destroying the avg

[1275psi]

ENS Hanamato has'nt heard the details yet, but he would like this....

Day 1-AVG terrorises jap air in china
day 2 -send sonias and oscars against wuchow
day 3-send unsecorted sallies, helens against wuchow industry
day 4 -repeat
day 5 -sweep wuchow with 100 crack zeros -and wobbly has taken the bait[:D]

AVG problem rectified for a while.......

This is what happens when you play the same guy for 2 years.
dread how we will be reading each other in another 2[:'(][:'(][:'(]

[rogueusmc]

I think he's reading me better than I do him in my game...[8|]

[1275psi]

heard a rumour you were playing the hyper aggressive one .....how is it going?

beware the decoy plans -he loves the decoy plans does our wobbly[:D]

[rogueusmc]

He has swooped down and taken Noumea...then Auckland, Wellington and he is trying to get enough troops into Christchurch to take it but I'm holding up well.

He landed ant Luganville two days ago and didn't know the whole 1st Mar Div was there...he's trying to make up for that short coming right now.

I am about to go on a little offensive of my own soon...he'll reap his just rewards.[;)]

[wobbly]

Herb - that was a particularly nice piece of work against the AVG, and I admit I fell for it hook, line and sinker. I was a little disappointed in their fighting display - but that does not take away from your lovely trap. I had to smile at how well it was done while I cursed your name and your black heart [:D]

As you will see when you get to read the AAR I expected you to hit Wuchow with a heavy fighter sweep. I just expected it on the second not the third day! Which made me smile even more and yes it means we know each other far too well (having an affair right Herb [;)]

The AVG are not as gutted as you imagine - they lost alot of planes but as it appears with most combat over your base - many pilots bailed out and were saved. I had 40 pilots left despite loosing 40 planes (from 61) at the end of the attack. their average exp is still 70!!

Rogue had managed to get the 2nd Marines onto Luganville and I decided to land the 38th and 2nd Divisions. I knew the marines were there but my bombers kept telling me they were hitting the 2nd Marine C regiment. Stupidly I thought that was all that was there.

Rogue has informed me the clouds of destruction are looming and I am intrigued as to where they will dump their loads!!

Ours is my only Japanese attempt and I feel I have done well but that I have also overstepped my capabilities - I am strung out and the delivery of guns and butter is an ongoing problem.

[mogami]

Hi, I like it when the Japanese go all out to destroy the AVG and use A6M2
A force with a pool of 10 pilots per month attempting to attrit a force with 200 pilots per month. I'll exchange 5 to 1 and be happy. The A6M2 need to destroy 15 to 1 to make it worth their while and even then will run out of pilots before the AVG. The only thing that saves the Japanese early in war is the acute shortage of P-40 models as replacements. (The Allies have the opposite problem from late war Japan. Instead of not enough pilots they have not enough aircraft)
The AVG cannot maintain sustained combat because it must return to supply in order to get replacements. (I don't use Chinese supply )

[AmiralLaurent]

ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, I like it when the Japanese go all out to destroy the AVG and use A6M2
A force with a pool of 10 pilots per month attempting to attrit a force with 200 pilots per month. I'll exchange 5 to 1 and be happy. The A6M2 need to destroy 15 to 1 to make it worth their while and even then will run out of pilots before the AVG. The only thing that saves the Japanese early in war is the acute shortage of P-40 models as replacements. (The Allies have the opposite problem from late war Japan. Instead of not enough pilots they have not enough aircraft)
The AVG cannot maintain sustained combat because it must return to supply in order to get replacements. (I don't use Chinese supply )

Given the WITP model, Japan players can't hope to hold against AVG with Nates and Oscars and suffer reasonable losses as in real life. Hitorically AVG probably scored 2-3 real victories for every combat loss, and lost aircrafts in accidents and on the ground. In WITP the AVG score against Nates is usually 10 for 1 and against Oscars around 5 to 1. So we have to send Zeroes against them. Without them the IJAAF has little chance to even hit the AVG airfield. And not at all to win the air battle.
By the way, the fact that IJNAF receives only 10 pilots a month and starts with 100 (barely enough to man the understrength units at start of the game) is only implying that Japanese players should train pilots on the map, and then the real amount of trained pilots available each month is depending of how much units you use for training

[tabpub]

Wobs:

Yeah, he did the same against me by Burma in our game...
in addition to sending in land based ones, he used some of the front line carriers; this was way back in Feb or so.

But, it gets better....this last month, it has been Spits and Hurris working out of Mandalay, so when I noticed carriers off Rangoon, I figured that he was up to it again and launched my operation Butcher toward Baker Island...well, that's how he deked me out and cost me the two CVs when his frontline carriers hit me there.....

