Eagle and Furious

[Alikchi2]

I've been trying to find the stats of the Eagle and Furious (I plan to include them in a scenario) but have failed for the most part. I especially can't find any data on their respective armour values and AAA armaments on 12/41.. anybody have any sources?

Thanks in advance. [8D]

[Don Bowen]

http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Ships ... index.html

[YankeeAirRat]

You can try here at www.hazegray.org.
Though some of thier information can be contridictory it is a place to start. Under the heading Naval History it leads to different classes of ships and then there a listing for various countries that have operated those classes of ships.

Another source is the book Aircraft Carriers of the World, 1914 to the Present: An Illustrated Encyclopedia
by Roger Chesneau. It should be at your local library or you can order it online from amazon.com They have a listing of all the American and British carriers up to 1982 and most the major changes that occured to them over thier life span.

[Alikchi2]

Thanks Don - that's the site I've been using! A lot of useful stuff there, but the armor values aren't listed, and I'm uncertain about the armament - I'm wondering if it's the original armament (upon CV conversion), the armament at the beginning of WW2, or later. I will probably use it anyways if nothing else presents itself.

YAR: I think I'll go by the library and check out that book. It sounds like what I need. [:)]
The link sounds good, as well. Will definitely take a look...

Thanks to you both for the quick response.

[Don Bowen]

OK, I'll stop being lazy and look it up.

Here is the source, if you happen to have extra money falling out of your pockets: British Warships of WWII

This is all I got.

Eagle:

Refitted just before the outbreak of the war (in Europe).

9 6in (9 x 1)
4 4in (4 x 1)
8 2pdr (1 x 8)
16 50cal (4 x 4)
21 A/C
32 Yarrow boilers, SHP 50,000 = 24 knots (23.5 full load)
Oil Fuel 3775 tons (3790 nm at 19 kt)
Petrol 14,790 gallons

Main Belt 4.5in closed by bulkehads 4in
upper belt 1 in
Flight deck over hanger 1"
Upper deck (fwd and Amidships) 1.5 in
Main deck (aft) 1.5 in
Middle deck .5in flat - 1in slopes aft, 4in flat over steering gear
lower deck 2in forward
Longitudinal bulkheads 1.5-2in (fwd), 1.5 (mid) 1.5-2in (Aft) closed by 2in bulkheads
Gunshields 3in face, 1.5in sides
Externally bulged.


Wartime:
Another octuple 2pdr added, then both removed and replaced with 12 single 20mm
AW 290 and AR 285 Radar added
Bunker capacity reduced to 2810 tons (= 2780 nm at 17.5 kt)
Petrol capacity increased to 17,760 gallons




Furious:

Major refit 1938/39

12 4in (6 x 2) = 1 fwd, 2 on each side, 1 aft
24 2pdr (3 x 8) = 2 fwd and 1 aft of the funnel
33 A/C
18 Yarrow boilers, SHP 90,000 = 29.5 kts
Oil Fuel 3950 tons (5610 nm at 16kts)
Main belt 3in closed by bulkheads 3in
Fwd end 2in closed by bulkheads 2in
Foc'scle deck 1in amidships
upper deck 1in
main deck 1.75 fwd, 1/4in (flat) to 1in (slope) over machinery, 1.75 aft
lower deck 1in fwd, 1-1.5 in aft, 3in (flat) to 2in (slope) over steering gear aft
Longitudinal bulkheads 1.5 in amidships, 1in fwd/aft, closed by bulkheads 1in
Externally buldged

Wartime changes:
another octuple 2pdr added forward of the island
22 single 20mm along flight deck edges
SW 271, AW 286 and 2x AR 285 radar added
external bulge deepened.

[Alikchi2]

That's perfect! Thanks again, Don.

I just may have to buy that book - at least I'll be pestering you less.. [:'(]

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Alikchi

That's perfect! Thanks again, Don.

I just may have to buy that book - at least I'll be pestering you less.. [:'(]

WHOOPS - that link is to the OLD copy of the book. You want the new one if you can find it.

Published US Naval Institute 1998, ISBN 1-85367-277-1


GULP: The new one!


