Originally posted by Nii Jima:
Let me get this straight. Americans, sitting peacefully by, watching as a well-armed band of murderous thugs wreak havoc (and I mean bloody havoc; torture, rape, pillage, the whole nine yards) across Manchuria and Northern China, find themselves attacked without provocation, and you call them "self-centered and ignorant" for being upset about it?
If you had bothered to read the entire post, you'd know that it answered a claim that TODAYS Americans would be more upset by the Rising Sun being raised on their ground than the Swastika, on account of Pearl Harbor. You obviously kind of know how to read, so keep it up and don't be discouraged by the long posts, you'll make it in the end.
Originally posted by Nii Jima:
You are a thoroughly and frighteningly propagandized young man. First of all, the "industrial slaughter" you refer to was the norm at the time. A terrible norm, but the norm nonetheless.
The Holocaust, a norm? You are a thoroughly ignorant young man if you belive that. Ah, and let me guess on your definition of propaganda: any view not shared by American conservatives?
Originally posted by Nii Jima:
What, in fact, does Pearl Harbor represent but the "industrial slaughter" of innocents, I ask you that?
I'd say it was an attack on a legitimate military target. Part of an unjust war, to be sure, but not in itself a war crime or anything like it.
Originally posted by Nii Jima:
Second, few if any knew about the mass exterminations going on in the European detention camps at the time they were occurring.
What has this to do with anything? We're discussing the attitudes of TODAYS americans towards the Swastika and the Rising Sun. Again, keep reading the posts through.
Originally posted by Nii Jima:
the "high and mighty USA" was neither high nor particularly mighty at the time--which is one reason the Japs disregarded warnings and attacked anyway. The USA's descent into narcissism has occurred in the decades following WWII. They were at the time in fact very isolationist and peaceful and were well thought of throughout the world..
See the above.
Originally posted by Nii Jima:
Well, how correct of you. I hereby award you the applause of all the other uneducated little lemmings you are trying to please with your remarks. As far as the substance goes, however, please screw yourself. Any American mother whose son was tortured and/or killed by the Japanese (a far crueler foe than the Nazis) earned her dislike of them the hard way...
I kind of doubt many of those mothers are alive today, and as to the relative cruelty of Nazis and Japs I bet there were some Polish, Russian and Jewish mothers who would like to discuss that point with you, so yep, i was dead right: At least one of you has no sense of proportion, and the manners of a street punk to match.
Originally posted by Nii Jima:
...unlike you, who sit as judge of these mothers in the comfort of your own little high chair. Jesus, you're so blinded by your idiotic ideology you evidently can't even see or understand the most basic of human motivations...
And what ideology would that be? I suspect you are going to throw the in America so dispised accolade of "liberal" at me. Funny, since most of those who know me consider me to be politically slightly to the right of Djingis Khan.
But ideology does not blind me to the facts of history, as it does with you.
After you finish your reading excersises, i'd recommend studying some more of it, especially European history.
With this, i consider this topic closed and will not be participating in this debate any further, no matter what invectives are thrown at me.
[This message has been edited by Yogi Yohan (edited September 30, 2000).]