I think that he sits around in a very dark room plotting out these schemes....of course, just say the word "Surabaya" to him to get his ire up....[8D]

[sven6345789]

in my game, i moved the AVG to china. finally decided to undertake a few bombing runs against Hanoi. After destroying a few planes on the ground and air to air, he moved about 2 squadrons of zeros in, killing a few planes (i lost about 14, he lost 1). right now, the AVG recuperates (their morale is quite low), but Zeroes in hanoi cannot be somewhere else. So , in my opinion, job well done by drawing some of his airpower away from India or Australia. Once the morale is back up, lets see what effect a fighter sweep will have.

[Nikademus]

In my PBEM with Bombar....the AVG has not only attracted land based Zeros but the whole of KB as well. I feel so special. [:D]

[wobbly]

The AVG is vital to the sphere but they do have to retain some of the top echelon pilots. If they pull pilots from the pool they are usually of a calibre that they will have trouble keeping up with the oscars let alone the zeros. As Mog says though, at present I can't replace the planes and many of the pilots actually escaped.
I also start to move RAF planes across to China as I like to protect the deeper resource and heavy industry plants, with the connection to India already cut at the beginning of the May scenario they are the only way to get more supplies.
Tadpub: Herb has seriously upgraded his powers of trickery and planning - it is very un-neighbourly!

[racndoc]

Its almost as easy to beeeaaatch slap the Japanese AF as to hit the AVG. In my PBEM against Spooky(now on page 2 of the AARs) Spooky overwhelmed my AVG in Malaya in Dec. 1941 and I was forced to withraw the AVG to India. In less than a month...ie Jan./42 I was able to come back and do B-17 sweeps on the Japanese and devastate their A6M2s and Oscars in addition to their bomber force.

What goes around comes around.

[racndoc]

Actually, the AVG= 23rd fighter group....they achieved almost 600 aerial victories by the end of the war and destroyed nearly 400 AC on the ground.

[1275psi]

ORIGINAL: tabpub

Wobs:

Yeah, he did the same against me by Burma in our game...
in addition to sending in land based ones, he used some of the front line carriers; this was way back in Feb or so.

But, it gets better....this last month, it has been Spits and Hurris working out of Mandalay, so when I noticed carriers off Rangoon, I figured that he was up to it again and launched my operation Butcher toward Baker Island...well, that's how he deked me out and cost me the two CVs when his frontline carriers hit me there.....

I think that he sits around in a very dark room plotting out these schemes....of course, just say the word "Surabaya" to him to get his ire up....[8D]

EVIL CACKLE he he he
I aim to please

For a preacher Guy Im one seriously messed up dude[X(][8D]

[Tom Hunter]

My first game with Blackwatch I miscalculated and lost the AVG on the ground at Georgetown in December ! (we need a crying simley)

I tend to keep it back and use it as a fire brigade. Though it's nice to have a killer fighter group around its really to fragile (because of low aircraft replacement rate) to build a strategy around it.

IMHO its much wiser to spend time finding ways to get the RAF experience up so that they can shoot down the Japanese . Losing planes to the AVG may bother a Japanese player used to invincable zeros, but losing planes to massive numbers of Hurricane squadrons is game over for Japanese air superiority in Burma and China.

[wobbly]

Tom - extremely good point about the RAF experience - any pearls of wisdom as it is obviously very difficult to get the experience up with the Hurries when they have such short range. My current favourite way - and it is new to this version - is to downgrade them to Buffaloes and airfield attack some location that doesn't have defenses - then upgrade htem again when they get a bit more capable.

[racndoc]

Use the Hurricanes for CAP. Base the P-40Bs close to the airfield you want to protect and use them on LRCAP(so they dont get killed on the tarmac).

For offensive operations against A6M2s early war do bomber sweeps with 100 B-17s escorted by a squadron of Brewsters or Demons.

[Knavey]

ORIGINAL: AdmSpruance

Use the Hurricanes for CAP. Base the P-40Bs close to the airfield you want to protect and use them on LRCAP(so they dont get killed on the tarmac).

For offensive operations against A6M2s early war do bomber sweeps with 100 B-17s escorted by a squadron of Brewsters or Demons.

By bomber sweeps, I assume you mean bomb the crap outta their airfield?

[racndoc]

You will certainly score most of your A6M2 kills on the ground.....but the A2A action will kill/damage some Zeros and will increase fatigue and decrease morale. Plus the airfield hits will decrease Japanese ability to repair aircraft. With the new v1.6 rules heavy bombers like B-17s can hold their own when used in mass. You just need to escort them with some cannon fodder fighters so they dont fail their morale checks. Unfortunately Blenheims and Hudsons cant defend themselves very well so use P-40Bs when sending them in(hopefully against Oscar/Nates).

[1275psi]

ORIGINAL: wobbly

Tom - extremely good point about the RAF experience - any pearls of wisdom as it is obviously very difficult to get the experience up with the Hurries when they have such short range. My current favourite way - and it is new to this version - is to downgrade them to Buffaloes and airfield attack some location that doesn't have defenses - then upgrade htem again when they get a bit more capable.

Loose lips sink ships Wob mate -now I know what those buffalos are doing - and I can come up with a evil plan to wreck that idea
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