Marine leaders more aggresive than army ones

[mogami]

Hi, Yes but the soldiers stomach should weigh less then his pack

[m10bob]

ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, Yes but the soldiers stomach should weigh less then his pack

Young soldiers and old soldiers are still soldiers,it's just that the young soldiers wear their packs on their backs.

[Twotribes]

Panama was an example of difference in training, the Army would surround buildings if a sniper fired from it and then level it with artillery if it didnt stop. The Marines would assault and neutralize the sniper.

And Iraq I is an example of what the marine reputation is worth in Combat. Saddam Hussein kept numerous Divisions facing the sea because Marines were out there, they didnt even move when the burm was breached, they stayed ready cause they KNEW the Marines were gonna land.

Also in Desert Shield, the first Army units to arrive in Saudia Arabia couldnt support themselves, they had no ammo and no supplies, the Marines arrived with 30 days supply and ammo and were feeding and suppling the Army till it got its logistics in place.

[Halsey]

The reason the Army can't support itself is because of it's downsizing.
They could only have so many troops. So they opted to keep combat soldiers.
Most of the support requirements went to the Reseve and NG units.
That's why Reserves and NG are constantly being called up in any circumstance.

In the old days, these units would only be called upon for a major conflict.
Nowadays the Army can't support itself without these guys.[;)]

This was the main reason I got out of the Reseves in '98'.
My unit was ready to deploy to Bosnia for the third time!
Screw that! I put my time in already.[;)]

[Ddog]

I have a friend at work that has a son currently serving in the Marines. 2/2 Easy Company. He was in Fallujah and the other hot spots a while back. He has some intresting stories.....one I think sums up this thread. They were on patrol and he overheard a reporter asking a Iraqi man if he liked the Marines or Army better. The man replied "I like Army, Marines boom boom boom all time shooting."

BTW the kid has to go back to Iraq later this month.

[Halsey]

Wish him luck, and tell him to keep his head down.[:D]

[Dumgrunt]

The Marine Corps is a cult

I went to a supervisors school recently and each student had to identify a great leader that had influenced thier leadership style and why.

The class was diverse, four of us were jarhead veterens. There were a few veterans of other services as well.

The other students identified politicians, generals, sports heros and a variety of other people they had read about or studied. But no one actually knew the person they named.

Us four Marines, each identified a Marine Officer by name that we had directly served under and been mentored by. For abilities we had observed with our own eyes. We were the only ones that did this. We all did, without collusion.


That is the greatness of Marine Leadership.

[rogueusmc]

If I were to name Marines that had a big influence on me, they would be senior enlisted...I knew a few good officers but none of them made the impression on me like the gunnies and first shirts.

[Graycompany]

I would have to agree with rogue, although I did have a Captain that was a mustang that I would have to say was a fine commander.

[Halsey]

It's always the NCO's who get the job done.[;)]

[mogami]

Hi, CWO4 Leslie King was my hero. I got into a bit of trouble at Lejeune and had Captains mast. I was sitting in front of the CO's office when Gunner King went in.
When he came out he told me to follow him. I had been transfered.
I learned later he had went to the CO looking for another body and been told there were none to spare. He asked about me and was told "You don't want him, he is a sh# bird"
But he took me anyway.
After I had been working for him for about six months he told me "I heard you were a SB but your doing fine stay squared away"
Then I was sent to Ft Still and finshed fisrt in class. He had me promoted. A year later I made Sgt. I had enlisted at 17 and was a Sgt before my 21st birthday.
Gunner King wanted me to go up for Warrent after I made Staff Sgt but he was found to have cancer. (smoked for 33 years and 4 years after he quit found he had cancer in his stomach) He retired and passed away less then 2 years later. He had done more then 30 years in Corps.

[rogueusmc]

There was a Staff Sargeant Platt when I was in arty. He was they new ammo chief. I had been acting ammo chief since Sgt Martinez left. SSgt Platt came in...I didn't know he was with the unit for two weeks (that's irritating). It wasn't until I had to order CS tabs for training that I learned it had already been done. It pissed me off.

Other things happened and short story is that me and him were in a pissing contest for the first 6 months or so. We didn't agree on anything. One day, we sat down and talked for a long while. We were cool after that. He saw where I was coming from and I saw his side. We still didn't agree on much but he is one of the two Marines that I respect the most from my time in the Corps.

[m10bob]

Okay,here's a curve ball.
We can all swap yarns,and we know it goes with the territory.We still respect each other as vets.
It's been my experience in civvy life that as soon as some sonovabitch finds out I'm a veteran,he goes out of his way to either prove he's a macho man,or that he has power over me,endowed by the planet Krypton,or whatever..
They also seem to have the same tired speech memorized:"I wanted to go,but I had a
1.Bad back
2.Bad feet
3.Bad acne
4.Bad acting coach
5.Bad halitosis
6(Lament of your choice).
I know there are some people that don't want to serve,and there are some who wanted to but really could not..I understand that.But *WHY* do they take their guilt out on the veterans??.Why do they feel compelled to tell us why they were "not there"????
I really don't give a damn why they were not there..
The speech from Shakespeares' "Henry Vth" really does say it all for me, and I admit I do have some lack of patience when non-vets seemingly take their personal problems out on vets..
I wish I could say I feel better now,having said this,but it won't change anything,and will likely just kill the thread.....
Vets,there is nothing I would not do for you.
Civilians,There is nothing I was not prepared to give for you......

[rogueusmc]

amen (old hebrew word meaning: so be it...or let it be so...seemed oddly fitting )

[Halsey]

I've only run in to that circumstance with rednecks. You know the ones I mean. The ones that didn't have the balls to go themselves.[;)]

When they started the "don't ask, don't tell" policy it got really bad.
All I could say to those guys was that fags didn't want to be in the units that I was in.
They would've been lynched.

My current workplace is about 75% vets.
War stories at every lunch break.[:D]