Hello,
There are various types of bombers in WIR (bombers, fighter-bombers, dive-bombers, etc). Which type is the best for attacking enemy airfields. For example is it better to attack with He-177s (bombers) or with Ju-87s (dive-bomber). Is the choice really important, or is it simply the number of aircraft that is important?
Similarly, which type of bomber is the best for supporting ground units?
Will some experienced WIR-lover share their knowledge concerning aircraft with me, please?
take care
m
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Hello again
One more question: the manual says you can use planes flying interdicion missions to destroy enemy bridges. Yet when I select interdiction mission in the HQ menu and try to select a bridge as the target, the game says "Not Allowed". (????)
How can you destroy a bridge?
m200
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One more question: the manual says you can use planes flying interdicion missions to destroy enemy bridges. Yet when I select interdiction mission in the HQ menu and try to select a bridge as the target, the game says "Not Allowed". (????)
How can you destroy a bridge?
m200
[ December 08, 2001: Message edited by: m200 ]</p>
You can't. Like a number of other things in the manual, either it is just wrong, or at least slightly incorrect. The game has never allowed bridges to be bombed although it was put in the manual from the beginning. Arnaud says it would be very difficult to add this in, which is probably why it never got done in the first place.
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Originally posted by m200:
Hello,
There are various types of bombers in WIR (bombers, fighter-bombers, dive-bombers, etc). Which type is the best for attacking enemy airfields. For example is it better to attack with He-177s (bombers) or with Ju-87s (dive-bomber). Is the choice really important, or is it simply the number of aircraft that is important?
Similarly, which type of bomber is the best for supporting ground units?
Will some experienced WIR-lover share their knowledge concerning aircraft with me, please?
take care
m
Hi M200
I think air units with high cannon rating do well against armour in interdiction attacks.
What is best against airfields? I'd have to experiment with that one but ive found that one or 2 interdictions on ground units that are supported by a specific HQ weakens the fighter cover so an airbase attack after the interdictions(on that HQ) will encounter less fighter cover and there will be more damaged planes on the ground to destroy.
(this in regards to a splatt the enemy airforce strategy)
Nick
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Hi M200
In interdiction missions against tank units, cannon rating it's important. I have some data obtained in several tests with editwir. In each test one full strength air unit (204 aircraft, 99% experience) performs one interdiction mission against one full strength tank battalion (204 T34-A, 99 % experience, 99% readiness). In the table below, the aircraft type, the cannon rating and the number of tanks destroyed/100 planes participating in the interdiction mission are shown
Aircraft C. R. Tank Destroyed/100 planes
Ju88A 0 6
Stuka 2 17
Bf 110 E/F 8 28
Me 410 8 52
Stuka Pz-Jg 12 60
Hs129 15 74
Fw 190F 18 43
Me262A 20 55
You can see that the aircraft type is important although the relationship between the cannon rating and the number of tank destroyed is not linear. Other factors like the type of aircraft(dive-bomber, fighter-bomber or tank-destroyer) may be also important.
In interdiction missions against tank units, cannon rating it's important. I have some data obtained in several tests with editwir. In each test one full strength air unit (204 aircraft, 99% experience) performs one interdiction mission against one full strength tank battalion (204 T34-A, 99 % experience, 99% readiness). In the table below, the aircraft type, the cannon rating and the number of tanks destroyed/100 planes participating in the interdiction mission are shown
Aircraft C. R. Tank Destroyed/100 planes
Ju88A 0 6
Stuka 2 17
Bf 110 E/F 8 28
Me 410 8 52
Stuka Pz-Jg 12 60
Hs129 15 74
Fw 190F 18 43
Me262A 20 55
You can see that the aircraft type is important although the relationship between the cannon rating and the number of tank destroyed is not linear. Other factors like the type of aircraft(dive-bomber, fighter-bomber or tank-destroyer) may be also important.