Here's the armour data from the OLD book:

Eagle: Main Belt 4-6-7in, deck 1-1.25-4in, Shields 1 in

Furious: Main belt 2in(Fwd), 3in (Amid), deck 1-1.5-3 in

Quite a difference in data!

I purchased the NEW book for about the current price of the OLD book ($100) and the OLD book a long time ago for something in the $10-12 range. They must be getting rare!

[Alikchi2]

That's amazingly expensive. [X(] Maybe in a few years, when I have $400 just sitting around with nothing to do... lol. They definitely must be getting rare!

I have Eagle and Furious in-game now (sans icons). Yay!

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Alikchi

That's amazingly expensive. [X(] Maybe in a few years, when I have $400 just sitting around with nothing to do... lol. They definitely must be getting rare!

I have Eagle and Furious in-game now (sans icons). Yay!

sans icons??? Give Cobra or Tanker a jingle, maybe one of them can icon-you-up.

[Alikchi2]

sans icons??? Give Cobra or Tanker a jingle, maybe one of them can icon-you-up.

I think I may do that. [:)] My attempts have been pretty terrible.

[akdreemer]

ORIGINAL: Alikchi

That's amazingly expensive. [X(] Maybe in a few years, when I have $400 just sitting around with nothing to do... lol. They definitely must be getting rare!

I have Eagle and Furious in-game now (sans icons). Yay!

Fortunately there are two copies in the library system here in Anchorage. Would hate to have to buy it. Ditto for British Cruisers of WWII by dame authors.

[The Dude]

what scenario is this planned to be?

Wasnt the Furious made into worm bait over 18months before WW2 started

[Alikchi2]

Nope, Furious lasted through the war and was scrapped by 1954. [:)] Eagle was sunk in the Med by a U-boat on 11 August, 1942.

The scenario is going to be one based off the idea that the British have kicked the Italians out of North Africa in '40 and sunk the Regia Marina, which forces Mussolini to resign and the Italians to an armistice. This allows Churchill to send significant reinforcements to Malaya and Singapore... Eagle, Furious, Ark Royal, Barham, Valiant and others are present at Singapore, and the ground troops have been reinforced significantly and complacency has been mostly eliminated (thanks to their new commander, Slim.)

The other major change is to the Japanese, who have essentially a completely different fleet, based on the idea that an influential Japanese Navy Minister takes office in 1930 and from then forwards guides doctrine and ship design away from the "decisive battle" idea. No Zeroes with rayguns or super-Yamatos or anything. I've tried to keep it believeable, new ships have been swapped for real ones, not plucked out of thin air.

I've also thrown in the proposed Dutch 1914 BCs for good measure, and the Eendracht CLs that were under construction in 1940. [8D]

The Allies are basically done - I just need pics for Furious and Eagle, and then it's on to the Japanese fleet, which is the biggest task. Then I just need to test and balance it for a while.

[33Vyper]

sounds interesting...I like variants and what if's....are you going to get Spooky to host it?

[Alikchi2]

I hope so - I don't have any webspace myself. Probably Spooky will. [:)]

The whole scenario is basically those three "what ifs" thrown together in (I think) the most fun way possible. Should be very interesting. [:)]

Captain Cruft and I plan to play a test AAR of the game when a "1.0" version is close to finished.

[CobraAus]

sans icons??? Give Cobra or Tanker a jingle, maybe one of them can icon-you-up.

Alikchi is this what you are after

Cobra Aus

[Tankerace]

That's pretty good Cobra. There are some scaling issues though, Eagle was 667ft long whereas Furious was 786 o/a. Kinda have them backwards a little bit.

Still, my Furious icon is some 20 years too old for WitP [:D]

[Alikchi2]

Thanks again much Cobra, those are perfect.

Scaling issues or not, I'm no artist, so I'll take what I can get. [;)]

[Alikchi2]

Thanks again to Don and Cobra. [:)]

[doktorblood]

Wasn't Furious AA set up 6 twin 4" Mk XVI? ... 2 on each side, 1 on quarterdeck and 1 forward