OT: Just had to promote this new Matrix game! It is a gem in my opinion!

[Oleg Mastruko]

Its not wishful thinking.

War In Russia is complex game aimed at grognards, being developed mainly by Mike "The WITP God" we all know well.

GG Civil War game is based on WaW engine someone here called "cartoonish" (which, in my opinion, is gross unfairness towards WaW but thats another matter).

So, all you WiR fans, afraid your favorite game will become "cartoonish" may sleep peacefully.

WaW is BTW excellent game not at all "cartoonish", unless you think little soldier icons are sign of the devil (I don't), strategically deep and complex.

Andrew, what mod are you doing for WaW? If you're in the mood for a quick "educational" PBEM let me know. I am always glad to see fellow WITP grognard being drawn to "cartoonish" game I helped beta test (and that I love, and consider strategy game of the year [so far] BTW)

Oleg

[Jim D Burns]

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

yes using the same more advanced engine. but two totally different games! [:)]

you could remake WITP with the GGWAW engine you see....it would be the same game but with a better engine.....

Well then I stand corrected (I hope[;)]). I simply assumed it meant that the new engine was going to make WIR an area based game with abstract units, etc. I have nothing against an abstract game really, but after hyping myself up for a new and improved WIR (and all its wonderful detail), I was disappointed it might not follow in its predecessors footsteps.

I am glad to hear I appear to be mistaken.

Jim

[Oleg Mastruko]

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Good stuff Andrew ... get real good at modding GGWaW as it will be the engine upon which War in Russia is built so you'll be ready to go for both it and the Civil War game Gary is doing. [8D]

Sounds to me like you're hearing it wrong, not I.

I think this time Frag simply got something wrong that's all. This is not official in any way shape or form, but for all I know WiR is not a part of WaW "development tree".

WiR is grog game, programmed mainly by Mike the grog developer [;)]

WaW and ACW are less-grogy games being programmed mainly by Keith.

BTW I will again add my opinion - grogy or not, but WaW is at least as enjoyable as WITP if actually not more, you guys should really try it out for yourself.

You should read Joel's 2by3 development diary more closely, this is all publicly abaivalbe info [;)]

O.

[Tanaka]

ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Good stuff Andrew ... get real good at modding GGWaW as it will be the engine upon which War in Russia is built so you'll be ready to go for both it and the Civil War game Gary is doing. [8D]

Sounds to me like you're hearing it wrong, not I.

I think this time Frag simply got something wrong that's all. This is not official in any way shape or form, but for all I know WiR is not a part of WaW "development tree".

WiR is grog game, programmed mainly by Mike the grog developer [;)]

WaW and ACW are less-grogy games being programmed mainly by Keith.

BTW I will again add my opinion - grogy or not, but WaW is at least as enjoyable as WITP if actually not more, you guys should really try it out for yourself.

You should read Joel's 2by3 development diary more closely, this is all publicly abaivalbe info [;)]

O.

nope frag is right they both will use the same engine. but what he did not say is how different the games are!

[Oleg Mastruko]

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

nope frag is right they both will use the same engine. but what he did not say is how different the games are!

Whatever, depends what you call an "engine" [:D]... WiR2 will be grognardy, ACW will be like WaW (cartoonish for some, brilliant strategy game for others), thats all you need to know. [;)]

O.

[Tanaka]

ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

nope frag is right they both will use the same engine. but what he did not say is how different the games are!

Whatever, depends what you call an "engine" [:D]... WiR2 will be grognardy, ACW will be like WaW (cartoonish for some, brilliant strategy game for others), thats all you need to know. [;)]

O.

yep! [;)]

[scout1]

Ok, Ok.....

Cartoonish was a poor choice of words. I purchased GGWaW and just struggled to really enjoy it. I bit too abstract. Got the original HOI. It too didn't stay on my hard drive long. I grew up with the SPI monster games and enjoyed them to death.

