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RE: Sho I-VI
Shinano was scrapped (halted), so instead two of these carriers were started earlier. Nothing weird for me.
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RE: Sho I-VI
If the acceleration had started in mid 42. I'd agree that it's unrealistic. Since they were accelerated (laid down earlier I assume) in Dec 41, I think this is very fair.
PzB - love this thread, the only AAR I read religiously. You've vanquished two opponents already, good luck with your third! You have a real grasp of the game that most pbem players, at least from the AAR's I browse, don't.
Learn the rules, pay attention to the details, strike hard and fast, victory will follow: the PzB playbook!
PzB - love this thread, the only AAR I read religiously. You've vanquished two opponents already, good luck with your third! You have a real grasp of the game that most pbem players, at least from the AAR's I browse, don't.
Learn the rules, pay attention to the details, strike hard and fast, victory will follow: the PzB playbook!
"I propose to fight it out on this line if it takes all summer."-Note sent with Congressman Washburne from Spotsylvania, May 11, 1864, to General Halleck. - General Ulysses S. Grant
RE: Sho I-VI
Thx for the kind words Brisd! [8D] I don't have too much time to spend on this AAR - some of the other threads are
works of art! [&o] I do try to update regularily though, and as far as I know not a single day has been missed thus far!-)
Interesting discussion.... I agree that the speed with which these carriers have been completed may seem a bit unrealistic!
From another point of view: the Japanese did order and cancel ships on a very frequent basis. Read this:
Another conversion, that of the Ibuki from an improved Mogami class
cruiser, also had a rough time of it. She was authorized under the 1941 program,
but shortly after her launching in May 1943, work on her was halted
for six months while authorities haggled with the possibility of reconverting her into a
fast oil tanker—much needed by the Japanese navy. The decision made, work renewed,
this time at a furious pace. Four of her eight boilers were pulled out and this space used for
the storage of fuel oil. A hangar and two elevators were installed, and a bridge was placed on
her starboard side. She was capable of 29 knots and could carry 27 aircraft. But work
stopped again, this time when the construction of small submarines took priority in the shipyards.
She was never finished; at the end of the war the Ibuki was scrapped.
As far as I am concerned the Ibuki would either have been completed as a much needed heavy cruiser in 1942-3 or as a light carrier
in late 1943. In the game she won't arrive until late 1944 at the earlierst - even if she is accelerated.
Five modifications of the Taiho class were ordered in the 1942 program, but none was laid down, owing to shortages and crowded shipyards.
(First Nos. 801 & 802 and then Nos. 5021 through 5025).
The Unryu class was originally intended to include seven ships. Two were never named and never laid down.
The game does not allow a successful Japanese player to order these ships or 'play around' with the historical 'cook book'.
It provides him with a free hand to use his resources to streamline production and finish the ships that were historically laid down at a
'furious pace' though [;)] This is an ok compromise if you ask me. We can play this game armed with the lessons of hindsight
and accelerate Japans carrier program as we know how valuable carriers are going to be.
I do feel that Japans shipping resources should be a bit more stretched though. I keep 400 transports in port in Japan even in 1943 as
I don't need em!? If I was faced with an acute lack of tonnage I would be more hesitant ordering carriers at the expense of cargo ships
that provides the life blood for the Empire.
The unfinished carrier 'Ibuki' after the war
Built by Kure Navy Yard.
Laid down 24 April 1942, launched 21 May 1943, construction suspended.
Converted to a light carrer at Sasebo Navy starting 11/1943, conversion abandoned 3/1945 when 80% complete.
Hulk scrapped 1947.
works of art! [&o] I do try to update regularily though, and as far as I know not a single day has been missed thus far!-)
Interesting discussion.... I agree that the speed with which these carriers have been completed may seem a bit unrealistic!
From another point of view: the Japanese did order and cancel ships on a very frequent basis. Read this:
Another conversion, that of the Ibuki from an improved Mogami class
cruiser, also had a rough time of it. She was authorized under the 1941 program,
but shortly after her launching in May 1943, work on her was halted
for six months while authorities haggled with the possibility of reconverting her into a
fast oil tanker—much needed by the Japanese navy. The decision made, work renewed,
this time at a furious pace. Four of her eight boilers were pulled out and this space used for
the storage of fuel oil. A hangar and two elevators were installed, and a bridge was placed on
her starboard side. She was capable of 29 knots and could carry 27 aircraft. But work
stopped again, this time when the construction of small submarines took priority in the shipyards.
