WIR - questions

m200 · Post by **m200** » Sat Dec 15, 2001 4:41 pm

Hello

In battle reports, the game tells you what equipment was destroyed. The game uses an abbreviation "AFV". Does anyone know what "AFV" signifies?

m200

11Bravo · Post by **11Bravo** » Sun Dec 16, 2001 2:51 am

Armored Fighting Vehicles probably, meaning tanks, tank destroyers, and armored cars.

Lokioftheaesir · Post by **Lokioftheaesir** » Sun Dec 16, 2001 3:39 am

Originally posted by 11Bravo:
Armored Fighting Vehicles probably, meaning tanks, tank destroyers, and armored cars.

11bravo

Yes, that is the exact meaning.

Loki

m200 · Post by **m200** » Sun Dec 16, 2001 5:56 am

Hello again

1. Is Flak equipment used only against air units? Or maybe it is also used against vehicles, together with anti-tank guns?

2. I want a corps to attack a enemy unit, and I plot "6s9" - I attack in one direction (6) but it's a static attack and I don't really want to move in that direction (s). Then I attack in another direction (9). The question is this: given the order "6s9", in which pulse is the 9-attack executed: 2nd or 3rd? This is important if you want to coordinate attacks.

m200

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Lokioftheaesir · Post by **Lokioftheaesir** » Sun Dec 16, 2001 6:21 pm

Originally posted by m200:
Hello again

1. Is Flak equipment used only against air units? Or maybe it is also used against vehicles, together with anti-tank guns?

2. I want a corps to attack a enemy unit, and I plot "6s9" - I attack in one direction (6) but it's a static attack and I don't really want to move in that direction (s). Then I attack in another direction (9). The question is this: given the order "6s9", in which pulse is the 9-attack executed: 2nd or 3rd? This is important if you want to coordinate attacks.

m200
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m200

It will be executed in the third pulse. Any order in a pulse slot uses that pulse up.
So for example a PZ Kp with orders 03s06 attacks in direction 6 on the 5th pulse.

Nick

PS. I think flak is only used against air.There was some debate over this and the 88mm flak18 DP gun (and others)

Greg J · Post by **Greg J** » Mon Dec 17, 2001 10:45 am

Tah Loki, you confirmed something that I had begun to suspect. S and B take up a pulse. Which must be taken into account when coordinating attacks.

If a unit is already attacking, and another unit arrives and starts attacking, will they do their attacks separately or jointly.

Lokioftheaesir · Post by **Lokioftheaesir** » Mon Dec 17, 2001 5:09 pm

Originally posted by Greg J:
Tah Loki, you confirmed something that I had begun to suspect. S and B take up a pulse. Which must be taken into account when coordinating attacks.

If a unit is already attacking, and another unit arrives and starts attacking, will they do their attacks separately or jointly.

Greg J

Thats a slightly tricky one but lets say..

PzKp A is next to a sov unit(one hex away) and has plot 3s3s (3 being the direction to attack the sov unit)
and PzKp B that is 3 hexes away from the sov unit has plot 666s (the first 2 '6' pulses put it next to the sov unit and the 3rd '6' attacks the hex)

The combat should go.
The soviet unit is attacked on pulse 1 by PzKp A (say it holds firm in defence) and then is attacked on pulse 3 by both PzKp A and B (who both have 's' plots for pulse 4 and do not advance if the soviet unit retreats.

Is that what you meant?

Nick

RickyB · Post by **RickyB** » Mon Dec 17, 2001 8:50 pm

Originally posted by Lokioftheaesir:
Greg J

Thats a slightly tricky one but lets say..

PzKp A is next to a sov unit(one hex away) and has plot 3s3s (3 being the direction to attack the sov unit)
and PzKp B that is 3 hexes away from the sov unit has plot 666s (the first 2 '6' pulses put it next to the sov unit and the 3rd '6' attacks the hex)

The combat should go.
The soviet unit is attacked on pulse 1 by PzKp A (say it holds firm in defence) and then is attacked on pulse 3 by both PzKp A and B (who both have 's' plots for pulse 4 and do not advance if the soviet unit retreats.

Is that what you meant?

Nick

One thing on this example. Normally there is no continuation of plots after 1 fails to be executed correctly. As a result, I believe that if a non-bombardment attack, even static, fails to force a retreat by the defender, the unit will not carry out any further plots. At least usually if I plot a static attack with a normal attack, the static attack unit will not carry out further plots if the first attack does not throw the defender back. An exception to this is in hexes north of Leningrad (I am not sure of the exact row) and swamps, where defenders don't normally retreat unless their CV is reduced below a certain point. Here the attacker that "wins" but the defender gets to stay in place will continue attacking for quite a few turns, potentially.

Ed Cogburn · Post by **Ed Cogburn** » Mon Dec 17, 2001 10:36 pm

Originally posted by Greg J:
Tah Loki, you confirmed something that I had begun to suspect. S and B take up a pulse. Which must be taken into account when coordinating attacks.

If a unit is already attacking, and another unit arrives and starts attacking, will they do their attacks separately or jointly.

Jointly, except for Soviets early in '41 who have coordination problems.

Lokioftheaesir · Post by **Lokioftheaesir** » Tue Dec 18, 2001 6:47 am

Originally posted by RickyB:

One thing on this example. Normally there is no continuation of plots after 1 fails to be executed correctly. As a result, I believe that if a non-bombardment attack, even static, fails to force a retreat by the defender, the unit will not carry out any further plots............

Ricky

DoH!

Your right on that one. The example is not the sort of sequence i would ever use, the PzKp A plot was an attempt at 'a unit already engaged'.
I forgot about the failure of the 1st static attack business.

Nick

Greg J · Post by **Greg J** » Wed Dec 19, 2001 8:45 am

What if we change Loki's example to the following,

PzKp A plots 3b3s (it is adjacent to an enemy unit)
PzKp B plots 606 (it is one hex away from being adjacent.

Will a coordinated attack take place in the third pulse? Or should PzKp B wait an extra pulse and attack in the fourth pulse?

RickyB · Post by **RickyB** » Wed Dec 19, 2001 10:42 am

Originally posted by Greg J:
What if we change Loki's example to the following,

PzKp A plots 3b3s (it is adjacent to an enemy unit)
PzKp B plots 606 (it is one hex away from being adjacent.

Will a coordinated attack take place in the third pulse? Or should PzKp B wait an extra pulse and attack in the fourth pulse?

The way you wrote it is correct, and both units will attack together, unless one of the other restrictions on carrying out attacks happens. For example, there is the Soviet "problem" carrying out orders in most of 1941, that leads to random errors in carrying out orders - they can be delayed, or skipped for 1 plot and then the next is carried out, or maybe even go in the wrong direction I think. Also, if you run out of ops points in the HQs involved before the end of the plots they may or will not carry out the plots at all.

The plots are carried out in the phase where the numbers are located rather than in the letter modifier for static or bombard attacks.

m200 · Post by **m200** » Sun Dec 30, 2001 9:33 pm

Hello again

Here's another question:
When the computer calculates the strength of the Western and Italian fronts, does the experience of the german divisions, batallions and air units that are there matter in these calculations?

m200

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