WitP going global?

[Cheesehead]

I don't read this forum very often, but on the WiF forum someone hinted at a global version of WitP. Are there plans for expanding to a global WWII game?

[LittleJoe]

The whole world....

With 60 mile hexes?

Imagine the German turn for the Invasion of France and even worse Operation Barbarossa [X(].

I wouldnt mind having a European version of WITP, but the Ground combat would need a major overhaul, and well, im having more than enough fun with WITP.

[pasternakski]

ORIGINAL: Cheesehead

I don't read this forum very often, but on the WiF forum someone hinted at a global version of WitP. Are there plans for expanding to a global WWII game?

This game system is deader than a doornail. With all the problems WitP presented (some apparently insoluble), a proposed game on the Mediterranean campaign in WWII was sh1tcanned, then the announcement was made that, from now on, 2by3 will be exploring other territory, with their "flagship" system being the engine behind GGWaW.

I can't say I'm disappointed any more. I have faced the reality of the situation. I have already tossed UV, and after I get my fill of the current round of PBEM games I have going in WitP, I will likely not be playing it again, either. Too much is wrong, left to accident, and just plain outside the bounds of what I expect from a simulation of war in this theater.

Unless and until someone comes up with a better game, I'll be going back to the cardboard-and-paper games, both the oldies-but-goodies and some exciting new titles by Decision Games and some others.

[Halsey]

What? Go back to CRT's, stacking limits and written combat restrictions, and dice?[:D]

That's ancient history! Computer wargaming has gone "The Age Of Empires" route. Unlimited stacking of every unit available. Undocumented features. Being told you're a butt weasel for using AK's in amph ops, (which is why the IJN can mount Normandy invasions for a year or more, thus allowing impossible operations with relative ease).
If you're not suppose to use them that way, then why did the designers allow it?

Aside from these anomalies WITP is a great game! It's just not historical.[;)]

By the way. Where are my chariots?[;)]

[pasternakski]

ORIGINAL: Halsey
Aside from these anomalies WITP is a great game!

Yeah. Great.

[tabpub]

ORIGINAL: pasternakski

ORIGINAL: Halsey
Aside from these anomalies WITP is a great game!

Yeah. Great.

Obviously, he was an......

[Stvitus2002]

Being told you're a butt weasel for using AK's in amph ops, (which is why the IJN can mount Normandy invasions for a year or more, thus allowing impossible operations with relative ease).
If you're not suppose to use them that way, then why did the designers allow it?

Aside from these anomalies WITP is a great game! It's just not historical.

By the way. Where are my chariots?

...BWAHAHAHAHA[:D] what is the arrival date for the chariots? I plan on using those, along with
catapults & boiling oil when i assault Japan. All of these will come ashore from AK's, of course[:'(]










Joe D.

[m10bob]

ORIGINAL: pasternakski

Ahhh, yes...Those inscrutable Japanese.................

[benway9]

i never realized that using AK's in invasion fleets was such a big deal. have i had my head buried in the sand for a year or something?

[pasternakski]

ORIGINAL: m10bob
Ahhh, yes...Those inscrutable Japanese.................

If they were inscrutable, there wouldn't be so many of them, would there?

[IS2m]

Don't you mean 'unscrewable" ?

[:)]



(In response to Pasternakski)

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: pasternakski

Unless and until someone comes up with a better game, I'll be going back to the cardboard-and-paper games, both the oldies-but-goodies and some exciting new titles by Decision Games and some others.
[/quote]

Yes, at times I like to wax poetic about the great board games that I have played over the last 35 years. They all seem bigger than life to me now.

Then I remember the utter nightmare of coming into the game room only to discover that the fu*king cat had gotten in and slept on the table again!There is no going back. [;)]

[tsimmonds]

Two words: Charts and Tables[:(][:@]

[pasternakski]

ORIGINAL: IS2m

Don't you mean 'unscrewable" ?

[:)]



(In response to Pasternakski)

Thanks for explaining the point of my joke to me.