She was never finished; at the end of the war the Ibuki was scrapped.
As far as I am concerned the Ibuki would either have been completed as a much needed heavy cruiser in 1942-3 or as a light carrier
in late 1943. In the game she won't arrive until late 1944 at the earlierst - even if she is accelerated.
Five modifications of the Taiho class were ordered in the 1942 program, but none was laid down, owing to shortages and crowded shipyards.
(First Nos. 801 & 802 and then Nos. 5021 through 5025).
The Unryu class was originally intended to include seven ships. Two were never named and never laid down.
The game does not allow a successful Japanese player to order these ships or 'play around' with the historical 'cook book'.
It provides him with a free hand to use his resources to streamline production and finish the ships that were historically laid down at a
'furious pace' though [;)] This is an ok compromise if you ask me. We can play this game armed with the lessons of hindsight
and accelerate Japans carrier program as we know how valuable carriers are going to be.
I do feel that Japans shipping resources should be a bit more stretched though. I keep 400 transports in port in Japan even in 1943 as
I don't need em!? If I was faced with an acute lack of tonnage I would be more hesitant ordering carriers at the expense of cargo ships
that provides the life blood for the Empire.
The unfinished carrier 'Ibuki' after the war
Built by Kure Navy Yard.
Laid down 24 April 1942, launched 21 May 1943, construction suspended.
Converted to a light carrer at Sasebo Navy starting 11/1943, conversion abandoned 3/1945 when 80% complete.
Hulk scrapped 1947.
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RE: Sho I-VI
Speaking of Taiho, when does she arrive? Did you accelerate her as well? And what about the Chitose/Chiyoda? Did you convert them?
Fear the kitten!
RE: Sho I-VI
Where did you get those picks? I am always looking for good websites with pics of Japanese ships. Especially ones in combat or with battle damage. Thanks. Keep up the good work PZB, I have been following this since the Wobbly days!
"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem."
RE: Sho I-VI
Aye I guess it just seemed weird to me accelerating those makes a big deal in 43 and that is a massive acceleration from mid 42 I guess its a lot lower acceleration assuming they were actually laid down in 41....... guess it compensates for the poor acceleration of aircraft !!!!
RE: Sho I-VI
Irrelevant: The Taiho arrived in March 43 and has already been in combat. Great ship [8D]
The Chitose and Chioyda were accelerated on 1/1-43 and will arrive in ca 30 days.
Soon there will be 20 cv/cvl and cve's in the Imperial Navy!
I search for pics on the net Skrewball, usually the same old ones that pop up but still the occasional 'new one'.
Here's a good link for you:
http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carrier ... .htm#amag2
This one also contains some special - but poor quality pics:
http://www.history.navy.mil/download/car-11.pdf
Yes, carriers are all vital. I'm going to hold a substantially stronger hand in late 43/early 44 than the Japs historically did.
Ken will still be able to field superior force and quality - but if he stumbles it will be very difficult to invade
Japan before the end of this game.
A rare color picture of 2 unfinished Jap WWII carriers: Ibuki and Kasagi
The Chitose and Chioyda were accelerated on 1/1-43 and will arrive in ca 30 days.
Soon there will be 20 cv/cvl and cve's in the Imperial Navy!
I search for pics on the net Skrewball, usually the same old ones that pop up but still the occasional 'new one'.
Here's a good link for you:
http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carrier ... .htm#amag2
This one also contains some special - but poor quality pics:
http://www.history.navy.mil/download/car-11.pdf
Yes, carriers are all vital. I'm going to hold a substantially stronger hand in late 43/early 44 than the Japs historically did.
Ken will still be able to field superior force and quality - but if he stumbles it will be very difficult to invade
Japan before the end of this game.
A rare color picture of 2 unfinished Jap WWII carriers: Ibuki and Kasagi
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"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
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RE: Sho I-VI
Ken has sent out his subs again - but most of my ASW groups are in place and will try to
hunt them down. 2 seaplane tenders and 6 destroyers will assist. Let's see what we can achieve.