Perhaps one day, I'll come to appreciate GGWaW .....

Sorry if anyone took my poor choice of words to "heart" [8|]

[Andrew Brown]

ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko
Andrew, what mod are you doing for WaW? If you're in the mood for a quick "educational" PBEM let me know. I am always glad to see fellow WITP grognard being drawn to "cartoonish" game I helped beta test (and that I love, and consider strategy game of the year [so far] BTW)

It's just a graphics mod. Being an old fashioned grognard I can't stand the toy soldiers, so I am experimenting with NATO style counters. It might be a while before I have time to finish it though, or think about PBEM.

[Erik Rutins]

RUMOR CONTROL: Please note that the GGWaW "engine" means a LOT more than what it looks like on the user side.

The new War in Russia covers the whole Eastern Front at 10 miles per hex and looks nothing like GGWaW. Those of you who want another monster wargame, this is the next one I see on the horizon and as with the previous War In Russia games, will not be for the faint-hearted.

Regards,

- Erik

[Mr.Frag]

Yea, for those who don't get it, a game engine have very little to do with whats on your screen. It also has nothing to do with complexity.

Warp your mind for a sec and imagine GGWaW where each country/province was hex shaped and there were a heck of a lot more of them. It takes a bit of time to imagine it, but from an engine perspective, it matters not. [;)]

[Charles2222]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Yea, for those who don't get it, a game engine have very little to do with whats on your screen. It also has nothing to do with complexity.

Warp your mind for a sec and imagine GGWaW where each country/province was hex shaped and there were a heck of a lot more of them. It takes a bit of time to imagine it, but from an engine perspective, it matters not. [;)]

Yes, I was imagning 10 mile hexes giving way to "provinces". UGH!

[Lord_Calidor]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

RUMOR CONTROL: Please note that the GGWaW "engine" means a LOT more than what it looks like on the user side.

The new War in Russia covers the whole Eastern Front at 10 miles per hex and looks nothing like GGWaW. Those of you who want another monster wargame, this is the next one I see on the horizon and as with the previous War In Russia games, will not be for the faint-hearted.

Regards,

- Erik

Damn, man. I just got my new apartment and soon intend to let myself be married.
How am I supposed to do all that with that kind of monster coming?

[;)][:D]

[Toast]

ORIGINAL: Lord_Calidor


Damn, man. I just got my new apartment and soon intend to let myself be married.
How am I supposed to do all that with that kind of monster coming?

[;)][:D]

It is obvious that you will have to delay your move and postpone your marriage plans indefinitely! You can't let distractions like that intrude into your life when there is serious gaming to do!

I wonder if you have the committment level to post on this board!

[:D]

[Mr.Frag]

I wonder if you have the committment level to post on this board!

http://completecase.com

Use when required [:D]

[Titanwarrior89]

I agree! Its a great game. I bought a copy and now CoG and witp are the only ones I play.[:D]

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

To all my WITP buddies I highly recommend you guys check out Crown of Glory! Matrix does it again with this one! This game is really competing with WITP for my time right now and it will only get better! You guys should check it out and support Matrix for putting together another great turned based grognard title!!! And tactical battles to boot! Another sleep eating up all nighter game here! [:D]

[EUBanana]

Well, its ordered, on the basis of these fine reviews.

Cash is gonna be tight, I need a game that'll last a good three months.

[Reiryc]

ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89

I agree! Its a great game. I bought a copy and now CoG and witp are the only ones I play.[:D]

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

To all my WITP buddies I highly recommend you guys check out Crown of Glory! Matrix does it again with this one! This game is really competing with WITP for my time right now and it will only get better! You guys should check it out and support Matrix for putting together another great turned based grognard title!!! And tactical battles to boot! Another sleep eating up all nighter game here! [:D]

It is a great game... I've been playing online the last couple days with mogami and it's been a load of fun.

It has problems, but hey, what game doesn't? However, when it comes to enjoyment, this game has it.