Initial Impressions of a Noob

[RUPD3658]

ORIGINAL: Gun Nut

If i'm not mistaken the MG3 is a remake of the old MG-42 but chambered for 7.62 Nato, and I imagine it still has that 1200 RPM hehe.

If I recall correctly the US M-60 is almost and exact copy of the MG 42.

[DuckofTindalos]

Yup! Just shoots slower...[;)]

[DuckofTindalos]

ORIGINAL: Gun Nut

You know what the Navy Seals say "You're not a navy seal until you tasted italian steel [:D]" That saying exsists cause it is known to blow up in your face I think there was 3 reported cases of it.

That was classified as a "teething problem", caused by weak materials used in the slide. That problem has since been rectified.

[Gun Nut]

Yeah you are right it is based on the same same system roller locking also has a upgraded belt feeding system taken from the 42, I heard the allies in ww2 tried to make a .30-06 mg-42 variant but I guess they only made a prototype and I only heard that once so it must be a myth.

[Gun Nut]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

That was classified as a "teething problem", caused by weak materials used in the slide. That problem has since been rectified.

Glocks still do it my buddies 19 just bought it brand new and the slide crack it's all the polymer junk! (Even though Beretta is steel still never wrote a explanation as to why it cracks etc.) That's why I like the Sig Sauer extremely accurate, never has a malfunction and if you ever fired the .357Sig round it is as deadly as a .357 mag if not more so. ammo is just so damn expensive I never plink with it very often, I have to stick with my .40 auto [:@]

[IBTyrone]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Erm, the Italians didn't have to pass the Maginot line, but the Alps on the Italian-French border...

I was wondering if someone was going to ask me to clarify that. I just read a book earlier this week that talked about how the French built a Maginot line-type defense on their border with Italy. I believe it was in "Italian Armored Vehicles
of World War Two" by Nicola Pignato since I just purchased it.

[DuckofTindalos]

Sure, they had fixed defences on the Franco-Italian border, but nothing on the order of the Maginot. Didn't need them, either, since they had the natural defences to help them out!

[steelpanther]

If I am not mistaken the quad .50s were strickly for AA and prohibited from firing at infantry by the Geneva convention. Also US doctrine prohibited it from firing at infantry it was an anti-equipment weapon, for use against lightly armored vehicles and such, but I know of instances were gunners were firing at infantry weapons and webgear (not the person) LOL

[DuckofTindalos]

The quad .50 were fired at infantry all the time. That's how it came by its nickname of the Meatchopper.

[Korpraali V]

I played PBEM Italy vs. Anzac and it was a draw. Summer 42 in North Africa, small map, little over 1000 points. Main reason for draw was that I had four 88's (yes, Italians have few of them!) that took out few Matildas and were able to slow the others. Tanks were useless against Matildas but against AC's they were ok. And 13,2mm HMG's...mmm....

Italy is not all bad [:-]
[;)]
[8D]

[DuckofTindalos]

No, just mostly bad![;)]

[IBTyrone]

ORIGINAL: Korpraali V


I played PBEM Italy vs. Anzac and it was a draw. Summer 42 in North Africa, small map, little over 1000 points. Main reason for draw was that I had four 88's (yes, Italians have few of them!) that took out few Matildas and were able to slow the others. Tanks were useless against Matildas but against AC's they were ok. And 13,2mm HMG's...mmm....

Italy is not all bad [:-]
[;)]
[8D]

Heh. I know Italy isn't all bad--otherwise I wouldn't play them. [;)]

That being said, try playing Italians without 88s or 90s against Matildas. Even Brit cruiser tanks pose a problem.

You're right, though, Italian tanks can mop up against British ACs--if they can keep up. And yes, the 13.2mgs were very nice. I've found them to be one of the most effective Italian infantry weapons out there. They just decimate opposing infantry and can really suppress enemy armor if used correctly.

[DuckofTindalos]

And if there aren't any Matildas, the Solothurn ATR can actually be quite effective.

[Major Destruction]

I heard a nasty rumour that the 13.2 was never used as an infantry weapon- only mounted on vehicles.

Recently read stories about the Tobruk siege; how the Australians would watch the Italians sowing mines, then go out at night, lift the mines and use them to patch gaps in the defensive minefield. After a while they got smart. They would watch the Italians sow half the minefield then at night go out and nick the unlaid mines (neatly stockpiled).

Many of the captured Italian guns in Tobruk were left abandoned with no sights. No problem! The Aussies would go out at night and steal sights from the Italian guns.

The big problem at this time was the Indians. They would also be out on patrol at night and sometimes come across patrols from other armies. If a quick search of the collar found the Australian brass collar badge the victim would be left with a pat on the shoulder and "all right Aussie" otherwise the victim would be quickly and silently dispatched. Nobody ever heard them come or go.

[DuckofTindalos]

Yeah... I have Osprey's Tobruk 1941, which is a very fine description of the Australian phase of the siege.

[Puukkoo]

Just today won with Italians the Brits. See my battle report at the AAR section.

I was however little disppointed with the battle, but that was because Col.Nicholson was probably the British commander.

[Korpraali V]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

No, just mostly bad![;)]

Ok, agreed. I don't want to fight with that (...with the Italians [;)] )

It is too true that without 90s and 88s their AT capability is close to zero. Few engineers and ardities can stop Matildas, if they are lucky... but not in desert situation with good visibility... If there are no Matildas, it is possible, but still hard job to do. And in PBEM I'd be fool if I wouldn't take at least few Matildas.

Matildas Italians

[IBTyrone]

ORIGINAL: Korpraali V

Matildas Italians

Nice summary of Italian AT capabilities there, Korpraali. [:D]

[IBTyrone]

ORIGINAL: Major Destruction

I heard a nasty rumour that the 13.2 was never used as an infantry weapon- only mounted on vehicles.

I think I have heard the same thing, Major. I know the MG42 was primarily a vehicle mounted weapon as was the .50 but we see them both used as infantry weapons in the game. One thing I will point out about the Italians that I know to be true is that the MGs that their early armor carried (6.5 and 8mm mgs) on the L3 tankettes included bipods mounted to the back of the tankette for mg use outside of the L3. That "feature" was discontinued in later versions of the L3. The 13.2 may have been used in fixed positions, but making it available as an infantry unit is a little gamey.

[DuckofTindalos]

Erm, the MG42 was NOT primarily a vehicle-mounted weapon. Where'd you hear that?[&:]