B-17's recon'ed Paramushiro Jima today. Got 9 Zero's and 9 Dinah III's there. Sending more search
planes and a scout sub to prevent surprises.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/20/43
Air Combat
I was planning an Army AF strike on Port Moresby and had assembled 130 Sallys and 60
Zero's at Hansa. Somehow half of my bombers were on naval attack instead of naval search.
So they took off and hit a bunch of transports... Enemy CAP was low - the reason why I planned
a strike - so losses were light. Unfortunately the strike now has to be cancelled as Ken will increase
the local CAP.
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Day Air attack on TF, near Port Moresby at 53,91
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 58
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Allied Ships
AK Johanne Justesen, Bomb hits 1
AK Algorab, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Lesuth, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AK Azimech
Aircraft Attacking:
All Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Port Moresby at 53,91
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 26
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 damaged
Allied Ships
AK Algorab, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK Johanne Justesen, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AK Lesuth, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
All Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
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Carrier Program
This is how the carrier program looks like. The last 3 Unryu's will arrive in about a year.
The Ibuki will be accelerated as soon as the Chitose is ready.
hunt them down. 2 seaplane tenders and 6 destroyers will assist. Let's see what we can achieve.
B-17's recon'ed Paramushiro Jima today. Got 9 Zero's and 9 Dinah III's there. Sending more search
planes and a scout sub to prevent surprises.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/20/43
Air Combat
I was planning an Army AF strike on Port Moresby and had assembled 130 Sallys and 60
Zero's at Hansa. Somehow half of my bombers were on naval attack instead of naval search.
So they took off and hit a bunch of transports... Enemy CAP was low - the reason why I planned
a strike - so losses were light. Unfortunately the strike now has to be cancelled as Ken will increase
the local CAP.
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Day Air attack on TF, near Port Moresby at 53,91
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 58
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Allied Ships
AK Johanne Justesen, Bomb hits 1
AK Algorab, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Lesuth, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AK Azimech
Aircraft Attacking:
All Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Port Moresby at 53,91
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 26
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 damaged
Allied Ships
AK Algorab, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK Johanne Justesen, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AK Lesuth, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
All Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
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Carrier Program
This is how the carrier program looks like. The last 3 Unryu's will arrive in about a year.
The Ibuki will be accelerated as soon as the Chitose is ready.
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RE: Sho I-VI
PzB, well actually a lot more Unryu's were planned.
Those completed are: Amagi, Katsuragi, Unryu
Those launched but not completed are: Aso, Ikoma, Kasagi
Those planned but never started: Kurama and 10 additional not named
BTW, great AAR. I enjoy your type of reporting your actions. This is my 95% of my ideal AAR (only thing i suggest to change is deleting the altitudes of attacking planes)
I must confess that at first i paid more attention to Wobbly/ADavidB ones simply because I like reading more about defending in hopless position. Now when it's time to Nomad's offensive i switched sides, and now you've got all my support. Remember: I count on you
Those completed are: Amagi, Katsuragi, Unryu
Those launched but not completed are: Aso, Ikoma, Kasagi
Those planned but never started: Kurama and 10 additional not named
BTW, great AAR. I enjoy your type of reporting your actions. This is my 95% of my ideal AAR (only thing i suggest to change is deleting the altitudes of attacking planes)
I must confess that at first i paid more attention to Wobbly/ADavidB ones simply because I like reading more about defending in hopless position. Now when it's time to Nomad's offensive i switched sides, and now you've got all my support. Remember: I count on you
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RE: Sho I-VI
Thx Monter [8D] I knew there were plans for at least another 11 Unryuys...didn't know
the name Kurama had been assigned though! That was the name of an old Dreadnought battleships, right!?
Too bad I can't order it...lots of new shipyards in India that are idle.
So your support means I'm in for a very hard time in other words [;)] Nice to have you onboard!
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/21/43
Sub/ASW Attacks
The Makassar Strait is a death trap for enemy subs!
