Will she sink?

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You can offload aircraft if docked in a >1 sized port BUT you also need an airfield of size 1 or greater. I'll bet you tried to offload the planes where there was no airfield.
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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

You can offload aircraft if docked in a >1 sized port BUT you also need an airfield of size 1 or greater. I'll bet you tried to offload the planes where there was no airfield.


This was asked before - there supposedly is an airfield there. He said ship was scuttled at Canton Island, and there is an airfield there from day 1 (at least in standard map/game).
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In real life, the German battlecruiser Seidlitz at the end of Jutland:
When we reported this encounter by W/T, bright sparks flashed all over our rigging because torn wires touched the improvised aerials when the ship heeled over. At dawn, neither the Horns Reef light vessel nor any other ship was in sight. Suddenly our stern wave rose high, a sign of shallow water. Before my order "Full speed astern" could take effect our bows scrapped over the sea bottom, but soon the water became deeper again. A buoy gave us our position, and at the lightship we got in touch was the rest of our fleet, the light cruiser SMS Pillau being detached to pilot us to the Jade river. Now a dogged fight to save the vessel began. The entire forecastle was riddled like a sieve. Through rents, holes, leaky seams and rivets water entered one room after the other until only the forward torpedo flat could be held. The big "swimming bladder" gave the forward part of the ship just enough buoyancy. But she was so much down by the bows that the sea started getting into the forward casemates. Their covers were destroyed or bent, and the wood for shoring up leaks was somewhere under the forecastle. We used everything we could get our hands on, mess tables, benches, eventually even the empty shelves from the shell-rooms to the dismay of the head gunner.

Quite a few compartments had to be kept clear by incessant bailing over a period of two days. Some bulkheads had to be watched carefully and shored up again from time to time. The whole ship's company was kept busy, and so sleep was possible only in snatches. Late on June 1, pump steamers arrived but so also did a stiff breeze from the north-west. We were off Heligoland then, with a list of eight degrees and very little stability, and could proceed at no more than three or four knots whether going ahead bows first or stern first, which we did part of the time. When seas started breaking over the waist, the Pillau made a lee on our starboard bow, and a tug laid an oil-slick. That helped until the wind abated. We could not have stood a heavy gale.

On June 2, we anchored near the Jade light vessel to wait for the tide, for we drew 47 1/2 forward against 30 feet amidships under normal conditions. But we made it and arrived in the early morning of June 3 off Wilhelmshaven locks, where we were welcomed by hurrahs from the crews of the battleships anchored there. The Seydlitz had been hit by 21 heavy shells and one torpedo, lost 98 men killed and 55 injured and had four heavy and two medium guns put out of action.

Cut and pasted from http://www.gwpda.org/naval/jut01.htm. What is glossed over (a little) is that the ship had to enter port stern first to avoid collapsing the bulkheads in the forward compartments.
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What is glossed over (a little) is that the ship had to enter port stern first to avoid collapsing the bulkheads in the forward compartments.

That was the problem!! RUPD3658 forgot to sail the CV in reverse!!![:'(][:D]
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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
What is glossed over (a little) is that the ship had to enter port stern first to avoid collapsing the bulkheads in the forward compartments.

That was the problem!! RUPD3658 forgot to sail the CV in reverse!!![:'(][:D]

Here is the Enterprise sailing in reverse. (Astern?) See, appointing the proper CO saves the ship! That is why so many folks get upset over the leader bug!


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ORIGINAL: mlees

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
What is glossed over (a little) is that the ship had to enter port stern first to avoid collapsing the bulkheads in the forward compartments.

That was the problem!! RUPD3658 forgot to sail the CV in reverse!!![:'(][:D]

Here is the Enterprise sailing in reverse. (Astern?) See, appointing the proper CO saves the ship! That is why so many folks get upset over the leader bug!


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This is a little known reason that the Big E survived the war!! Not only did sailing in reverse help her damage control, but the enemy bombers would lead her with bombs and torpedoes, and since she was sailing in reverse, they would pass in front of her bow!![:D][:'(][:'(][8|]
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ORIGINAL: RUPD3658

After nearly 10 days of trying to save the ship the Lexington was scuttled with 95 floatation damage (up from 84 2 days before) and is now serving as an artificial reef at Canton Island. Before she passed beneath the waves her replacement was commisioned and should arrive in 545 days.

Lessons learned:

1. PBEM oppanants are not as dumb as the AI.
2. Do not use fulls speed when sinking
3. A/C can not be off loaded with more than 50 sys/float damage even when docked in port.
4. Alleid damage control is not perfect.


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Early on, get those engineers out fast and expand out the outlying Islands Ports!

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