Interesting test and nice info, Jesus. Proved something which was felt, but never tested by myself.Originally posted by jesus:
Hi M200
Aircraft C. R. Tank Destroyed/100 planes
Ju88A 0 6
Stuka 2 17
Bf 110 E/F 8 28
Me 410 8 52
Stuka Pz-Jg 12 60
Hs129 15 74
Fw 190F 18 43
Me262A 20 55
Thanks
[ December 11, 2001: Message edited by: czerpak ]</p>
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Originally posted by m200:
Is cannon rating also important when you're attacking infantry units?
m200
To the best of my knowledge it's not. I believe it's pure bomb load which is counted. And the bomb load depends mainly on type of aircraft and experience.
Think first, fight afterwards, the soldier's art.
For Level Bomber :IIRC The distance to fly and the experience the bomber group has determine the amount of AT Bombs carried.
For Ground Attacker: Same as for Level Bomber and the cannonvalue is added directly. (no distance modification).
Tank-Hunter seems to get an artificial bonus. Only Gary knows or Arnaud ?
For Ground Attacker: Same as for Level Bomber and the cannonvalue is added directly. (no distance modification).
Tank-Hunter seems to get an artificial bonus. Only Gary knows or Arnaud ?
Harry,Originally posted by Harry:
For Level Bomber :IIRC The distance to fly and the experience the bomber group has determine the amount of AT Bombs carried.
For Ground Attacker: Same as for Level Bomber and the cannonvalue is added directly. (no distance modification).
Tank-Hunter seems to get an artificial bonus. Only Gary knows or Arnaud ?
you talking about infantry interdiction ?
Think first, fight afterwards, the soldier's art.
After reading tests made by Jesus I've decided to make my own tests with a bit more pure conditions.
Test was made in 1944. I used airgroup of 204 Tu-2 with 99 experience for my experiments. This plane has 10 cannon rating and 22 load rating.
I used editwir.exe to change ONLY type of this plane leaving its stats unchanged. Then I was doing interdiction missions during clear weather dirrected against strong panzer korps with 400+ tanks and a lot of other equipment and squads which had 0 entrenchment rating.
Here are results of my tests
Type fighter.
Target losses:
3020 men, 39 guns, 19 tanks
Type fighter-bomber.
Target losses:
3210 men, 34 guns, 48 tanks
Type dive-bomber.
Target losses:
3120 men, 34 guns, 49 tanks
Type tank-hunter
Target losses:
3580 men, 34 guns, 90 tanks
Type (level)bomber.
Target losses:
1960 men, 34 guns, 3(three) tanks
Test was made in 1944. I used airgroup of 204 Tu-2 with 99 experience for my experiments. This plane has 10 cannon rating and 22 load rating.
I used editwir.exe to change ONLY type of this plane leaving its stats unchanged. Then I was doing interdiction missions during clear weather dirrected against strong panzer korps with 400+ tanks and a lot of other equipment and squads which had 0 entrenchment rating.
Here are results of my tests
Type fighter.
Target losses:
3020 men, 39 guns, 19 tanks
Type fighter-bomber.
Target losses:
3210 men, 34 guns, 48 tanks
Type dive-bomber.
Target losses:
3120 men, 34 guns, 49 tanks
Type tank-hunter
Target losses:
3580 men, 34 guns, 90 tanks
Type (level)bomber.
Target losses:
1960 men, 34 guns, 3(three) tanks
Number of planes participating in mission was almost the same everytime(195 planes).Originally posted by jesus:
Nice test, Mist. Tank-hunters like to be the most efficient against both men and tanks. Level-bombers are less efficiet not only against tanks but also (surprisingly) against men. One question only: in your test, is the number of planes in each interdiction mission the same?
Jesus
Now about efficiency.
Yes, tank destroyers look like the best type. But it is true only if you have different types of planes with equal stats. In reality tank-destroyers have very low load value so they hit mostly tanks. Fighter type looks like the best after tank hunters because fighters can fly multiple missions per turn. But in reality fighters have very low load value and mostly low cannon rating. There is one exception with realatively high cannon rating - fighter FW-190A.