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ASW attack at 34,63
Japanese Ships
PC Ch 4
PC Sonan Maru #6
DD Tachikaze
DD Hakaze
DD Yudachi
DD Hayashio
Allied Ships
SS Salmon, hits 9, on fire, heavy damage *sinks*
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the name Kurama had been assigned though! That was the name of an old Dreadnought battleships, right!?
Too bad I can't order it...lots of new shipyards in India that are idle.
So your support means I'm in for a very hard time in other words [;)] Nice to have you onboard!
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/21/43
Sub/ASW Attacks
The Makassar Strait is a death trap for enemy subs!
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ASW attack at 34,63
Japanese Ships
PC Ch 4
PC Sonan Maru #6
DD Tachikaze
DD Hakaze
DD Yudachi
DD Hayashio
Allied Ships
SS Salmon, hits 9, on fire, heavy damage *sinks*
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"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
RE: Sho I-VI
It's possible that we will try to upgrade to V1.7 - but I'm still afraid that 2-3 of my crack divisions will go awol! [8|]
Transferred numerous Zero, Tojo, Val and Kate units from their training bases in China to Shanghai and Hong Kong.
The best units, including carrier air groups will be held back in reserve while most of the Army fighters and some Zero's
will be moved to the frontline. Rabaul and the surrounding bases are screaming for reinforcements...
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/22/43
Sub/ASW Attacks
Ken is finding my asw efforts so effective that he says he will give them up altogether...
It's possible that asw weapons (before V1.7 comes out at least) are too efficient - BUT I said that most of the Allied
subs have been lost in shallow water hexes and narrow straits protected by numerous asw ac and asw tf's.
First Truk and then the Makassar Strait proved to be potent killing grounds for Jap asw forces.
Let's see whether Ken gives up or tries a more sublte approach.
Transferred numerous Zero, Tojo, Val and Kate units from their training bases in China to Shanghai and Hong Kong.
The best units, including carrier air groups will be held back in reserve while most of the Army fighters and some Zero's
will be moved to the frontline. Rabaul and the surrounding bases are screaming for reinforcements...
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/22/43
Sub/ASW Attacks
Ken is finding my asw efforts so effective that he says he will give them up altogether...
It's possible that asw weapons (before V1.7 comes out at least) are too efficient - BUT I said that most of the Allied
subs have been lost in shallow water hexes and narrow straits protected by numerous asw ac and asw tf's.
First Truk and then the Makassar Strait proved to be potent killing grounds for Jap asw forces.
Let's see whether Ken gives up or tries a more sublte approach.
"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
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RE: Sho I-VI
with 1.7 probably any serious ASW attempt made by the Japs will be useless...the air-asw will probably be the only way to go for the japs
RE: Sho I-VI
Hm, that doesn't sound like much fun...but Ken's not having much fun with his subs either.
It all depends on whether my divisions will go AWOL while upgrading to V1.7 through V1.6.
I don't want anything of that!
Ken sent me a picture of a 'mystery TF' sailing unscatched past Gili Gili - says he can't thouch it
and it is ID'd as AG/CA/BBs. It's really a small tf of sinking barges that are testing enemy air defenses in the
area... [:D]
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/23/43
Nothing much to report today - a light carrier and a battleship have finished their upgrades in Tokyo.
Thought we could look at the defenses in the DEI today:
Balikpapan has become the home base for the 23rd Army and the DEI Fleet.
As you can see from the map Balikpapan is the most suitably placed base in the area - aircraft and ships from this base
can reach any base in the DEI and Northern New Guinea within a couple of days. Even better: it's completely out of enemy range.
Balikpapan 4(1) 4(1) 9 forts
265 air support (Under the 21st Air Flotilla)
40k supplies
100k fuel
The 31st, 18th and 5th divisions are based here together with closer to 100 transports and cargo ships and escorts.
For now the following ac are stationed at Balikpapan: (A 100 trained Bettys will be transferred in together with 27 Zeros shortly)
27 Vals
27 Sallys
9 Kates
60 transports
At Kendari there are another 115 fighters with another 70 at Timor. Most of the other bases in the area have been expanded and equipped
to support medium bombers.
The DEI Fleet consists of:
2 battleships (Hyuga and Yamashiro)
4 escort carriers
2 seaplane tenders
3 heavy cruisers
3 light cruisers
30 destroyers
1 sub
This force should be able to delay an enemy invasion long enough to enable the rest of the Combined Fleet to sortie and intercept.
