UBER WITP????

Brady · Post by **Brady** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:32 am

A whilke back their was talk of a posabality of doing a UBER WiTP with more of everything and a smaller Hex scale,Somthing tayloerd to PBEM, is this going to hapen? Or were we all just dreaming

jwilkerson · Post by **jwilkerson** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:48 am

ORIGINAL: Brady

A whilke back their was talk of a posabality of doing a UBER WiTP with more of everything and a smaller Hex scale,Somthing tayloerd to PBEM, is this going to hapen? Or were we all just dreaming

Well there are at least 3 ways of doing this - but if you've got a spare million $$ we can get started on one of those options right away !!! Option #2 - awaits developments. It was announced by Erik and Joel, after origins that they would be holding onto the code for a while longer - so that might put paid to what some of us thought might be option 2 - at least for "a while". Option #3 would require putting together a team of "volunteers" ( in this case the volunteer word represents both the pay grade and the hiring process ! ) to cover all required roles and responsibilities and pressing forward in more of an "open source" mode. But there has to be a control point and an organizing element, these primary roles need to be filled first and while I've been involved in discussions about this - I don't currently know of any one or ones who can step forward to fill these roles.

keeferon01 · Post by **keeferon01** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:58 am

ORIGINAL: Brady

A whilke back their was talk of a posabality of doing a UBER WiTP with more of everything and a smaller Hex scale,Somthing tayloerd to PBEM, is this going to hapen? Or were we all just dreaming

I dunno about pbem my friend I would love to see the AI developed more, not everyone can get a pbem buddy or game going.

Ron

jwilkerson · Post by **jwilkerson** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:02 am

ORIGINAL: Ron James

ORIGINAL: Brady

A whilke back their was talk of a posabality of doing a UBER WiTP with more of everything and a smaller Hex scale,Somthing tayloerd to PBEM, is this going to hapen? Or were we all just dreaming

I dunno about pbem my friend I would love to see the AI developed more, not everyone can get a pbem buddy or game going.

Ron

So R U volunteering to be on the AI design team !!! ???

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:20 am

I will throw my hat in the ring here( if I only had a hat [:D] )

I have some good programming and design work in my past. I would be interested in an open source project.

usersatch · Post by **usersatch** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:20 am

I dont know jack about programming, but I can do research (if that helps).

jwilkerson · Post by **jwilkerson** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:05 am

Reply to all ( and Nomad and usersatch )

roughly speaking .... for option #3 ( open source ) we need the following

Product Management ( advocate for the customer - whoever is "paying" for the product ) ... 2 of these ... determine features and priorities and approve release of produict.

Program Management ( responsible for delivery of X=the product on Y=the date with Z=the resources ) ... 2 of these

Design Team ( "What are we doing" ... this includes research as well ) we need many, many, many of these ... 2-12 ... maybe more ...

Development ( these are the coders ... need probably only 2 of these ... maybe one more as non-coding technical architect ... ) in a properly designed and managed project .. the coding ... will not be the bottleneck .. the design and testing will be ... I speak from 20+ years of programming experience myself as well as past 12 years as Applications Manager and then IT Director. Development will not be the bottleneck in a properly designed project. It seems to be in our current scenario .. but if properly managed ... development will be less than 10% of total project resources.

Artists ( they do the graphics ) .. need 2 of these ... maybe more ... as this includes planes, ships and map !

Testing ( "did we do it" ... separate team which ensures that development team implemented design team objectives ... minimum 2 persons )

In summary - to do option #3 ( open source ) we need minimum of:

2 Product Managers
2 Program Managers
2 Developers
2 Artists
2 Testers
2-12 Designers ( lets say minimum 7 )

So 17 persons minimum total ... so far ... we have Nomad and usersatch and me ... for 3 ... and this has kind of been the way the previous discussions have gone ... let's see if anyone else jumps in ...

Bodhi · Post by **Bodhi** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:39 am

Of course, that's how a project should be done. Probably another case of curiosity killing the cat, but I'm just wondering how the actual team involved in producing WitP compares with the team you'd like to assemble for Uber WitP.

Widell · Post by **Widell** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:10 am

I´d throw my hat in if something does happen. I have some experience of Open Source projects and the pro's and con's of working in that fashion. Got limited coding skills (VB, PHP/MySQL and some C) but as said, it all depends on how and what is to be done....

/Robert

Qwerty · Post by **Qwerty** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:20 am

I still think Matrix would be better off planning a version of War in the Mediterranean (WITM - Got a nice ring to it!) But what do I know...I'm just a kid [;)]

Who knows...If Matrix/2by3 ever release the source codes, I might just get started on it myself [:'(]

Raverdave · Post by **Raverdave** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:08 pm

Were 2 By 3 doing a new War in Roosha along the lines of WiTP ????????

keeferon01 · Post by **keeferon01** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:15 pm

So R U volunteering to be on the AI design team !!! ???

Im sure you would love a history teacher on your design team, we could all sit round and drink some coffee and have real nice chat every morning [:)]

Terminus · Post by **Terminus** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:49 pm

ORIGINAL: Raverdave

Were 2 By 3 doing a new War in Roosha along the lines of WiTP ????????

Yup! Not based on the engine, thankfully!

Sonny · Post by **Sonny** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:25 pm

I have said from the first time I heard of this that I am interested in programming. [8D]

ZekeNY · Post by **ZekeNY** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:34 pm

I have some minor league programming skills (C, C++) that I'd be happy to throw in to the mix on a project like this. I doubt I'd be up to any heavy lifting, but I could probably find the occasional bug and perhaps submit a useful patch or two.

RevRick · Post by **RevRick** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:37 pm

ORIGINAL: Ron James

So R U volunteering to be on the AI design team !!! ???

Im sure you would love a history teacher on your design team, we could all sit round and drink some coffee and have real nice chat every morning [:)]

Oh, really. Well, I'll throw my hat in the ring. I'm and ex-English Teacher who is now a pastor and a Naval History Nut.

Ought to be some interesting conversations.

Wolfie1 · Post by **Wolfie1** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:15 pm

I'm not great on programming, but you can put me down as a tester if you like.

Iridium · Post by **Iridium** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:29 pm

Just get it ported to windows finally...[:D]

jwilkerson · Post by **jwilkerson** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:12 pm

ORIGINAL: Ron James

So R U volunteering to be on the AI design team !!! ???

Im sure you would love a history teacher on your design team, we could all sit round and drink some coffee and have real nice chat every morning [:)]

Actually these are exactly the people that need to be on the design team. The design team is responsible for determining what will be implemented, the priorities, doing the research etc.

jwilkerson · Post by **jwilkerson** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:14 pm

ORIGINAL: Bodhi

Of course, that's how a project should be done. Probably another case of curiosity killing the cat, but I'm just wondering how the actual team involved in producing WitP compares with the team you'd like to assemble for Uber WitP.

To do comparison, I'd have to know something about both objects being compared. I can talk about the one ( the team I'd like to see assembled ) but not the other ( the actual team involved in producing WITP ) as I know little about that team. So not sure I can do comparison.

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