LCU's and their assigned HQ's

Supervisor · Post by **Supervisor** » Tue Dec 12, 2000 5:38 am

I never really paid attention to what HQ a unit was attached to until recently when getting units out of Australia. I see that if the unit is moved to a base controlled by a different HQ it does not change the HW to which it is "attached".

So I find myself wondering, just to be safe, if there is any reason to concern oneself with which HQ an LCU is attached to as compared to the HQ which controls the base the LCU is located at?

-KL

JBarrett · Post by **JBarrett** » Tue Dec 12, 2000 1:43 pm

The only units you can move out of Australia are the ones that become attached to SW Pacific, and I'm not sure if they can be changed to another HQ. Other land units, however, can be changed. The change occurs when, for example, a SW Pacific unit lands at a Central Pacific HQ'd base. The next time that unit activates, it will switch HQ's to Central Pacific.

andrewmv · Post by **andrewmv** » Tue Dec 12, 2000 3:45 pm

Originally posted by JBarrett:
The only units you can move out of Australia are the ones that become attached to SW Pacific, and I'm not sure if they can be changed to another HQ. Other land units, however, can be changed. The change occurs when, for example, a SW Pacific unit lands at a Central Pacific HQ'd base. The next time that unit activates, it will switch HQ's to Central Pacific.

It depends if they startout attached to ANZAC or not. The units that come into play attached to a HQ other than ANZAC (8th Aust Div, 1e KNIL Bde, 7th Bde, 30th Bde, 2/21st Bn, and 2/40th Bn) can be changed to another HQ, the rest can not (or to be more precise, switch back the next turn).

Incidentally, I've just found out that the three Aust Bn that start in the East Indies and Rabul (2/21st, 2/22nd and 2/40th) were actually part of the 8th Division (it only had two brigades in Malaya and these are the missing brigade). If there's time maybe this could be modelled in 2.2? At the very least a good case can be made for shifting the 2/22nd from ANZAC to ABDA.

[This message has been edited by andrewmv (edited December 12, 2000).]

Major Tom · Post by **Major Tom** » Tue Dec 12, 2000 9:10 pm

Know what is amusing? I just switched the 2/22nd Infantry Battalion to SW Pacific yesterday for the Matrix OBC's. Of course, you will probably never get the chance to remove this unit and use it somewhere else, but, I felt that it was probably more realistic to have it attached to SW Pacific, since it was an AIF (not a Militia) unit.

Dean Robb · Post by **Dean Robb** » Fri Dec 15, 2000 7:53 am

I seem to be unable to switch units fm SouthPac to ANZAC. The AI-J in this game is playing *very* defensively (two desultory carrier raids on Rabaul, invasion of Johnston Isl, Hawaii and Midway by a single SNLF each) so I was able to move SoPac to Rabaul early on and gave ANZAC the task of marching north up the pennisula from Port Moresby. I lent them a couple of US Div and set a single base as SoPac HQ for a few turns to build up the supply base. Changed the base back to ANZAC with no problem, but not a single one of the units (2 US Div, 3 Aussie Bde) can be set to ANZAC.

Major Tom · Post by **Major Tom** » Fri Dec 15, 2000 9:00 am

ANZAC, West Coast, Imperial GHQ, Kwantung, Nat.China and CEA are 'special' commands. Units cannot be transferred in or out of these commands without the computer doing the changes. This is becuase these units were historically slated for either defence, or for fighting in a specific campaign.

You cannot load units from these LCU's onto transports either. Activating LCU's that are attached to these bases use up A LOT of PP's. They aren't meant for 'offensive' operations. And in the case of Kwantung and CEA, you cannot move LBA out of these bases either.

Don Bowen · Post by **Don Bowen** » Fri Dec 15, 2000 11:16 am

The 23rd Brigade began the war as part of the 8th Australian Division. As part of the Australian Imperial Force it was authorized to deploy outside Australia.

One of it's battalions (2/40) was detached to Rabaul. On December 7th, 23rd Brigade at Darwin contained:

2/21 Infantry Battalion

2/22 Infantry Battalion

2/4 MG Battalion

2/2/4 Pioneer Battalion

2/14 Field Artillery Remiment

CMF Units in Darwin included the 19th Infantry Battlion (ex Darwin Infantry Battlion) and the 18th Field Artillery. These units were not authorized for service outside of Australia.

In the first month of the war, most of 23rd Brigade was detached and subsequently lost:

2/21 Infantry Battalion to Ambon

2/22 Infantry Battalion to Timor

2/4 MG Battalion to Singapore.

Other units were added to 23rd Brigade. These were:

27th Infantry Brigade

43rd Infantry Brigade

19th MG Regiment

Since all of the newly attached units were militia, 23rd Brigade effectively lost it's ability to be deployed outside of Australia. In fact, it served in Darwin through September, 1943.

Interestly, when the U.S. 147th Field Artillery Regiment (both battalions) and the 1st/148th Field Artillery Regiment - enroute the Philippines as of December 7th, 1941 - arrived at Darwin they were integrated into the defensive forces. The 147th was attached to the 23rd Brigade, giving the unit a mixture of AIF, Militia, and U.S. units. The 1st/148th became part of Darwin Fortress.

Don

Dean Robb · Post by **Dean Robb** » Sun Dec 17, 2000 9:10 am

There's where some of us "old timer" PW vets get caught out...

. I know you could never take ANZAC units away from ANZAC, but I'm fairly sure I was able to put US units under ANZAC control.

Of course, I still march EVERY unit in Australia up to Broome (with Darwin being SWPac HQ) so I don't have to move the units attached to SWPac later in the war so far