House rules questioned.

Picohertz · Post by **Picohertz** » Wed Nov 21, 2001 11:41 am

Having read the thread about historic house rules I started to question the way that I play, and whether or not certain things could have happened. I do not aim to cheat or exploit the game, so if any of my actions that I do are considered as such, I would stop.

1. Sending troops from Hungary to the Western front. I do this often times, it is a good place for them in my opinion. Did it happen? No. Could it happen? I think so. Why? Hungary joined the Tripartite pact in November 1940. Hungary declared war on the USA on December 13th of 1941. This shows that Hungary was willing to go along with Germany. If they would do this, then I think it reasonable that they would help defend Western Europe if pressured to by Germany.

2. Italian forces to the Western Front. A similar situation as above. Italy was in history charged with defending Greece (though it was the Germans who actually conquered it). So I find it reasonable that a part of France could be charged to Italy also. Italy had fought the French in 1940, and I think she would help defend this conquered land if called upon. German influence got stronger and stronger in Italy and after the debacle in the Balkans I feel Italy was going to do as Germany instructed for the most part.

3. A Panzer Corps must contain a panzer division. This got thought up no doubt because some players were making a panzer corps full of infantry divisions and then having them plot 5 times (which is clearly wrong). I have no problem with this rule, but If I have a panzer corps with calvary divisions, tank battalions and any other assortment of mech divisions I should still be allowed to form a panzer corps without a Panzer division within it (and keep the 5 movement option). Also as long as I keep my movements within historical norms I should be able to make a Panzer corps with anything I want inside. This is a way to confuse and or hide your divisions from your opponent.

Are these things historically possible? Or am I way off?

SoleSurvivor · Post by **SoleSurvivor** » Wed Nov 21, 2001 11:51 am

sending Hungarians to the west would have been a bit strange.... until 1944 there was little need to do so and by 1944 the Hungarians had other problems than fighting the USA.

Italy: Italy's area of interest was the nmed and the Balkans. It's ok for them to care for these areas. But why should the weak Italian forces care about the west where there is no fighting at all? more importantly, after 1943 they would not have had any interest in fighting abroad, neither fascists nor republicans.

to me placing foreign division on this front just means "freeing" more valuable German divisions by exploiting the fact that the equation works with a number of units (koprs/bn) and not based on actual planes, troops, tanks and their strength characteristics.

Tom1939 · Post by **Tom1939** » Wed Nov 21, 2001 12:54 pm

I'm a hungarian and we had no problems with the western allies whatsoever until 44 germany occupied us... So hungarian troops on the western front would have zero effect. We might even help polish troops (paratroopers, commandos) to avoid german captivity as poland and hungary is traditionally very close (as far as the common people for sure, so the simple soliders would help polish get away highly likely). So hungarian troops would even harm west front efforts...

MagnusOlsson · Post by **MagnusOlsson** » Wed Nov 21, 2001 3:18 pm

Originally posted by Picohertz:
3. A Panzer Corps must contain a panzer division. This got thought up no doubt because some players were making a panzer corps full of infantry divisions and then having them plot 5 times (which is clearly wrong). I have no problem with this rule, but If I have a panzer corps with calvary divisions, tank battalions and any other assortment of mech divisions I should still be allowed to form a panzer corps without a Panzer division within it (and keep the 5 movement option). Also as long as I keep my movements within historical norms I should be able to make a Panzer corps with anything I want inside. This is a way to confuse and or hide your divisions from your opponent.

Are these things historically possible? Or am I way off?

If you look at the actual distances the german infantry covered in june/july 1941, 5 hexes a week for infantry isn't that far out. On the contrary, they repeatedly covered that kind of distances. Last known reference to this that I've seen is in the book 900 days (the siege of leningrad).

/Magnus

Ed Cogburn · Post by **Ed Cogburn** » Wed Nov 21, 2001 5:09 pm

Originally posted by MagnusOlsson:

If you look at the actual distances the german infantry covered in june/july 1941, 5 hexes a week for infantry isn't that far out. On the contrary, they repeatedly covered that kind of distances. Last known reference to this that I've seen is in the book 900 days (the siege of leningrad).

Keep in mind that this movement would be the equivalent of WiR's "March Movement". Once on the front line with the enemy nearby, combat movement would be much slower, the equivalent of "Plot Movement".