Situation map: the Dutch East Indies (DEI)
It all depends on whether my divisions will go AWOL while upgrading to V1.7 through V1.6.
I don't want anything of that!
Ken sent me a picture of a 'mystery TF' sailing unscatched past Gili Gili - says he can't thouch it
and it is ID'd as AG/CA/BBs. It's really a small tf of sinking barges that are testing enemy air defenses in the
area... [:D]
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/23/43
Nothing much to report today - a light carrier and a battleship have finished their upgrades in Tokyo.
Thought we could look at the defenses in the DEI today:
Balikpapan has become the home base for the 23rd Army and the DEI Fleet.
As you can see from the map Balikpapan is the most suitably placed base in the area - aircraft and ships from this base
can reach any base in the DEI and Northern New Guinea within a couple of days. Even better: it's completely out of enemy range.
Balikpapan 4(1) 4(1) 9 forts
265 air support (Under the 21st Air Flotilla)
40k supplies
100k fuel
The 31st, 18th and 5th divisions are based here together with closer to 100 transports and cargo ships and escorts.
For now the following ac are stationed at Balikpapan: (A 100 trained Bettys will be transferred in together with 27 Zeros shortly)
27 Vals
27 Sallys
9 Kates
60 transports
At Kendari there are another 115 fighters with another 70 at Timor. Most of the other bases in the area have been expanded and equipped
to support medium bombers.
The DEI Fleet consists of:
2 battleships (Hyuga and Yamashiro)
4 escort carriers
2 seaplane tenders
3 heavy cruisers
3 light cruisers
30 destroyers
1 sub
This force should be able to delay an enemy invasion long enough to enable the rest of the Combined Fleet to sortie and intercept.
Situation map: the Dutch East Indies (DEI)
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RE: Sho I-VI
Large number of trained carrier ac are now being sent to Truk and Tokyo for embarkation.
The carriers have only had 75% of the maximum load of ac in their holds over the last few months.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/24/43
Air Combat
Ken has been bombing the Admirality Islands with heavies from PM for a while now.
I don't have many ac there, but decided to make the milk runs a bit more expensive.
10 B-17s were brought down today.
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Day Air attack on Admiralty Islands , at 58,84
Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 7
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 10
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 9
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 21
B-24D Liberator x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 1 damaged
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 4 damaged
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 7 destroyed, 7 damaged
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A rather heavy medium bomber attack on Green Island destroyed 6 ac on the ground.
Day Air attack on Green Island , at 63,89
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 60
Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 3 destroyed
E7K2 Alf: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 6 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 27
Aircraft Attacking:
45 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
15 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
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US evaluates 'Tojo'
The new Army interceptor - the 'Tojo' has been a success and the USAAF has examine a captured ac.
In 6 months the even more formidable' George' will be entering production!
The carriers have only had 75% of the maximum load of ac in their holds over the last few months.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/24/43
Air Combat
Ken has been bombing the Admirality Islands with heavies from PM for a while now.
I don't have many ac there, but decided to make the milk runs a bit more expensive.
10 B-17s were brought down today.
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Day Air attack on Admiralty Islands , at 58,84
Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 7
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 10
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 9
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 21
B-24D Liberator x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 1 damaged
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 4 damaged
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 7 destroyed, 7 damaged
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A rather heavy medium bomber attack on Green Island destroyed 6 ac on the ground.
Day Air attack on Green Island , at 63,89
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 60
Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 3 destroyed
E7K2 Alf: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 6 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 27
Aircraft Attacking:
45 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
15 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet
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US evaluates 'Tojo'
The new Army interceptor - the 'Tojo' has been a success and the USAAF has examine a captured ac.
In 6 months the even more formidable' George' will be entering production!
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RE: Sho I-VI
ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner
with 1.7 probably any serious ASW attempt made by the Japs will be useless...the air-asw will probably be the only way to go for the japs
I'd have thought so too, but funnily enough all three direct ship-to-sub ASW hits I've seen after patching have been on US subs. Go figure...
We are all dreams of the Giant Space Butterfly.
