Mines

[Terminus]

Is it just me, or are mines underpowered? I just had a turn where a Japanese destroyer hit not one but THREE mines in the same minefield. Did it sink? Nooooo... [&:]

[hexgod]

I don't know because I haven't read the manual on this ubject yet, but they are pretty weak it seems. I was playing Japanese and one of my cruisers hiy MY OWN mines (type 93 i think) and it only caused 3 sys damage! lol! oh well, they seem to scare off the AI anyway...

[Bradley7735]

personally, I think mines are modeled pretty well. I love that they degrade over time. That was my biggest complaint about UV. You could get thousands of mines into some ports and make them almost invincible. I think the effect is pretty good too. (I haven't seen air launched mines in action, so I don't know if they work well or not)

3 mines should sink a dd, though. But, with FOW maybe only 1 or 2 hit. It is possible for a DD to survive two mine hits. A US DD survived two mine hits when invading Tacloban. It's also possible it did sink and you just haven't had confirmation yet.

[Halsey]

You can't trust the Allied replay. It consistantly reports false happenings.
The only way to be sure ILN ships are sunk is on the intelligence screen.

Your opponent should send all of his combat related files to you each turn.
This is so you can monitor the accuracy of your reports.

[wild_Willie2]

I have Seen DD's and Ak/Ap's sink after striking a single mine, it is a dice roll, and somethimes you get lucky............

[Terminus]

ORIGINAL: Halsey

You can't trust the Allied replay. It consistantly reports false happenings.
The only way to be sure ILN ships are sunk is on the intelligence screen.

I know. I was looking for it in the intel screen (it was the Hayashio), and it hasn't turned up yet. Oh well, it happened at Cam Ranh Bay (Dutch sub laid field), so it didn't have that far to limp into a friendly port...

[Marc]

ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

(I haven't seen air launched mines in action, so I don't know if they work well or not)

How can you air launch mines?? [&:] Seems I missed something.

[Bradley7735]

Level bombers can do it starting in 43, I think. I saw the option to use them when flying B-29's, but didn't try it out.

I don't ever use mines when I play vs the AI (it keeps the game a bit more competetive), so I haven't used them. I don't know if you need a big airfield, MLE, large port, or what to make them happen. Long ago I saw threads that said it wasn't working, but I also thought it was fixed in a prior patch.

[Terminus]

ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

I don't ever use mines when I play vs the AI (it keeps the game a bit more competetive), so I haven't used them. I don't know if you need a big airfield, MLE, large port, or what to make them happen. Long ago I saw threads that said it wasn't working, but I also thought it was fixed in a prior patch.

It's working fine for me, aside from the "Invulnerable Japanese Destroyer" incident [:)] You need either a size 9 or 10 port to load them onto your ships or subs, or an MLE.

As an aside, I'm having trouble getting my ML's to mine friendly harbours. I can send a fully loaded Mine Warfare TF to a DH port that's threatened by the enemy, and it just sits there, mocking me...

Any tips?

[Marc]

ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

Level bombers can do it starting in 43, I think. I saw the option to use them when flying B-29's, but didn't try it out.

I don't ever use mines when I play vs the AI (it keeps the game a bit more competetive), so I haven't used them. I don't know if you need a big airfield, MLE, large port, or what to make them happen. Long ago I saw threads that said it wasn't working, but I also thought it was fixed in a prior patch.

I just looked in the 45 campaign and couldn't find how the B-29 could lay mines. Are you sure? How does it work?

[Terminus]

ORIGINAL: Marc
I just looked in the 45 campaign and couldn't find how the B-29 could lay mines. Are you sure? How does it work?

It works like this: You select the City Attack mission for your bomber group, and on the Select Target screen, there's a button called "Mine Port". Then you select what port you want to mine. The whole group then lays mines; no attacks on anything else.

[freeboy]

Any

You need either a size 9 or 10 port to load them onto your ships or subs, or an MLE.

heavuy bomber.. I think it is base at supply level x2, airfield size six for 17 24, lib-6, and 7 for 29 to lay mines.. no need to be a port..

[Yamato hugger]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

As an aside, I'm having trouble getting my ML's to mine friendly harbours. I can send a fully loaded Mine Warfare TF to a DH port that's threatened by the enemy, and it just sits there, mocking me...

Any tips?

Are they under friendly air cover? Perhaps they dont like going into enemy controlled airspace?

[freeboy]

ok, check that the ships have mines, sounds silly but I have done this .. oops!
If mining the same port.. sometimes you have to leave the hex for one tur n then return. settingto do tot retire.. good luck

[tsimmonds]

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

ORIGINAL: Terminus

As an aside, I'm having trouble getting my ML's to mine friendly harbours. I can send a fully loaded Mine Warfare TF to a DH port that's threatened by the enemy, and it just sits there, mocking me...

Any tips?

Are they under friendly air cover? Perhaps they dont like going into enemy controlled airspace?

ML will not mine their own home port. Here is how to mine a friendly port:

1) check your MLs individually to make sure they have mines. Red "0s" do nothing.
2) set "retirement allowed"
3) select a home port other than the port you want to lay mines in
4) select as your DH the hex you wish to mine

Yes, it's nit-picky. Do you have to do it just so? Noo, of course not. Only if you want it to work.[;)]

edit: oops, had the wrong switch set. Use "retirement allowed."

[freeboy]

are you sure you cannot move one hex, on do not retire.. then return as the destination hex to home port?

[tsimmonds]

You caught me. ML will not lay mines set on "do not retire". Must use "retirement allowed"

You can do whatever fancy footwork you like, as long as the home port is not the DH

[rogueusmc]

Example:

In Hawaii, PH is the only port big enough to load mines. If I wanna mine PH, I will replenish TF there. The Home Port and Destination should both be PH. Now, undock under retirement allowed and set Lahaina as the Home port. The TF will mine PH and start moving to Lahaina. Turn the TF around the next turn and you have a two turn turn around on mining the port the TF is sitting in.

[tsimmonds]

exactly

[freeboy]

this game will never win any awards for its interface.. but love it we do for all its flaws.. did I tell you guys that I hate trying to hit atols that pbem oponents put 1000plus mines at? AAAUUURGH!