Stripes on provinces

[goodwoodrw]

On trhe main map is there a diference between the vertical and the diangonal stripes for the protectrates?

[ericbabe]

Diagonal strips mean "city is occupied."

In the IGN review, the reviewer was confused that provinces had cities with different names than the provinces. But in COG cities and provinces are different things in the sense that a player can occupy a city in a province but not own the province: in this case, diagonal striping.


Eric

[goodwoodrw]

Ok if I have managed to occupy the city what do I need to do to control the province

[Mynok]

And what if I have a province with both vertical and diagonal stripes?!?!

[ahauschild]

I had that happen to me, attacked a enemy protector, like doing that as it gives me the province permanent. But after the city gave up it had my empire icon, but both the enemy and my stripe pattern on them. I left my guys a few more turns in there, but they did not attack anymore. no garrison was present. But on the little map the province had still the enemy color. Later when the surrender from him came the stripes whent back to his color. Was wird.

[Mynok]

This was *my* protectorate: Algeria as Turkey. Algerian troops were in the city. Both sets of stripes were Turkey's color.

Very strange.

[Ralegh]

The way it is supposed to work is that vertical stripes indicate a protectorate and diagonal stripes indicate occupation.

What I think you are seeing has to do with multi-province protectorates.

If you occupied the province of a protectorate (ie. a subordinate province in a multi-province protectorate), you would see both stripe patterns, and at war's end it would revert. If you occupied the capital of a multi-province protectorate (the city in the primary country), then the whole protectorate (all the provinces) would be conquered.

[jchastain]

ORIGINAL: ericbabe

Diagonal strips mean "city is occupied."

In the IGN review, the reviewer was confused that provinces had cities with different names than the provinces. But in COG cities and provinces are different things in the sense that a player can occupy a city in a province but not own the province: in this case, diagonal striping.


Eric

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that even though you can control a city without "owning" the province, production and all benefits go to whoever controls the city so the distinction is pretty small. A province that is controlled but not owned is simply waiting for final disposition in an eventual peace treaty but other than a few minor differences such as not being able to raise troops, it is essentially yours pending a diplomatic arrangement to the contrary.

As to the reviewers point, he is right on this one. Using the city name at some times and the province name at others simply forces you to remember two names for what is essentially a single place on the map. Personally, I would prefer to always use the province name except in those instances where you are literally talking about the city and then I would say "CITYNAME, in province PROVINCENAME, ..." just to alleviate any potential confusion.

[Naomi]

Which provinces have more than one city? Can anybody remind me?

[jchastain]

ORIGINAL: Naomi

Which provinces have more than one city? Can anybody remind me?

none. What I believe he is referring to is that some minor countries have more than one province (and therefore more than one city).

[ericbabe]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that even though you can control a city without "owning" the province, production and all benefits go to whoever controls the city so the distinction is pretty small.

If a city is occupied, no one gets the production. (There may be a small amount of income from occupied cities...I can't remember if this is still in the engine or not.)

As to the reviewers point, he is right on this one. Using the city name at some times and the province name at others simply forces you to remember two names for what is essentially a single place on the map. Personally, I would prefer to always use the province name except in those instances where you are

Well maybe a MOD is in order that renames all the cities after their province names for people who don't like to remember two names.

[jchastain]

ORIGINAL: ericbabe

If a city is occupied, no one gets the production. (There may be a small amount of income from occupied cities...I can't remember if this is still in the engine or not.)

Ummm, then why can I move all the sliders? If what you say is true and the results are not calculated, then please make it like a protectorate where the sliders are removed. Let me know if you need a savegame showing them, but I suspect this is global behavior.

Well maybe a MOD is in order that renames all the cities after their province names for people who don't like to remember two names.

You might be right. Were I to do it, it likely wouldn't travel well as I'd likely use a mix of city names or province names depending on what seemed more familiar so that I'd know where to look instinctively. [;)]

[Ralegh]

Umm, interesting idea. If a province is occupied, how should it appear in the province development screen? It might be a pain if it was grayed out - why not allow me to set the production I want for after the enemy go?

Perhaps what we should have is a sign saying "OCCUPIED" instead of enocuraging you to think the setgtings will produce anything.

Whatcha reckon?

[marirosa]

ORIGINAL: jchastain
Ummm, then why can I move all the sliders?

You can move them, but when you hit Next Turn button they return to it previous position so yours moves have no effect. If you try to build troops or improvements, it say is conquered land and don't allow you.

So maybe the sliders are there so you can see what was producing there the enemy (i had the hope than maybe i was confiscating it too while conquered).

[Mynok]

If you occupied the province of a protectorate (ie. a subordinate province in a multi-province protectorate), you would see both stripe patterns, and at war's end it would revert. If you occupied the capital of a multi-province protectorate (the city in the primary country), then the whole protectorate (all the provinces) would be conquered.

Well...here's the situation I have right now (this happened in my solo game last night).

As Turkey, I declared war on Tripolitania and moved forces into Tripoli to beseige. Last night, Tripoli surrendered. When I ran the turn, Tripoli province now shows as a conquered Turkish province. Benghazi (the second Tripolitanian province) did not change at all. It did not become conquered, but it still showed as a part of Tripolitania when one right-clicks the province to pull up the menu.

Interestingly, when I did that to Benghazi, the "Form Protectorate" option showed up. I selected that. Note that there was a Tripolitanian Mil in the Benghazi city when I selected Form Protectorate. When the turn ran, I got the "Turkey forms protectorate with Tripolitania" message, and Benghazi now shows both vertical and diagonal stripes.

Now, I beseiged Tripoli thinking that conquering the main province would automatically conquer the others. That is apparently not the case. I have no idea what state Benghazi is in, as both directions of striping are Turkey's color. How can they be both my protectorate and occupied by me? I tried moving the Mil unit out of the city leaving it empty to see if that would get rid of the diagonal striping and it did not.

I have the save file if anyone wants to see it.

[Mr. Z]

ORIGINAL: Mynok


This was *my* protectorate: Algeria as Turkey. Algerian troops were in the city. Both sets of stripes were Turkey's color.

Very strange.

I'm still worried about this--why were both sets of stripes his color?

Mynok, next time this happens, could you send a screenshot? Thanks.

[Mynok]

Better yet, I can send you a save file with the situation this evening. Is your email attached the PM function of this board? If not, PM me as mine is and I'll reply to your email address.