Wonder how that's going to work out for the Austrians

[carnifex]

/snicker

Edit:

to recreate, have a nation surrender to you, write up a surrender treaty with no clauses, and click ok.

[Hard Sarge]

the only hassle is
275% of 0, is still 0

HARD_Sarge

[carnifex]

I took care of that problem [:D][:D]

[ian77]

Sweet!

[carnifex]

I would like this thread moved over to the bug section and be classified as an exploit for a future fix please.

The reason for this is that each and every turn Austria will default on the treaty automatically and therefore lose 12 glory each turn. I know it's only 36 glory in this particular case but you shouldn't be able to force additional glory losses upon a surrendering power.

[Dayvit781]

I thought it was only a 2 glory loss per turn that they couldn't afford to pay. DOes anything affect that number? Maybe I had different terms. I usually set the % lower, but the term longer so that (as my new allies) they can become powerful and I can reap more benefits in the later part of the treaty.

[Ralegh]

I don't think its an exploit - if the scum are bankrupt, they pay the penalty.

If you actually want the money, take the debt provision (over 12 months).
I sometimes ask for 750 in the next year, and 750 in the year after that, etc, spreading the money out over time.

[carnifex]

I'm going to have to disagree. Let me give you an example:

First turn of the 1805 game, Britain surrenders to France which chooses no clauses and therefore defaults to have Britain pay 275% income for 3 turns.

Sept 1805 - Britain has a net income of 255, treasury at 900.

Oct 1805 - British treasury at 863 (900 + income - upkeep). First payment occurs at end of turn. 275% of 255 should be 700, but British treasury drained to 0 instead. Defaults on treaty, Glory - 19.

Nov 1805 - Second month of 275% payment. Britain unable to pay upkeep - troops deplete. Default on treaty, Glory -19.

Dec 1805 - Third month of 275% payment. Britain unable to pay upkeep - troops deplete. Default on treaty, Glory -20.

Jan 1806 - No more treaty but troops deplete because money is still 0.

So, Britain loses 40 Glory for the surrender, and then another 60 for defaulting, treasury drained dry, and troops are depleted for at least 3 turns.

The main reason this is an exploit is that if France were to choose the debt/reparation clauses, they would still be able to take all of England's money, but the Glory damage would be minimal, maybe 7 points one time occurance.

EDIT: Checked out some more surrender situations - maximum Glory damage France can inflict upon Britain if they choose the most hurtful clauses is 20. So 20 if they choose clauses and 60 if they don't. Either way they get all the money.

[Ralegh]

Wow. Thanks for documenting that Carnifex.

Eric - another one for the list.

[Joram]

Off topic - Carnifex, you're signature. Looks so damn familiar but I can't quite place it. I know I've played that game. What is it???

[carnifex]

haha that's why i placed it in there cmon you can figure it out it was from ssi

you can play it here http://www.virtualapple.com/ (IE only)

[Uncle_Joe]

Battles of Napoleon, yes? I played it on my Atari 1200XL...in the Dark Ages.