Declaring War

[ptan54]

Standard Scenario, playing as Russia.

Beat France with ease and the British had a huge army in Paris to force surrender.

Now I want to take Finland. Insult the Swedes with my diplomats and move my armies into their capital...two years have passed and they've issued various ultimata telling me to get lost. I ignore them. War does not happen.

I'm getting sick and tired. How do I declare war? There's a declare war option but that's presumably to get another country to declare war on a third party.

I'm at war with Spain at the moment and no hostilities have been exchanged. Shouldn't Spain make peace with everyone after France is beaten? And they keep rejecting my offers of white peace/ceasefire. Annoying bastards. Does being at war with Spain prevent me from going to war with Sweden?

HELP!

[Alex Gilbert]

Right click on Sweeden, a pop-up menu includes (I think) the name of the country--there is a sub-menu with options including subsidize country, declare war, or undeclared war. Select declare war.

Alex

[ptan54]

Done that - no declare war option!

[Alex Gilbert]

Well, I am hardly one of the experts here, but from my own experience, there is nothing about being at war with Spain that should keep you from DoWing Sweden. You did not ally with Sweden, right? Perhaps you would have to break the alliance first?

[munited18]

Are you still allied with them?

[jchastain]

Allied is the most likely explanation. Other possibility is that you are already at war without knowing it. It isn't always as clear as it should be when they decide they've had enough following an ultimatum.

[Naomi]

ORIGINAL: ptan54

Standard Scenario, playing as Russia.

Beat France with ease and the British had a huge army in Paris to force surrender.

Now I want to take Finland. Insult the Swedes with my diplomats and move my armies into their capital...two years have passed and they've issued various ultimata telling me to get lost. I ignore them. War does not happen.

I'm getting sick and tired. How do I declare war? There's a declare war option but that's presumably to get another country to declare war on a third party.

I'm at war with Spain at the moment and no hostilities have been exchanged. Shouldn't Spain make peace with everyone after France is beaten? And they keep rejecting my offers of white peace/ceasefire. Annoying bastards. Does being at war with Spain prevent me from going to war with Sweden?

HELP!

I guess, its just because your Russian troops were already on Swedian soil before you were going to declare war on Swedes. You should've ordered your men back onto your home land so you can declare war.

[Mynok]

What is on the menu when you right-click Finland and click on the Sweden line? If Surrender or Offer Cease Fire exists, you are at war.

[Alex Gilbert]

ORIGINAL: Naomi

ORIGINAL: ptan54

Standard Scenario, playing as Russia.

Beat France with ease and the British had a huge army in Paris to force surrender.

Now I want to take Finland. Insult the Swedes with my diplomats and move my armies into their capital...two years have passed and they've issued various ultimata telling me to get lost. I ignore them. War does not happen.

I'm getting sick and tired. How do I declare war? There's a declare war option but that's presumably to get another country to declare war on a third party.

I'm at war with Spain at the moment and no hostilities have been exchanged. Shouldn't Spain make peace with everyone after France is beaten? And they keep rejecting my offers of white peace/ceasefire. Annoying bastards. Does being at war with Spain prevent me from going to war with Sweden?

HELP!

I guess, its just because your Russian troops were already on Swedian soil before you were going to declare war on Swedes. You should've ordered your men back onto your home land so you can declare war.

Actually, I thought about that and tried it--you can declare war on a country even if you are already in the procss of violating their territory.

[Naomi]

ORIGINAL: Alex Gilbert


Actually, I thought about that and tried it--you can declare war on a country even if you are already in the procss of violating their territory.

It's all too unreasonable. I would like to see this issue up for the designers' reviewing.

[ahauschild]

There is a bug, I can vouche for it. In a previous campaign with the prussians I was never able to declare war on the Turks, no matter what I tried. I had no treatys or such, and used all possible methods to get them to decalre war on me, or visa versa. Sometimes two nations are just immune to the call of war.

[jchastain]

ORIGINAL: ahauschild

There is a bug, I can vouche for it. In a previous campaign with the prussians I was never able to declare war on the Turks, no matter what I tried. I had no treatys or such, and used all possible methods to get them to decalre war on me, or visa versa. Sometimes two nations are just immune to the call of war.

Do you have the technology advancement "Ignore United Nations" yet? [:'(]

[Naomi]

ORIGINAL: jchastain

Do you have the technology advancement "Ignore United Nations" yet? [:'(]

Or perhaps your Talleyrand did so far as to prevent your DOW coming into effect. :p

[Mr. Z]

ORIGINAL: Naomi

ORIGINAL: jchastain

Do you have the technology advancement "Ignore United Nations" yet? [:'(]

Or perhaps your Talleyrand did so far as to prevent your DOW coming into effect. :p

Yeah, make sure your diplomatic expert is turned off.

[Ralegh]

The most likely cause in my experience is that you are allied to them. If you don't see Declare War as an option on the right click menu chen you click their country, then this is the reason. You have to break the alliance, and then in the following month you can declare war.

[ptan54]

I've dissolved the alliance actually. And selected violate neutrality. Grrrr.

[Ralegh]

send me the saved game (and matching rep file) [zipped up] and i will have a look.
ralegh@rosesolutions.com

[ptan54]

OK, I'll send you the saved game.

Diplomatic Situation:

Options that pop up when I rightclick Sweden:

[Ralegh]

Aha! Got it. (I looked at the save file, but these 2 screen shots told the story anyway.)

A little known rule in the game is that you cannot declare war on someone who is at war with someone you are at war with.
In your game, you and Sweden are both at war with Spain. Hence you cannot declare war on Sweden. (If you made a peace with Spain, you would be able to declare war on Sweden.)

This rule exists to encourage wars to turn into 2 sides against each other, rather than everyone against everyone stuff.

[ptan54]

Ah right! Thanks!