producing 0 food

[General Lee]

I apologize if this is a question thats already been answered somewhere in these forums. First off I have two problems. First off for some reason every once in a while during the battles sequences, in a quick battle my troops will automatically surrender, it will just speed through the placement. And the other, bigger problem is that for some reason, out of nowhere my cities will stop producing food, I don't mean less food I mean no food. Atfirst I thought maybe its because of Winter, but the most recent one was in July. This is causing MASSIVE DEATHS, im losing 22 russian civilians every month. This has happened several times but never to this extent. I also must mention that the labor allocation for food is all the way up, and yet 0 food.

[carnifex]

when the food shortage happens, what does it say in your economic report? is your food income zero or like in the image below, 269 or something?

[carnifex]

and if it's a number greater than zero, is it all being eaten perhaps?

[General Lee]

I had only looked at the development screen and the how much food would be made through labor allocation. Only a few cities, mostly my giant cities like moscow were making food for the whole nation and it just wasnt enough. I had about 64 cities. I will check that though and get back to you on it

[Naomi]

Waste set in.

[General Lee]

yeah what I dont get is it says that several trade routes are broken due to russian shortfalls.

[General Lee]

it says that waste is at 105%. that really sucks

[Naomi]

ORIGINAL: General Lee

it says that waste is at 105%. that really sucks

A case of my "wasted nation".

[General Lee]

so at 105% waste, its wasting everything the nation produces in a month? If so then whats the point of a large empire?

[Reiryc]

ORIGINAL: General Lee

so at 105% waste, its wasting everything the nation produces in a month? If so then whats the point of a large empire?

Well that's the point... Large empires are difficult to control. The game reflects this reality quite nicely with waste.

[Hard Sarge]

what verison you running ? 1, 1.1 ? try the open beta patch, we got ways to lower Waste in the latest patch

[Naomi]

In older versions, as far as I experienced, there was no waste in such magnitude as 105%. Let's forget old good days; a simple route to waste, I suggest, is to set newly conquered lands free, if you - like me - ever find decorating culture or courts a bit too time-consuming.

[mogami]

Hi, Also I think a single rebel (or enemy) unit is enough to halt all production in province

[General Lee]

Im using the 1.2 beta patch, and I understand that theres going to be waste but to the extent of everything going to waste, I thought that the whole point of the empire is to build a massive one, grab some Lebensraum.

[Naomi]

Empires, in COG, are little more than huge lump-sums of areas. It's hoped that, one day, Nappy'll play his role as he did 200 years ago in codifying and administering reforms to better manage (those evils in) his empire.

[General Lee]

ok then i guess i gotta get rid of vast amounts of my empire, what do any of you suggest I do?

[Azog]

First I would try to upgrade the courts. Somewhere it is posted, that when courts get to level "donowhat", the province doesnt count for waste. Or something like that. Try it.

[Naomi]

I'm short of ideas; I've got enough of my failure to keep my own house in order.

[Hard Sarge]

okay, first off, how many of these Provinces do you own that are protectorates ? those don't count for Waste

you need to build up your Courts to level 5, and then it does not count towards the total of provinces needed to get waste started

hassle is, you have already got a very bad waste going, so it will be HARD to start upgradeing

so, if you can, you should see about what Provinces you can make into Protectorates

if that does not get your waste to a level you can at least work with, then think about making some trades, offer them in treaties, make some friends by giving away lands

which, so saying, you want to get rid of a number of your backward provinces, Russia has a lot of them at start, Turkey does also

but overall, the next game you start, make sure you (if nothing else) slowly start building up your homeland, so it can support itself

for treaties, don't just make land grabs, get land you need, or want, for a reason, just land for land sake is not good

okay, here is a shot of my Nation, I have 111 Provinces

[ericbabe]

Here's the section from the version history regarding the new waste rules. In short, you need to keep up building courts/culture if you're planning to have an enormous empire:

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* NEW WASTE RULES *
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Waste is now a reduction in the amount of resources produced by provinces a nation controls. Waste is calculated based on the total number of provinces a player controls; provinces with Court developments at a level greater than or equal to 5 do not contribute toward waste. Waste is 3% per province controlled in excess of twenty provinces; so, for example, controlling 35 provinces results in a 45% loss of production due to waste: 45% = 3% x (35-20).

Province under protectorate do not contribute toward waste.

Provinces with Culture development levels greater than or equal to 5, and provinces with Courts greater than or equal to 7, are not affected at all by a nation's level of waste.


(In response to feedback I am planning to cap waste at 90% in the next build...)