Now that Origins has concluded...

[Sonny]

There was talk awhile back from Frag, something vague about the WitP code after Origins. There were questions/guesses as to whether it would be given to the public as open source or someone other than 2BY3 would have custody of the code etc. Frag was rather secretive about it and all we could get out of him was something about "after Origins".

So I was wondering what the status of WitP is at the moment? Matrix? 2BY3? Frag?[&:]

[Speedysteve]

Frag secretive?!? Nooo no you must have the wrong person [;)]

[Mr.Frag]

Busy ... quit with the rumors until I start them [:'(]

[Speedysteve]

See? [:D]

[Mike Wood]

Hello...

No code in forseeable future.

Bye...

Michael Wood

ORIGINAL: Sonny
...So I was wondering what the status of WitP is at the moment? Matrix? 2BY3? Frag?[&:]

[Speedysteve]

Frag = secretive

Mike = clear as Prince Charles's extra-marital relationships

[;)]

[Terminus]

Well, if they pause on the endless code fixes for WitP, perhaps that means they'll FINALLY get to releasing WPO. Wouldn't that be nice?

[Sonny]

ORIGINAL: Mike Wood

Hello...

No code in forseeable future.

Bye...

Michael Wood

ORIGINAL: Sonny
...So I was wondering what the status of WitP is at the moment? Matrix? 2BY3? Frag?[&:]

Oh well.[:(]

But thanks for the answer Mike.[&o]

[Joel Billings]

I had a discussion with David Heath at Origins (and I think Erik was in on it) about WitP code. The decision was made to keep the code in house for a while longer. For now, Mike is working on WPO and on fixing some WitP bugs. At some point in the future (and I can't say if that's later this year or a year from now), we expect to open it up to a select group of programmers who sign up to work on it. We would not plan on just giving out the code to the world, at least not at that time. We have our doubts about the ability of volunteers to significantly improve the game without causing even more bugs, but we expect to be willing to try it out down the road. We certainly can't give up the revenue that we continue to make on WitP. Based on current sales trends, I'd say we have sold somewhere between 40-70% of what we will eventually sell, so you can see there is still a lot of sales that we expect (and need) from WitP. Opening the source could jeopardize this revenue. Down the road, it is very possible the code will be opened up for all to access, but that'll have to come later.

Just to indicate the ongoing sales potential of WitP, we sold about 15 at Origins. Considering the game was a year old, this is a very high number. SSI games rarely sold more than a few copies at a convention if they had been out for more than a few months.

[Brausepaul]

Thanks for the clarification, Joel. Good to hear that WitP is still selling.

[Terminus]

I'll second that. The more you guys sell, the better for us...

[Sonny]

ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

I had a discussion with David Heath at Origins (and I think Erik was in on it) about WitP code. The decision was made to keep the code in house for a while longer. For now, Mike is working on WPO and on fixing some WitP bugs. At some point in the future (and I can't say if that's later this year or a year from now), we expect to open it up to a select group of programmers who sign up to work on it. We would not plan on just giving out the code to the world, at least not at that time. We have our doubts about the ability of volunteers to significantly improve the game without causing even more bugs, but we expect to be willing to try it out down the road. We certainly can't give up the revenue that we continue to make on WitP. Based on current sales trends, I'd say we have sold somewhere between 40-70% of what we will eventually sell, so you can see there is still a lot of sales that we expect (and need) from WitP. Opening the source could jeopardize this revenue. Down the road, it is very possible the code will be opened up for all to access, but that'll have to come later.

Just to indicate the ongoing sales potential of WitP, we sold about 15 at Origins. Considering the game was a year old, this is a very high number. SSI games rarely sold more than a few copies at a convention if they had been out for more than a few months.

Thanks for the clarification.

Where is the list to sign up to work on it?

[Speedysteve]

I'd guess it would be a "they come to you list" rather than a "me me me. Pick me!" list [;)]

[Sonny]

ORIGINAL: Speedy

I'd guess it would be a "they come to you list" rather than a "me me me. Pick me!" list [;)]

Well, they did mention volunteers - so I was volunteering.[:)]

[michaelm75au]

Hi

Well, I am putting up my hand to help fix the Leader bug[:D][:D][:D][8|]

Michael

[Speedysteve]

Bug? What bug? WiTP has bugs? First i've heard of it [;)]

[Terminus]

Must be some other WitP. It certainly isn't the one I'M playing! [:D]

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

I had a discussion with David Heath at Origins (and I think Erik was in on it) about WitP code. The decision was made to keep the code in house for a while longer. For now, Mike is working on WPO and on fixing some WitP bugs. At some point in the future (and I can't say if that's later this year or a year from now), we expect to open it up to a select group of programmers who sign up to work on it. We would not plan on just giving out the code to the world, at least not at that time. We have our doubts about the ability of volunteers to significantly improve the game without causing even more bugs, but we expect to be willing to try it out down the road. We certainly can't give up the revenue that we continue to make on WitP. Based on current sales trends, I'd say we have sold somewhere between 40-70% of what we will eventually sell, so you can see there is still a lot of sales that we expect (and need) from WitP. Opening the source could jeopardize this revenue. Down the road, it is very possible the code will be opened up for all to access, but that'll have to come later.

Just to indicate the ongoing sales potential of WitP, we sold about 15 at Origins. Considering the game was a year old, this is a very high number. SSI games rarely sold more than a few copies at a convention if they had been out for more than a few months.

Thanks for info Joel!

BTW, in light of your statement "I'd say we have sold somewhere between 40-70% of what we will eventually sell" and comparing that to what you said before "around 10000 copies sold at best" I guestimate that there have been 4000-7000 WitP copies sold - IMHO this is _VERY_ good news indeed (and I sincerely hope you will meat your goal)!!!


Leo "Apollo11"

[Peter Fisla]

I will be happy to do some further development/fixing bugs on WitP in the future

[Joel Billings]

Did I say 10k at best? I thought I said between 5-15k units sold. Check back with me in a few years and I'll let you know how it came out, but in any case I'd hire you to do my econometric forecasting (econometrics was my favorite class in college).