RE: Sho I-VI
Guess no one are crazy enough to use Jap subs anymore [:'(]
Here is a cut from a web site which illustrates how the Me-109 led to the design of the Hi-61 Hien (Tony)
Here is a cut from a web site which illustrates how the Me-109 led to the design of the Hi-61 Hien (Tony)
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RE: Sho I-VI
Another couple of quiet turns. Lots of air attacks in the Solomons and on Lae, but the attacks
on Timor and the Admiralty islands have stopped. Ken is also hinting that an offensive isn't far away.
I don't think it will be a major one, a limited island stepping operation in the Marshalls or Solomons or perhaps
an advance against Salamua and Lae are the most likely targets. Gasmata has also been reconed heavily, but that
would be almost too bold...
Not sure what reaction would be suitable, guess I just have to wait and see what happends. I'm not too keen on
challenging a large force of enemy LBA with the Combined Fleet.
Reinforcements just arrived at Truk from China - all with very high exp levels:
72 Tojo
125 Zeros
Another 36 Oscar IIs and another 130 Zeros are also enroute via the Marianas and the carrier TF that left Tokyo
a few days ago (Junyo, Hiyo and Katsuragi). 72 Oscar IIs, 9 Bettys and 9 Kates have been sent to Shikka and northern
Japan. I'm going to upgrade the defenses in the north gradually.
With these units in place the defensive of the Marshalls, Solomons, New Guinea and the DEI is ready.
There are now 2600 political points available! I need 3600 to release a large crack division from China and another 1600
for the 2nd Armoured Division. There are also 3 smaller SNLF units that needs 'shifting'. The armoured division will go last as
its slated for the Phillippines.
The Kaga is only days away from Shanghai, still at 80 sys damage. A Kongo class battleship is enroute to a major
yard in Japan for upgrades together with 4 destroyers (due for their 06/43 upgrade). From now on it will be possible to
rotate 1 or 2 major fleet units to Japan for upgrades - this is the best way to keep the fleet ready and at the same time as
potent as possible.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/25/43
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/26/43
on Timor and the Admiralty islands have stopped. Ken is also hinting that an offensive isn't far away.
I don't think it will be a major one, a limited island stepping operation in the Marshalls or Solomons or perhaps
an advance against Salamua and Lae are the most likely targets. Gasmata has also been reconed heavily, but that
would be almost too bold...
Not sure what reaction would be suitable, guess I just have to wait and see what happends. I'm not too keen on
challenging a large force of enemy LBA with the Combined Fleet.
Reinforcements just arrived at Truk from China - all with very high exp levels:
72 Tojo
125 Zeros
Another 36 Oscar IIs and another 130 Zeros are also enroute via the Marianas and the carrier TF that left Tokyo
a few days ago (Junyo, Hiyo and Katsuragi). 72 Oscar IIs, 9 Bettys and 9 Kates have been sent to Shikka and northern
Japan. I'm going to upgrade the defenses in the north gradually.
With these units in place the defensive of the Marshalls, Solomons, New Guinea and the DEI is ready.
There are now 2600 political points available! I need 3600 to release a large crack division from China and another 1600
for the 2nd Armoured Division. There are also 3 smaller SNLF units that needs 'shifting'. The armoured division will go last as
its slated for the Phillippines.
The Kaga is only days away from Shanghai, still at 80 sys damage. A Kongo class battleship is enroute to a major
yard in Japan for upgrades together with 4 destroyers (due for their 06/43 upgrade). From now on it will be possible to
rotate 1 or 2 major fleet units to Japan for upgrades - this is the best way to keep the fleet ready and at the same time as
potent as possible.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/25/43
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/26/43
"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
RE: Sho I-VI
Moved 72 Tojos and 20 Zeros to Rabaul to boost the defenses there as the last
large scale raids reduced them. There are now closer to 200 fighters in place.
When the carriers I sent from Japan a few days ago arrives at Truk I will attempt
to provide them with a suitable ac complement. It's important to utilize their capacity
to the maximum. Additional Zeros and Kates will be assigned to augment their capacity
to 115%.
