If you do not want to cheat, then manually reduce the Tiger Pool by the same amount (and increase the pool of the exchanged tank type). Against the AI, this is not cheating in my mind. If the Germans had had hundreds of surplus Tigers, they would have put them to use somewhere.

You could also set an earlier arrival date to the 500-series PzBns. They and the SS 101-103rd are the Tiger units. If you set the initial number of tanks to 0, then that would not be cheating either.

Another way, if you play with Computer factory control is to set Tiger as replacement for some obsolete tank type - for example the Pz-IIIm. This will put Tigers in Pz-IIIm battallions while there are more than 100 or so in the pool.

And finally, you can change the Tank type of the Tiger/Königstiger to Medium, rather than Heavy. This will allow you complete freedom to replace any tank with Tigers. In itself, it might not be cheating (always assuming you´re playing the AI) but if that leads you to produce vastly more Tigers than the Germans could, then it might become a bit "cheaty". But then again, against the AI - who cares? <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> Have fun!

/Johan - fellow felinelover

Muzrub · Post by **Muzrub** » Mon Nov 19, 2001 2:01 pm

Thanks for the info Yogi- but I'm playing another person.

Oh well- I better put those kitties in their cages and save them for another day.

When can I get my hands on some Panthers?

Thanks.

Tom1939 · Post by **Tom1939** » Mon Nov 19, 2001 2:10 pm

Panthers come about may of 43 too annihilate the soviet armor <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

varjager · Post by **varjager** » Mon Nov 19, 2001 2:17 pm

What Muzrub is saying is that he hopes the Tigers will be the savior of his fronts against the workers of World! But have no fear Muzrub you will be hanged in Berlin in the future!

Muzrub · Post by **Muzrub** » Mon Nov 19, 2001 2:22 pm

What Muzrub is saying is that he hopes the Tigers will be the savior of his fronts against the workers of World! But have no fear Muzrub you will be hanged in Berlin in the future!

Thanks mate.

Is invading a country and murdering its citizens really a hanging offence?

I thought maybe a $200 fine and a suspended sentence would be enough.

varjager · Post by **varjager** » Mon Nov 19, 2001 3:14 pm

Originally posted by Muzrub:
What Muzrub is saying is that he hopes the Tigers will be the savior of his fronts against the workers of World! But have no fear Muzrub you will be hanged in Berlin in the future!

Thanks mate.

Is invading a country and murdering its citizens really a hanging offence?

I thought maybe a $200 fine and a suspended sentence would be enough.

Ok Muzrub we settle for about 250 then.Plus that you will go out in all medias saying that you are sorry.

Muzrub · Post by **Muzrub** » Mon Nov 19, 2001 3:22 pm

Ok Muzrub we settle for about 250 then.Plus that you will go out in all medias saying that you are sorry.

Goodo- I was hoping I wouldn't be doing community service work- picking up trash on the side of the road. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

varjager · Post by **varjager** » Mon Nov 19, 2001 4:09 pm

No Sir all you have to do is to say you are sorry.
And a small promise that you will never do it again! If that dont work,well then we can talk about cleanig trash from the roads.Mind you it will be the roads of Russia then!

Muzrub · Post by **Muzrub** » Mon Nov 19, 2001 4:48 pm

I would say sorry but the people would not allow it.
They're a war crazy people them Germans- except for the peace loving ones like Mighty Muzrub.

I didn't know you had roads anyway- I thought they were dirt tracks. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

SoleSurvivor · Post by **SoleSurvivor** » Tue Nov 20, 2001 2:44 am

They are not really roads... they are railroad tracks without rails (which will be delivered next year, according to the 5 year plan for building up the infradstructure from crappy to worse)