[pasternakski]

ORIGINAL: crsutton
Yes, at times I like to wax poetic about the great board games that I have played over the last 35 years. They all seem bigger than life to me now.

Then I remember the utter nightmare of coming into the game room only to discover that the fu*king cat had gotten in and slept on the table again!There is no going back. [;)]

There are 14 of us idiots here where I live who formed a wargaming club about eight years ago. We have several computers (not including the ones we have at home) and a large collection of boardgames we play and continue to buy titles for all the time. Our annual budget for new purchases is now $1,500 (we exert a kind of communal ownership over, and responsibility for, what the club has bought).

Computer wargames had their heyday with us, and we thought UV and its progeny were going to be just what we wanted. We were disappointed. As we learn more about what has been published in recent times (including UV, WitP, and other Matrix products, I'm afraid), we have discovered the paltry efforts that have been made in decent historical simulation and the huge limitations imposed by a designer community that has made no breakthroughs of any kind that would improve the quality of their wargaming products.

We see computer wargaming as it currently presents itself to us as a dead end. We have come to appreciate the quality of boardgames and to understand that the real advances in our hobby are being made by publishers like GMT, Decision Games, Avalanche Press, and a few others.

There are a lot of exciting paper-and-cardboard titles, both new and old, that command most of our attention these days. We try to play stuff like WitP, but come away disappointed every time.

Our attitude: show us something worth buying and playing, and we will buy it and play it. We have no built-in prejudices for or against computer wargames, but we feel like, as consumers, we are where the rubber meets the road. If you can't give us something better than a Firestone Self-Destructo Tire, go away. We've got plenty of good stuff to enjoy, and we will continue to support boardgame publishers who are doing it and doing it right.

I have been authorized by unanimous vote of our club to make this statement.

[Terminus]

Can't we all just get along?

If people want to play board wargames and are really into it, then more power to them. I could personally never get into the boardgaming, but that had more to do with problems finding opponents.

I do not, however, accept that people who like WitP for what it is (and say so), should be ridiculed, or have hammered into their skulls 651 times what a bad game WitP is. Of course the game has flaws, lots of them in fact; I spent a lot of time in the past couple of turns in my scenario 15 game against the Japanese AI taking care of disappearing Allied ship captains and wondering when the TF's fleeing the DEI to Darwin would unstick from the waters around Timor and actually arrive at their destination.

It's still a good game, and the elitists need to take a pill and realize that they aren't alone around here!

Oh, and Pasternaksi? "Communal Ownership"? Sounds suspiciously pinko-commie! You guys have a five-year plan too?

[rhondabrwn]

If some people didn't get to spend hours and hours in these forums telling us all how bad the Matrix games are (and how ignorant we are not to see it too) they wouldn't have a fraction of their total postings [:'(]

Now, if I was still into board gaming so much, I guess I would spend my time gaming and not on here griping about how computer games are so horrible. Oh yea, and I guess I'd have to get rid of my cat. [:D]

[Terminus]

We should probably run away now, before HIS IMPERIAL MAJESTY Pasternaksi hears us...[:D]

[rhondabrwn]

Good advice! I've seen him when he gets a bit riled up [:D]

As for me, I just got done patching all of the WiTP map segments together into a single giant reference map. I intend to print it out as a wall map on the HP Plotter at work later this week. The jpeg version is about an 80 meg file.

I had been looking for a large reference map and didn't realize how easy it would be to assemble the pieces in the WiTP graphics folder into the map I needed. Now I can track my favorite AAR's more easily and even drop in a layer in Photoshop and draw in unit positions.

Happy Memorial Day!

[Blackwatch_it]

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

If some people didn't get to spend hours and hours in these forums telling us all how bad the Matrix games are (and how ignorant we are not to see it too) they wouldn't have a fraction of their total postings [:'(]

Now, if I was still into board gaming so much, I guess I would spend my time gaming and not on here griping about how computer games are so horrible. Oh yea, and I guess I'd have to get rid of my cat. [:D]

Cats are the most unhistorical feature of boardgames, I learned it since War in Europe times[:-]