Strangely I received 3 A6M5 Zekes yesterday [&:] I don't produce anyone yet and the
replacement pool showed a '-3' number. Strange..the ac were assigned to the Taiho which
lost 7 ac in her previous engagements.
In India a large Brigade landed at Chandpur. The defense of this area now consists of 2
large 300 squad Brigades at Diamond Harbour and Changsa + a full division at Calcutta.
This division can reinforce potential landings in both of these bases and with 9 forts it will
be a difficult nut to crack. In all I'm feeling pretty confident in India, all I need is a mobile
reserve at Bangalore. In time I will try to put something together.
The weakest spot in my defensive perimeter can be found in the Solomons and on New Guinea.
This is very difficult to put right because of Allied LBA...the darned bombers can reduce supplies
and troops to ashes in a few weeks and there is nothing I can do about it. A fast reaction force
is the only solution as far as I can see! But is it worth to sacrifice destroyers and cruisers to delay
the capture of the southernmost bases?
What do the rest of you think?
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/27/43
Invasions
Still a few Allied 'dot islands' around - decided to capture them with a small
NLF unit.
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TF 54 troops unloading over beach at Nicobar Island, 21,38
Japanese ground losses:
78 casualties reported
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Ground Combat
Ground combat at Nicobar Island
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 597 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 14 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Nicobar Island base !!!
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/28/43
Invasions
A small Marine Raider Detachment from a sub landed on Buin today.
I am expecting an invasion in this area, so the next few turns should
be interesting!
Coastal Guns at Buin, 64,92, firing at TF 1144
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TF 1144 encounters mine field at Buin (64,92)
TF 1144 troops unloading over beach at Buin, 64,92
Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Buin
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 5785 troops, 16 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 20 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
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Air Combat
I told Ken that he had scaled down his air attacks...so he turned them
back on again today with a few modest raids. Here are a few of them:
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Day Air attack on Gasmata , at 59,90
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 28
B-25J Mitchell x 44
Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 2 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 50
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Day Air attack on Buka , at 63,90
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 57
Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed
Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 23
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Day Air attack on Shortlands , at 63,93
Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 9
B-25J Mitchell x 54
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 23
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large scale raids reduced them. There are now closer to 200 fighters in place.
When the carriers I sent from Japan a few days ago arrives at Truk I will attempt
to provide them with a suitable ac complement. It's important to utilize their capacity
to the maximum. Additional Zeros and Kates will be assigned to augment their capacity
to 115%.
Strangely I received 3 A6M5 Zekes yesterday [&:] I don't produce anyone yet and the
replacement pool showed a '-3' number. Strange..the ac were assigned to the Taiho which
lost 7 ac in her previous engagements.
In India a large Brigade landed at Chandpur. The defense of this area now consists of 2
large 300 squad Brigades at Diamond Harbour and Changsa + a full division at Calcutta.
This division can reinforce potential landings in both of these bases and with 9 forts it will
be a difficult nut to crack. In all I'm feeling pretty confident in India, all I need is a mobile
reserve at Bangalore. In time I will try to put something together.
The weakest spot in my defensive perimeter can be found in the Solomons and on New Guinea.
This is very difficult to put right because of Allied LBA...the darned bombers can reduce supplies
and troops to ashes in a few weeks and there is nothing I can do about it. A fast reaction force
is the only solution as far as I can see! But is it worth to sacrifice destroyers and cruisers to delay
the capture of the southernmost bases?
What do the rest of you think?
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/27/43
Invasions
Still a few Allied 'dot islands' around - decided to capture them with a small
NLF unit.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TF 54 troops unloading over beach at Nicobar Island, 21,38
Japanese ground losses:
78 casualties reported
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Ground Combat
Ground combat at Nicobar Island
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 597 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 14 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Nicobar Island base !!!
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/28/43
Invasions
A small Marine Raider Detachment from a sub landed on Buin today.
I am expecting an invasion in this area, so the next few turns should
be interesting!
Coastal Guns at Buin, 64,92, firing at TF 1144
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TF 1144 encounters mine field at Buin (64,92)
TF 1144 troops unloading over beach at Buin, 64,92
Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Buin
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 5785 troops, 16 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 20 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Air Combat
I told Ken that he had scaled down his air attacks...so he turned them
back on again today with a few modest raids. Here are a few of them:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Gasmata , at 59,90
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 28
B-25J Mitchell x 44
Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 2 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 50
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Day Air attack on Buka , at 63,90
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 57
Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed
Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 23
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Day Air attack on Shortlands , at 63,93
Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 9
B-25J Mitchell x 54
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 23
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"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
RE: Sho I-VI
I've noticed that the mines I place in harbours like Rabaul dissappear at
an alarmingly rapid rate [:(] There were 5000+ mines at Rabaul 4 months
ago and now there are little more than 500...(
Not good at all!
Prepared a few surprise attacks for Ken today....will tell you whether it
was a good idea or not tomorrow [;)]
Since I was in such a creative mood today I also dispatched 4 long range subs.
They will mine ports all over the Pacific including the US West Coast.
16 more days until substantial ship, air and land reinforcements arrive!
That should give me something to do.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/29/43
Subs landed enemy recon troops all over Bougainville and Gasmata today.
It's obvious that landings are imminent.... I will continue to be patient.
Landings
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Coastal Guns at Torokina, 63,92, firing at TF 1111
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TF 1111 encounters mine field at Torokina (63,92)
TF 1111 troops unloading over beach at Torokina, 63,92
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Coastal Guns at Buka, 63,90, firing at TF 1167
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TF 1167 encounters mine field at Buka (63,90)
TF 1167 troops unloading over beach at Buka, 63,90
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Coastal Guns at Gasmata, 59,90, firing at TF 1163
TF 1163 troops unloading over beach at Gasmata, 59,90
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Ground Combat
Ground combat at Buin
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 5725 troops, 16 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 20 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 30 to 1
Japanese ground losses:
39 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Buka
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 1482 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 20 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
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Ground combat at Torokina
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 2145 troops, 7 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 40 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
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Ground combat at Gasmata
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 2668 troops, 13 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 40 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
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an alarmingly rapid rate [:(] There were 5000+ mines at Rabaul 4 months
ago and now there are little more than 500...(
Not good at all!
Prepared a few surprise attacks for Ken today....will tell you whether it
was a good idea or not tomorrow [;)]
Since I was in such a creative mood today I also dispatched 4 long range subs.
They will mine ports all over the Pacific including the US West Coast.
16 more days until substantial ship, air and land reinforcements arrive!
That should give me something to do.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/29/43
Subs landed enemy recon troops all over Bougainville and Gasmata today.
It's obvious that landings are imminent.... I will continue to be patient.
Landings
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Coastal Guns at Torokina, 63,92, firing at TF 1111
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TF 1111 encounters mine field at Torokina (63,92)
TF 1111 troops unloading over beach at Torokina, 63,92
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Coastal Guns at Buka, 63,90, firing at TF 1167
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TF 1167 encounters mine field at Buka (63,90)
TF 1167 troops unloading over beach at Buka, 63,90
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Coastal Guns at Gasmata, 59,90, firing at TF 1163
TF 1163 troops unloading over beach at Gasmata, 59,90
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Ground Combat
Ground combat at Buin
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 5725 troops, 16 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 20 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 30 to 1
Japanese ground losses:
39 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Buka
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 1482 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 20 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
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Ground combat at Torokina
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 2145 troops, 7 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 40 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ground combat at Gasmata
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 2668 troops, 13 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 40 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
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"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
RE: Sho I-VI
ORIGINAL: PzB
The weakest spot in my defensive perimeter can be found in the Solomons and on New Guinea.
This is very difficult to put right because of Allied LBA...the darned bombers can reduce supplies
and troops to ashes in a few weeks and there is nothing I can do about it. A fast reaction force
is the only solution as far as I can see! But is it worth to sacrifice destroyers and cruisers to delay
the capture of the southernmost bases?
What do the rest of you think?
Well, it depends. Solomons are undefendable, but you can choose active defence (from UV days i know that this can be succesful - from other players, not me[:'(]). On the other hand, if you lose Solomons, only resonable path for future allied advance is through northen NG (Truk is pretty far away from Solomons. He can reach you with heavies from there, but he can do it elsewhere). Building and supplying those bases will take time and i think Allies can be suprised there. But, some kind of "active" defence is, IMO neccesary.
